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Hey everyone, I'm mainly posting this for a friend

Said friend is making a Chaos army, and has about 500 pts (10 CSM, 5 Termies)

He's now trying to get Abaddon as his HQ... now there's no denying he's powerful but doesn't it seem ridiculous to have him in such a small army?

Personally I have a little over 3k points and I only have Kharn, Typhus, and a Daemon Prince.

And then I'll show him this thread, hopefully it'll change his mind and he'll get some more troops or something instead

-Dess

Yeah at only 10 troops he could definitely use more troops. Abaddona only really makes sense above a 2000 pt. game. If he wants something fun and heavy hitting with an insane amount of attacks or possibilty anyways tell him to use a Khorne Chaos Lord with DW. More likely to hurt himself but fun when you get those 15 or 16 attacks.

Honestly at least to me Abaddon doesnt make sence at all. I've played against him before and just poped him with plasma guns or a terminator squad in close combat. He never made his points back.

zeekill wrote:Honestly at least to me Abaddon doesnt make sence at all. I've played against him before and just poped him with plasma guns or a terminator squad in close combat. He never made his points back.

At the same time that could be pretty useful in a small game. Something as big as Abaddon is going to draw a lot of fire. And in a small game missing shooting at important things with your good guns even for just a turn or two could be very relevant.

275 pts. in a small game does not make sense. Land Raiders are more effective in small games than Abaddon. To have Abaddon on the field you need at least a LR and a squad of fearless troops with him. Termies squad with Abaddon are going to run because they get shot from a distance and inflict enough unsaved wounds they could run. No one wants to watch a 275 pt model get scared off the table.

It's your friend's army. If he wants to use Abbaddon, there is nothing stopping him. He may find that he likes Abbaddon regardless of the size game, and may learn a few things about the game at the same time.

whitedragon wrote:It's your friend's army. If he wants to use Abbaddon, there is nothing stopping him. He may find that he likes Abbaddon regardless of the size game, and may learn a few things about the game at the same time.

if you were using him to draw fire, you wouldn't put other stuff on him.


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Vindicator#9 wrote:275 pts. in a small game does not make sense. Land Raiders are more effective in small games than Abaddon. To have Abaddon on the field you need at least a LR and a squad of fearless troops with him. Termies squad with Abaddon are going to run because they get shot from a distance and inflict enough unsaved wounds they could run. No one wants to watch a 275 pt model get scared off the table.

If you were using him to draw fire, you wouldn't attach other stuff to him. The whole idea is your opponent would be taking shots at him instead of other things


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I'm not saying this is the best idea, and if you were going to go this route you better have a plan for it. I'm just saying this is how I would use him in a small game.

my nephew has the same problem. he has 2x 10man squad,dread,5 termies and abaddon. rushes him in with the termies, as hes killing a tactical squad i put in front of him as bait, I just out manover him, charge his lines. all he cares about it watching abaddon rack up a body count. by the time hes done Ive killed at least 2 other unitsand or his dread. Then all he has left is a rock hard unit to far away to do anything.

Abaddon is a pretty bad idea normally, let alone at that small a count. He's probably gonna need more plebes. Having said that, if he wants to try it, it's his army. Good luck to him.

Well I'm just saying if he does get him then we'll be playing like an 800 pt game (random I know)

I could just have a Pred with an LC build and some Havocs just try and pop him before he gets too close

And then if he does get too close, I can just use my Daemon Prince to hopefully finish him in CC

Then again I play Chaos as well and we plan on teaming up at our lgs, so maybe I could use him

Dessloch wrote:3k points and I only have Kharn, Typhus, and a Daemon Prince.

So you have two special characters and 3 HQs in a relatively small detachment?

Let the guy use Abaddon. If he doesn't perform he can use him as a normal lord. Presumably your friends will also be buying more forces at some stage and he will be useful again.

Soup and a roll wrote:

Dessloch wrote:3k points and I only have Kharn, Typhus, and a Daemon Prince.

So you have two special characters and 3 HQs in a relatively small detachment?

Let the guy use Abaddon. If he doesn't perform he can use him as a normal lord. Presumably your friends will also be buying more forces at some stage and he will be useful again.

I don't use all 3 at the same time, I mainly only use the Prince and Kharn against melee-weak forces

And I haven't been arguing about this with him and completely fighting him about it, I just merely suggested to wait

But in the end it is HIS money, I just don't want him to be disappointed if we play a 1000 point game and Abaddon is already 1/3 of the points

Despite the overall short fall tactically of fielding an expensive HQ in a small game, I like the idea of sitting back and watching the body count rack up.

If I was to field Kharn or Abbaddon then as a chaos player my main goal would be to wreak as much havoc with these individuals as possible... the final result? mhe!

Thats Chaos for you!

I think Abbadon is awesome, he's my 1st HQ choice in 1500 point games, keep him in reserve and DS him with a load of terminators. Fun times

Just to add, I never play competitivly with Chaos, they are my favorite army so I play what I want so I can enjoy playing with them. Who cares about winning if you have fun in a game with friends?! Probably explains why I have 7 different HQ options and only 4 troops

Yeah I suppose if we only played a 1000 point game and he DS'ed Abaddon right on me, I'd be in trouble. But he DS's of the table or something....

Then I could mop up the rest of his army because it would be 1000 to 725 in an instant

ryanjh wrote:. Something as big as Abaddon is going to draw a lot of fire. And in a small game missing shooting at important things with your good guns even for just a turn or two could be very relevant.

Wait, missing shooting important things? What other important things can the CSM player afford?

Plus, distractions are great, but if your opponent ignores the distraction, then you just threw down a quarter of your points in order to distract your opponent away from attacking exactly what they're attacking anyways.

Special characters are almost always grossly overcosted for what they do, and should only be used in specific circumstances where you have a real plan for how to use them (note: "he's awesome!" is not a plan)

In a 500 point list? NO. I've never run him in anything less than 2500.

He's way too expensive, you can barely afford a prince in a 500 point list.

I'd just run:
Absolute minimum Lord---90
10 marines,2 meltas, rhino---205
10 marines 2 meltas, rhino---205

There ya go, perfect 500 point list.

lol he was my first hq I bought and he never died in over 15 or so games but im the guy that brings abby and 2 5 man csm squads (with a few upgrades) in a 500 point tournament and ive brought abby to a 350 pint game as well i think in small point games he is best( at least at my lgs where there where never any tanks bellow 1k points) but now i prefer my daemon princes support the hole army better then just being a beatstick granted abbadon does what he does the best but getting him there is the problem