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My bad, i wasn't very clear. Sorry.


the Monolith can move and fire everything anyway (the Heavy rule meaning it always counts as being stationary for the purposes of shooting). but under 5th ed rules, it coudl not fire the Flux arc AND the Whip, as the whip is ordnance.

So, in 6th ed. Can you fire any other weapons if you have already fired an ordnance shot? if you can then thsi also open the door to firign the Whip, Arc AND using the portal of Exile as that also counts as a shootign attack.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I take with this whole "2nd FoC after 2000 pts" rule, that games are no longer capped at 2500 points?

They never were...

insaniak wrote:

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So I take with this whole "2nd FoC after 2000 pts" rule, that games are no longer capped at 2500 points?

They never were...

Fun fact, you already got a second FOC at 2000 pts in 3rd edition. In 4th and 5th it was at 2500.

Therion wrote:

Altruizine wrote:I'm sure people would appreciate it if you guys could exercise some restraint and cool the debate for as long as we have rattman here answering our queries.

I'm sorry. I took a twelve hour break and posted a short and to the point response to Shuma's writings to close the debate, but I'll just go away and hide in a corner with my head hanging in shame because it interfered with all the 'DESTROYERS HERE I COME' posts.

Debates on the internet are last word contests, don't pretend otherwise!

Don't want this getting re-locked now just as it's finding some usefulness again.

Hoping beyond hope that Leman Russes get the Heavy USR. Sponsons might actually be worthwhile

rattman could you answer these

Does morale play a larger role in 6th ed? Is it still 25% shooting casualties? No Regrouping if below 50%? Rumours said you can always regroup if sergeant type model is still alive?

Are there any good mysterious terrain results? Care to list some interesting or funny ones?

Does the Heavy rule affect deepstrike in any way? Basically will a Monolith crash and burn on a 1 if I hit an enemy unit or does it work like a droppod where you stop 1" from enemy or Mawlok where you can dmg something you land on and they have to move?

Any change to Vehicle Squadron rule?

Any change to Sniper weapons

One guy said PrefE was for shooting only and Hatred was for melee only. As you clarified PE, what does Hatred do?

Joey wrote:Hoping beyond hope that Leman Russes get the Heavy USR. Sponsons might actually be worthwhile

Doesn't the Lumbering Behemoth rule do pretty much the same thing already? (sincere question, i've never had a proper look through the IG codex)

Praxiss wrote:

Joey wrote:Hoping beyond hope that Leman Russes get the Heavy USR. Sponsons might actually be worthwhile

Doesn't the Lumbering Behemoth rule do pretty much the same thing already? (sincere question, i've never had a proper look through the IG codex)

It lets you fire what you could normally fire, plus the turret weapon. So if you stay still you can shoot them all, but if you move you can shoot the turret plus one. So if my Russ had lascannons and MM sponsons, and I moved, I could shoot the main cannon plus a lasscannon or one of the MMs.
So it lets you a)shoot weapons with ordinance and b)shoot two weapons on the move.

A LR being able to shoot a battlecannon, lascannon and 2 MM sponson on the move at full BS sounds a little harsh.

You'll be able to do it now but will have to use Snapshot (cannon at normal BS, Las at normal BS, sponsons at BS1)

So under these CCW rules, the only Dark Eldar weapons that can scratch a TEQ in CC would be the duel blades of Lilith and Sliscus (on 5+).

Not even a Huskblade......Not even Drazhar.....Not even Vect.

Yeah, I mad.

Forum is being very strange, creating double posts then deleting one of them.

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Praxiss wrote:A LR being able to shoot a battlecannon, lascannon and 2 MM sponson on the move at full BS sounds a little harsh.

You'll be able to do it now but will have to use Snapshot (cannon at normal BS, Las at normal BS, sponsons at BS1)

Actually that's not so bad since you no longer subtract BS from blast markers so plasma sponsons just got a lot more viable


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Maige wrote:So under these CCW rules, the only Dark Eldar weapons that can scratch a TEQ in CC would be the duel blades of Lilith and Sliscus (on 5+).

Not even a Huskblade......Not even Drazhar.....Not even Vect.

Yeah, I mad.

You mean you can't go into close combat with human tanks and blow them over? That must suck

Praxiss wrote:A LR being able to shoot a battlecannon, lascannon and 2 MM sponson on the move at full BS sounds a little harsh.

A friend of mine used to do that when we were all new to the game due to misreading the lumbering behemoth rule. It's not as bad as it sounds.

Maige wrote:So under these CCW rules, the only Dark Eldar weapons that can scratch a TEQ in CC would be the duel blades of Lilith and Sliscus (on 5+).

Not even a Huskblade......Not even Drazhar.....Not even Vect.

Yeah, I mad.

Harlequins can at least have Rending. Personally I'd just stock up on Void Ravens and blasters instead.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Trevak Dal wrote:How is that not negative shank911?

Because random = fun!!!

Random = Cinematic!

Maige wrote:So under these CCW rules, the only Dark Eldar weapons that can scratch a TEQ in CC would be the duel blades of Lilith and Sliscus (on 5+).

Not even a Huskblade......Not even Drazhar.....Not even Vect.

Yeah, I mad.

Rage problem

Maige wrote:So under these CCW rules, the only Dark Eldar weapons that can scratch a TEQ in CC would be the duel blades of Lilith and Sliscus (on 5+).

Not even a Huskblade......Not even Drazhar.....Not even Vect.

Yeah, I mad.

I'm not going to leap to conclusions, but assuming that is the case I'll be right there with you, really not looking forward to my Dark Eldar playing like Tau in flimsier transports.

Joey wrote:
You mean you can't go into close combat with human tanks and blow them over? That must suck

Majorly. I know you're having a wind-up/troll, but the fluff argument doesn't make any sense. The Dark Eldar are supposed to be master tormentors, using sophisticated eldritch weaponry to inflict agony unrivalled. We have our standard 'Power Weapon' but we also have Blades which incinerate everything they touch leaving a trail of husky corpses behind. We have whips which fry your nervous system on contact. We have Blades which harness the power of trapped souls and giant two-handed power machetes.

Yet the only thing cracking a termie's armour is a pair of Mary Sue's daggers and a lucky venom hit from some swashbuckling meth addict?

..........I do love me some Sliscus though.

xttz wrote:
Harlequins can at least have Rending. Personally I'd just stock up on Void Ravens and blasters instead.

Kind of a 'let them eat cake' moment. Sure Dark Eldar can still shoot alright; no better than they used to, arguably worse. That's no consolation whatsoever.

It's like "Well we cut out your right eye for no particular reason, but you still have your left one".

I told myself I wasn't gonna get butthurt over 6th, I could handle it when they cut disembark distance, but taking away the ability to dent TEQs in CC has surely rustled my jimmies.

Drunkspleen wrote:

Maige wrote:So under these CCW rules, the only Dark Eldar weapons that can scratch a TEQ in CC would be the duel blades of Lilith and Sliscus (on 5+).

Not even a Huskblade......Not even Drazhar.....Not even Vect.

Yeah, I mad.

I'm not going to leap to conclusions, but assuming that is the case I'll be right there with you, really not looking forward to my Dark Eldar playing like Tau in flimsier transports.

HEY!

Us tau arent scared of anyone!

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Maige wrote:So under these CCW rules, the only Dark Eldar weapons that can scratch a TEQ in CC would be the duel blades of Lilith and Sliscus (on 5+).

Not even a Huskblade......Not even Drazhar.....Not even Vect.

Yeah, I mad.

I reckon the FAQ will change ap values for "special" pws. Seeing as, ya know, axes don't suit the de style...

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How does artillery work

[–]Rixitotal[S] 3 points 7 hours ago
i have no idea how it works in the old edition. but they have stats now T7 2W. if the crew is killed so are you.

I may have fallen behind a little bit... Outside of the current discussion about DE being boned for power weapon selections, has anyone else talked about how much they want to kick the developers for changing the stats on PWs? An axe is different from a maul is different from a sword? Seriously? So now my CSM termies, who I just assembled with bits from the box, have mauls and axes and no swords, and have silly, seemingly random attributes? Bleh...

Are Fast, open-topped Transports still the exception to the 6" disembark rule?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 7 hours ago
nope


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[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 7 hours ago
force weapons follow the same model as power weapons, all ones with their own rules are AP3. i guess one of you plays GK.

tetrisphreak wrote:Are Fast, open-topped Transports still the exception to the 6" disembark rule?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 7 hours ago
nope


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[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 7 hours ago
force weapons follow the same model as power weapons, all ones with their own rules are AP3. i guess one of you plays GK.

Men, fast (open-topped) skimmers should be handled differently here. MEQ armies will be favored once again.

Also, Rending. Has it changed at all?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 8 hours ago
auto wounds and is AP 2. +D3 against tanks

Woah rending is roll to hit again?

tetrisphreak wrote:Also, Rending. Has it changed at all?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 8 hours ago
auto wounds and is AP 2. +D3 against tanks

This makes me happy. *hugs his Wraiths*

There's been a lot of discussion back and forth about the term "generate" when determining powers from the new psychic disciplines, especially given "Warp Charge" level. Are powers rolled randomly? Is this consistent across all races?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 8 hours ago
generating is just like getting fantasy spells (except you reroll a double dont choose.) warp charge is how many spells you can cast, some have warp charge 2 and take up 2 spells worth of casting.

pretre wrote:Woah rending is roll to hit again?

That'd explain why snipers lost it, since they're 6s to hit means wound allocation.

pretre wrote:Woah rending is roll to hit again?

Didn't specify in the thread. I imagine it's still to-wound.

Edit - re-read the post. now i'm not sure. Maybe 6-to hit is an auto wound. The reason i have confusion is right now a rending 6 counts as an auto-wound.

I'm boggling at the Power Axe thing, honestly. Only MeQ armies have the actual bit, and even then not all of them.

I also see almost no reason why you wouldn't go for a Power Fist instead, as it gives you beter Strength at the same initiative. It's not even clear yet if the axe lets you keep the extra attack from 2 ccws. It better be -amazingly- cheap, point-wise.