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I recently started playing 40K and in my first match an ork attacked my monolith with a power klaw. Afterwards I went to my 5th ed rule book but only found one short little paragraph on power fists(klaw). It did say what it does for the users strength but I'm not sure how that translates into better close combat attacks in general. My other question is this: does the Living Metal rule negate power weapons? In the codex it says the attacker uses the unaugmented strength of the model. Therefore if the only thing the power fist does is augment the models strength wouldn't the Living Metal of my Monolith negate the strength upgrade? like I said - only played one match so far so I'm going back over the match seeing where I may not have taken what few advantages the Necrons have. Thanx!

Powerfists are power weapons in that they negate armor saves. They also double the strength of the user but reduce his initiative to 1.

Living metal does not negate the strength bonus from the fist, it pretty clearly in the necron codex states something along the lines of, the attacker doesnt get any extra dice when rolling for armor pen, so if they hit you with a melta weapon, they only get 1D6 for armor penetration.

Necron FAQ, powerfists work against living metal.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180146_Necrons_FAQ_2004-08_5th_Edition.pdf

If I were to guess at a rules justification it would be that what matters for Living Metal purposes is the strength of the weapon, which in this case is calculated by doubling the strength characteristic of the model holding it. The model might be strength 4, but his powerfist is strength 8.

Catyrpelius wrote:Powerfists are power weapons in that they negate armor saves. They also double the strength of the user but reduce his initiative to 1.

Living metal does not negate the strength bonus from the fist, it pretty clearly in the necron codex states something along the lines of, the attacker doesnt get any extra dice when rolling for armor pen, so if they hit you with a melta weapon, they only get 1D6 for armor penetration.

I dunno. I'm looking at page 21 of the Necron codex in the last sentence of the Living Metal rule it says a weapon will use it's normal strength no matter what. I'm paraphrasing here to avoid dishing out any rules. But you are right in that the FAQ says you can use a power fist on a monolith - maybe without the added strength?

Also, I looked at the FAQ and I think they have a typo - or I'm misunderstanding something. It says "Q: Can an AP1 hit from the particle whip..." I looked in the codex and the particle whip is listed as an AP3.

You answered this question yourself

in the last sentence of the Living Metal rule it says a weapon will use it's normal strength

It uses the WEAPONS strength, not the strength of the model using the weapon. As strength of a Klaw is double that of the model using it, so you use S8. If the Nob charged the +1 S bonus from furious charge would not count, as that is a bonus to the models strength.

I'm unsure about the particle whip, it may well be a typo. we all know how well GW's proof reading can be.

Okdoke. I guess I need to spend more time understanding power weapons. Thanx!

The particle whip is an AP3 large blast weapon but has a special rule that any model under the center of the marker takes an AP1 hit. There is no misprint.