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I'd answer that question by exploding the oft seen myth regular people have that if a possible business idea that would make money is out there, someone always sees it, jumps on it, and does it right away.

It's not just that this doesn't ALWAYS happen, it's that it rarely happens. And most of the business world revolves around the idea that it rarely happens. The world here works the exact opposite way of how people think it does.

Why didn't somebody build a successful theme park before Walt Disney, I guess they just didn't like money back then. Why didn't anybody build the Panama Canal back when Europeans discovered America and wanted a trade route to Asia? What they didn't have shovels? That a business opportunity is unfulfilled means absolutely nothing to the worthiness of that business idea.

i think you are severly underestimating GW brand power
would be hard for a company to topple them, even if they propose a better product at a better price

 frankelee wrote:
I'd answer that question by exploding the oft seen myth regular people have that if a possible business idea that would make money is out there, someone always sees it, jumps on it, and does it right away.

It's not just that this doesn't ALWAYS happen, it's that it rarely happens. And most of the business world revolves around the idea that it rarely happens. The world here works the exact opposite way of how people think it does.

Why didn't somebody build a successful theme park before Walt Disney, I guess they just didn't like money back then. Why didn't anybody build the Panama Canal back when Europeans discovered America and wanted a trade route to Asia? What they didn't have shovels? That a business opportunity is unfulfilled means absolutely nothing to the worthiness of that business idea.

People have been predicting 3d printer takeover for like a decade. Why none here who propose it actually do it? If there's one to be　had first one will be richest. One might think at least one guy tried. Streamers did. That's how they got where they are. Business doesnt land on your lap automatically unlike 3d printer proponents seems to think.

Gw ain't in danger by 3d printers for decades.

We're just talking about some minor price changes through competition and an evolving market here. This sort of stuff has happened to companies like McDonalds, Apple, Facebook... GW's brand power is hardly anything to brag about by comparison to these companies. GW is a big fish in a tiny pond, with very, very little competition, in a industry that's hardly filled with visionaries or much in the way of talent. They're nothing special in that regard.


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tneva82 wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
I'd answer that question by exploding the oft seen myth regular people have that if a possible business idea that would make money is out there, someone always sees it, jumps on it, and does it right away.

It's not just that this doesn't ALWAYS happen, it's that it rarely happens. And most of the business world revolves around the idea that it rarely happens. The world here works the exact opposite way of how people think it does.

Why didn't somebody build a successful theme park before Walt Disney, I guess they just didn't like money back then. Why didn't anybody build the Panama Canal back when Europeans discovered America and wanted a trade route to Asia? What they didn't have shovels? That a business opportunity is unfulfilled means absolutely nothing to the worthiness of that business idea.

People have been predicting 3d printer takeover for like a decade. Why none here who propose it actually do it? If there's one to be　had first one will be richest. One might think at least one guy tried. Streamers did. That's how they got where they are. Business doesnt land on your lap automatically unlike 3d printer proponents seems to think.

Gw ain't in danger by 3d printers for decades.

Considering high quality, consumer grade liquid resin printers have been widely available for 18 months... I think you are all are a bit under-researched. The fact is, most miniature gamers who will go on to own a resin printer probably don't even own one yet. So this argument that it would have happened by now, it's not tethered to anything in reality.

And, of course, somebody still has to do it. Plenty of industries have been filled with dinosaurs just waiting for a long overdue meteor. Again, the idea that somebody instantly takes on a business idea, it's just 101-level incorrect.

3D printing taking away from GW is the same as Resin casting has

everyone can do it at home and it is "cheaper" than buying from GW (but only on a material cost point of view and only compared to GW pricing)

for most it is still too much work as GW's main costumers are those who like ETB Marines
and those won't invest the time needed to make an army at home with some time wasted for "trial and error"

this is again a hype were people see GW dead because their price is too high for the competition while market is changing as well and "cheaper but takes more time and work" is no real competition to GW

3D printing needs to be way more convenient than it is to pose a risk.

I'd gladly play around with it, but the amount of prep and fiddling with the machine and files makes it a waste of time- I'm not a 3d printing hobbyist, so none of it, no doubt fascinating, is for me.

Yeah, the problem with 3D printing is threefold: quality, price, convenience.
Same with any new process.
LCD resin printers have aced the quality and price barriers now but convenience is still an absolute barrier to a lot of folk.

Consider that to print a mini you have to:
Obtain a model
Get that model converted to a format your printer can work with
Wait 2-3 hours for the print to finish
Clean up (at minimum there will be supports; for resin there is also washing and curing). Assuming the print doesn’t fail entirely in the meantime of course.

Before you can start painting.

When they get to the same ease of use and reliability as a regular old document printer, then you will see major market disruption.

As fascinating as this tangent is people, it has nothing to do with News or Rumours for AoS so please take it elsewhere and stop bumbing this thread.

And even when printing got cheap for ink/laser printers you saw damn few people printing books on them vs buying professionally published book. Convenience won out on price, and then e-readers happened. It'd be hilarious if some sort of cheap holography overtook 3D printing for this purpose .

Agreed.

I’ve ordered some prints from people and that’s about as far as I’ll go with it.

The effort if you do it yourself is as mentioned, with cost there too.
You really have to enjoy that aspect of it as well to invest..


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Wrote will you were posting ingtaer..

Is the new Daughters of Khane stuff out this weekend? We didn’t get a shipment of new stuff yet this week, and GW’s site still lists them under PreOrders and not New Stuff. Just an un/expected delay or coming next week or anyone know anything?

 AduroT wrote:
Is the new Daughters of Khane stuff out this weekend? We didn’t get a shipment of new stuff yet this week, and GW’s site still lists them under PreOrders and not New Stuff. Just an un/expected delay or coming next week or anyone know anything?

They announced delays on Wednesday. Some places haven't been affected(my local shops got their stuff, but we're close to TN) but others will have been.

If your shops didn't get their orders by Thursday? They're likely not going to have gotten them.

GW's "preorders" don't normally update till later in the day on a Saturday. I think they only update once the last timezone is reached so it goes up with the community webpage post advertising all the changes

In the US, new releases drop at 1 pm Eastern, 12 pm Central, 11 am Mountain and 10 am Pacific.

New releases are "available" as of noon EST, since that's when their shops start opening.

Preorders are 1pm.

Thanks for the info on the website timing! Guessing ours got lost in the weather. The other stores still got their stuff. That’s starting to seem like a pattern with our GW orders lately...

One thing to note is that "other stores" might be using third party distributors. They tend to ship things out whenever. I have a local GW and a local independent, and they don't use GW as a distributor so sometimes will have the new releases out as early as Thursday nights.

Cronch wrote:
If you haven't noticed by now that AoS is *not* "closer to Tolkien" in design, then uh...I don't know what to say. But it's not, and complaining that it's not when it's never been seems kind of counterproductive?

well it seems now a month and a half later with the new Deathrattle teaser that things have changed. Those Zombies and Skeletons look INCREDIBLE compared to the bonereapers. I'm excited!

 AduroT wrote:
Thanks for the info on the website timing! Guessing ours got lost in the weather. The other stores still got their stuff. That’s starting to seem like a pattern with our GW orders lately...

Our FLGS just got the stuff in the other day, due to the weather delay.

I do not know if it is anyway related to the hedonites
release this month but I noticed the Slaanesh Herald (Viceleader)
was removed from GW site for both AoS and 40K.

Granted it was the last finecast figure from the Slaanesh deamon
range.

Interesting. Maybe a plastic one is imminent.

In the reveal show they talked about "Many more small heroes coming in the near months". They revealed a Stormcast, a Nighthaunt and a Soulblight Gravelords. It seems that a single small hero is gonna be released soon for every faction. It would make sense for Slaanesh to be the Viceleader.

I sort of figured it would be a boxset with Stormcast vs Nighthaunts, and they'd release the new nighthaunt and Gardus in that. As for the soulblight, the wight is probably just part of that inevitable release

 Yoid wrote:
In the reveal show they talked about "Many more small heroes coming in the near months". They revealed a Stormcast, a Nighthaunt and a Soulblight Gravelords. It seems that a single small hero is gonna be released soon for every faction. It would make sense for Slaanesh to be the Viceleader.

Well a plastic Viceleader would be an instant buy for me for sure!

mortar_crew wrote:

 Yoid wrote:
In the reveal show they talked about "Many more small heroes coming in the near months". They revealed a Stormcast, a Nighthaunt and a Soulblight Gravelords. It seems that a single small hero is gonna be released soon for every faction. It would make sense for Slaanesh to be the Viceleader.

Well a plastic Viceleader would be an instant buy for me for sure!

It's very very odd that GW has given Slaanesh 2 big model range updates and yet didn't replace the finecast herald in either one. I'd love to see it replaced and have Slaanesh be one of the few fully plastic armies. If they are holding back for a steady drip feed of new heroes then that's a good thing. Heck I'm glad that GW has realised that they don't just have to do big model launches and that even 1 nice new model every now and then helps keep interest up in other armies that might not have a big production slot for years to come.

Then again Slaanesh did get a new hero in the Lord of Pain and that might count as their "hero" release; just like Daughters of Khaine got the new snake leader.

With how much nostalgia the design team has for older models, I'm sure that there will be more down the line for Slaanesh hero wise. The mounted champion of Slaanesh is just too iconic to ignore, even if they decide to take the boobs off the boob snake. (Which is fine by me, as I dont like that element very much, though the meme of "boob snake" would be missed.)

They could easily cover them like they did with the new seekers; by placing a metal plate over them as armour. (which isn't even a new idea as the chariot seekers already had chest plates on them from years back).

I don't know if GW is "against" boobies though - the Bloodwrack from Daughters of Khaine has one exposed and it hardly ever gets a mention anywhere. Granted she's not as famous for it as the boob-snake is

 Overread wrote:
They could easily cover them like they did with the new seekers; by placing a metal plate over them as armour. (which isn't even a new idea as the chariot seekers already had chest plates on them from years back).

I don't know if GW is "against" boobies though - the Bloodwrack from Daughters of Khaine has one exposed and it hardly ever gets a mention anywhere. Granted she's not as famous for it as the boob-snake is

I don't see a reimagining of the boob-snake being a problem...

Ohhh true I forgot about the fiends!!

To be honest, I'm kind of hopeful they ditch the boobs; after seeing the new seekers and how they look more like some kind of strange but believable form of wild life in the realms I think it would be a good design choice for alot of the mortals of chaos mounts. Save the crazy stuff for full demons.