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Just reading through the blood angels codex to make my ideal army to work towards and saw that you can make a death company unit of 30 men all with power swords and jump packs, add in Lemartes Guardian of the lost and you cant be beat. if you manage to get int hand to hand without any casualties you will get 90 attacks with re-rolled misses to hit. Is it just me or is that a tad unfair?

Spiderfish wrote:Just reading through the blood angels codex to make my ideal army to work towards and saw that you can make a death company unit of 30 men all with power swords and jump packs, add in Lemartes Guardian of the lost and you cant be beat. if you manage to get int hand to hand without any casualties you will get 90 attacks with re-rolled misses to hit. Is it just me or is that a tad unfair?

No.

Work out the points cost of that unit, and you will see why it is fair.
(Hint: It is a lot.)

I did 2100 but for a unit like that it worth it. with the feel no pain they are going to be very hard to kill. I have had a unit of 5 survive several volleys of fire with out casualties so 30 of them i would be happy to go to battle with just them

Spiderfish wrote:I did 2100 but for a unit like that it worth it

Yes. A Unit that costs more than most armies, has Rage (so a Single Land Raider stops the unit completely) and cannot score.

Sooooooo worth it.

You do realize how big a squad of 30 is correct? You also realize that it will attract every weapon your oppenent has. You also must see that they can only attack 1 squad at a time unless your oppenent opens up for multi assaults. The cons or a lot more than the pro's there. And its far from unbeatable in hand to hand even. I can think of a few units that could tear into it.

Ok. Uno what id do in this situation? Lets say your smart and chuck in some thunder hammers so you will be able to damage LRs.

Ill field my Executioner and my LRBT. No feel no pain, No save, No hope of cover save. Instant dead.


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Not to mention you could kill a maxiumum of 7 enemy units per turn. Or hold more than 2 objectives.

You can't hold any objectives with them. They're not scoring units by RaW.

Well, a DC unit can't score but it can win a game by wiping out the enemy.
Thirty DC Marines is a scary unit that can take down everything. Hands down.
But the problem is delivery. They pay 450 pts for jump packs.

Lash + Vindicator and Oblit Plasma Cannons

just spread the 30 DC in a line across the battlefield, and march them so they can assault pretty much everything at one on the opposite side all at once.

One fire prism, they should never be able to touch it if played well.

I hate emoticons too, but I simply can't respond to this thread with words.

Melchiour wrote:You do realize how big a squad of 30 is correct? You also realize that it will attract every weapon your oppenent has. You also must see that they can only attack 1 squad at a time unless your oppenent opens up for multi assaults. The cons or a lot more than the pro's there. And its far from unbeatable in hand to hand even. I can think of a few units that could tear into it.

Note that attracting every weapon your opponent has is no exaggeration here. Your enemy has pretty much nothing else to shoot at with over 2000 points worth of guns since this is practically your entire army. I don't have any army lists prepared for that points level, but out of my 2000 point list I'd feed it armored sentinels while killing your HQ and other troops choice and set up my many large guns to smash them up once they've finally managed to glance it to death.

I don't play Space Marines, but Ironclad Dreadnought laughs at your pitiful attempts to harm it.

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:One fire prism, they should never be able to touch it if played well.

two and they can play tag. one prism moves close they charge towards that one then it move away and the other moves closer they charge that way.

Melchiour wrote:You do realize how big a squad of 30 is correct? You also realize that it will attract every weapon your oppenent has. You also must see that they can only attack 1 squad at a time unless your oppenent opens up for multi assaults. The cons or a lot more than the pro's there. And its far from unbeatable in hand to hand even. I can think of a few units that could tear into it.

While thats true .... the opponent doesnt have a choice regarding multi assaults with a 30 strong unit coming, you can string them out and assault units that are 20+ inches away from each other lol ....