Necron rumor & pics summary in 1st post (now with 2nd wave pics!)

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**GiantSlingshot**

From what I recall, for fluff purposes, the model need not actually be terribly large. As it's been described, it's a fast aircraft that has a portal on the underside. The 15 guys aren't actually inside the thing.

**gdsora**

Hey, ive been reading this thread, and the Warseer necron rumor thread...

This just came up

Originally Posted by Sabe from Warseer
Heads up guys, think i might have uncovered the reason why Bram thought the Ghost Ark gives warriors Everliving. It doesn't, but it does operate as the second vacuum cleaner in the necron army(the first being the monoliths suck-you-into-a-pocket-dimension attack).

When a necron warrior dies within a few inches(unsure as to how close) of a Ghost Ark(as in they fail their reanimation) they are sucked up into it. After it fills its compliment of warriors(I believe 10) it spits out the whole lot of them as a brand new warrior unit(10 strong). Hence why warriors are impossible to get rid of while its around.

Nifty mechanic I might add. Won't disclose my source at the moment but he's apparently seen the WD and the dex so if this turns out correct you'll all get a laugh about who it was."

Any validity to this statement?

**Ouze**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Seriously though, if the flyer did look like a Necron'd out Death Glider, that would be pretty awesome.

Challenge accepted.

**Sectiplave**

GiantSlingshot wrote:From what I recall, for fluff purposes, the model need not actually be terribly large. As it's been described, it's a fast aircraft that has a portal on the underside. The 15 guys aren't actually inside the thing.

Ahhh yes you are right! This doesn't seem to have had much attention actually, isn't that literally exactly what all the Necron "fans/purists" were asking for in transport craft?

It could also gain popularity depending on it's cost, and if 6th edition makes transports more dangerous for those who are inside it. You'd want a Monolith to help get them back out of reserves quickly though so not exactly cheap my any stretch of the imagination.

**Zachilles**

gdsora wrote:Hey, ive been reading this thread, and the Warseer necron rumor thread...

This just came up

Originally Posted by Sabe from Warseer
Heads up guys, think i might have uncovered the reason why Bram thought the Ghost Ark gives warriors Everliving. It doesn't, but it does operate as the second vacuum cleaner in the necron army(the first being the monoliths suck-you-into-a-pocket-dimension attack).

When a necron warrior dies within a few inches(unsure as to how close) of a Ghost Ark(as in they fail their reanimation) they are sucked up into it. After it fills its compliment of warriors(I believe 10) it spits out the whole lot of them as a brand new warrior unit(10 strong). Hence why warriors are impossible to get rid of while its around.

Nifty mechanic I might add. Won't disclose my source at the moment but he's apparently seen the WD and the dex so if this turns out correct you'll all get a laugh about who it was."

Any validity to this statement?

If this is true then all of the Sudden the ghost barge is looking pretty cheap for what it does

**makubaka**

Gonna need more of these imho

lol

**asimo77**

I think the reanimate D3 Warriors is a little more believable and less complicated. Though as a Necron player I wouldn't mind having both or either abilities on the Ark.

**kargenetic**

asimo77 wrote:I think the reanimate D3 Warriors is a little more believable and less complicated. Though as a Necron player I wouldn't mind having both or either abilities on the Ark.

On Warseer they're saying you get both. I'd love to hear Yak chime in on this one...

(Waits patiently.)

**JohnnoM**

I wonder if the Elites choices (mainly praetorians and lychguard) will have something along the lines of combat squads rule?

**MasterSlowPoke**

Ouze wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Seriously though, if the flyer did look like a Necron'd out Death Glider, that would be pretty awesome.

Challenge accepted.

You realize that out of all the Necron releases, only the Flayed Ones have any skulls on the model, right? And those are actually appropriate.

I'm not counting Necron heads as those don't really count.

**haroon**

gdsora wrote:Hey, ive been reading this thread, and the Warseer necron rumor thread...

This just came up

Originally Posted by Sabe from Warseer
Heads up guys, think i might have uncovered the reason why Bram thought the Ghost Ark gives warriors Everliving. It doesn't, but it does operate as the second vacuum cleaner in the necron army(the first being the monoliths suck-you-into-a-pocket-dimension attack).

When a necron warrior dies within a few inches(unsure as to how close) of a Ghost Ark(as in they fail their reanimation) they are sucked up into it. After it fills its compliment of warriors(I believe 10) it spits out the whole lot of them as a brand new warrior unit(10 strong). Hence why warriors are impossible to get rid of while its around.

Nifty mechanic I might add. Won't disclose my source at the moment but he's apparently seen the WD and the dex so if this turns out correct you'll all get a laugh about who it was."

Any validity to this statement?

I pray that is true

**Leggy**

Question on the Stormlord & 2 solar pulse crypteks. Is it worth the points?
You're mostly taking stormlord for the nightfight rules, then using the pulse to negate it on your turn. However the pulse can also cause nightfight rules in their shooting phase.
Because of Imoteks strategy rule, you'll start first 2/3 of the time. That means nightfight starts to be mutually disadvantagous on your turn 3. The enemy only "misses" 2 shooting phases before you "miss" them too. This could be done considerably cheaper by not taking stormlord at all, and only using the crypteks.

So the question is, will the Stormlords other abilities be worth the difference in points between him and a generic lord?

**H.B.M.C.**

Ouze wrote:Challenge accepted.

Those are just skulls!!!

**MasterSlowPoke**

Leggy wrote:Question on the Stormlord & 2 solar pulse crypteks. Is it worth the points?
You're mostly taking stormlord for the nightfight rules, then using the pulse to negate it on your turn. However the pulse can also cause nightfight rules in their shooting phase.
Because of Imoteks strategy rule, you'll start first 2/3 of the time. That means nightfight starts to be mutually disadvantagous on your turn 3. The enemy only "misses" 2 shooting phases before you "miss" them too. This could be done considerably cheaper by not taking stormlord at all, and only using the crypteks.

So the question is, will the Stormlords other abilities be worth the difference in points between him and a generic lord?

By turn 3, the opponent will probably be close enough to make Night Fighting not too much an issue.

**masterofstuff1**

I believe you can also choose to end the storm instead of rolling, on your turn

**Leggy**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Leggy wrote:Question on the Stormlord & 2 solar pulse crypteks. Is it worth the points?
You're mostly taking stormlord for the nightfight rules, then using the pulse to negate it on your turn. However the pulse can also cause nightfight rules in their shooting phase.
Because of Imoteks strategy rule, you'll start first 2/3 of the time. That means nightfight starts to be mutually disadvantagous on your turn 3. The enemy only "misses" 2 shooting phases before you "miss" them too. This could be done considerably cheaper by not taking stormlord at all, and only using the crypteks.

So the question is, will the Stormlords other abilities be worth the difference in points between him and a generic lord?

By turn 3, the opponent will probably be close enough to make Night Fighting not too much an issue.

Well, exactly. Will you need the whole games worth of night fight when two solar pulses worth will do the trick?

**Valek**

I would say you only need the stormlord, and some long range shooting, in esscence you take him for the start and the possible lightning hits on the opponent.

Not really convinced by him, think some other chars definetly have more impact on the game and the army, but we know not much of their equipment and saves yet.

**MasterSlowPoke**

Leggy wrote:
MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Leggy wrote:Question on the Stormlord & 2 solar pulse crypteks. Is it worth the points?
You're mostly taking stormlord for the nightfight rules, then using the pulse to negate it on your turn. However the pulse can also cause nightfight rules in their shooting phase.
Because of Imoteks strategy rule, you'll start first 2/3 of the time. That means nightfight starts to be mutually disadvantagous on your turn 3. The enemy only "misses" 2 shooting phases before you "miss" them too. This could be done considerably cheaper by not taking stormlord at all, and only using the crypteks.

So the question is, will the Stormlords other abilities be worth the difference in points between him and a generic lord?

By turn 3, the opponent will probably be close enough to make Night Fighting not too much an issue.

Well, exactly. Will you need the whole games worth of night fight when two solar pulses worth will do the trick?

You don't take the Stormlord because he causes Night Fighting. You take him because he causes 1/6th of the enemy units to suffer D6 S8 hits every turn, regardless of where the enemy units are (other than in reserves). The Solar Pulses are to allow you to have some long range shooting as well.

**Sasori**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Leggy wrote:
MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Leggy wrote:Question on the Stormlord & 2 solar pulse crypteks. Is it worth the points?
You're mostly taking stormlord for the nightfight rules, then using the pulse to negate it on your turn. However the pulse can also cause nightfight rules in their shooting phase.
Because of Imoteks strategy rule, you'll start first 2/3 of the time. That means nightfight starts to be mutually disadvantagous on your turn 3. The enemy only "misses" 2 shooting phases before you "miss" them too. This could be done considerably cheaper by not taking stormlord at all, and only using the crypteks.

So the question is, will the Stormlords other abilities be worth the difference in points between him and a generic lord?

By turn 3, the opponent will probably be close enough to make Night Fighting not too much an issue.

Well, exactly. Will you need the whole games worth of night fight when two solar pulses worth will do the trick?

You don't take the Stormlord because he causes Night Fighting. You take him because he causes 1/6th of the enemy units to suffer D6 S8 hits every turn, regardless of where the enemy units are (other than in reserves). The Solar Pulses are to allow you to have some long range shooting as well.

I think this, in combination with the increased chance he grants to Alpha Strike, is pretty big. It seems like you really want to cause as much Havoc at range as you can, so you are just on clean up duty the last few turns.

**Nightsbane**

Yeah, as you guys have stated rounds up my same interest in the Storm Lord. I have an old Eldar Rival I am hoping to make soil is pants by taking heavy casualties and not being able to fire back very well for a turn or two.

"Ok, looks like I go first"
"..."
"and...it's dark now"
"..."
"and lightning bolts are now hitting your troops"
"..."

**Ouze**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:You realize that out of all the Necron releases, only the Flayed Ones have any skulls on the model, right? And those are actually appropriate.

I'm not counting Necron heads as those don't really count.

Are you saying I have a weaker grasp of 40kifying a model then does the design team? Cause frankly, I'm just following their cues from the Skullcastle of Skullamancy Tower they released recently.

**Leggy**

Ouze wrote:
MasterSlowPoke wrote:You realize that out of all the Necron releases, only the Flayed Ones have any skulls on the model, right? And those are actually appropriate.

I'm not counting Necron heads as those don't really count.

Are you saying I have a weaker grasp of 40kifying a model then does the design team? Cause frankly, I'm just following their cues from the Skullcastle of Skullamancy Tower they released recently.

He's just saying you made it too imperial and not necrony enough. You need to add glowy rods and glowy balls and ankhs and a sphinx AS WELL AS SKULLZ

**MasterSlowPoke**

Now that I've got all my Necrons together, I think I need to brag and post them up:

50 Warriors
22 Immortals
9 Destroyers
9 bases of Scarabs
6 Crypteks (2nd ed Lords seem to fit well)

Can't wait for the book to come out. Gonna try and have a Necron army with no 3rd edition models in it.

**GrumpyJester**

gdsora wrote:Hey, ive been reading this thread, and the Warseer necron rumor thread...

This just came up

Originally Posted by Sabe from Warseer
Heads up guys, think i might have uncovered the reason why Bram thought the Ghost Ark gives warriors Everliving. It doesn't, but it does operate as the second vacuum cleaner in the necron army(the first being the monoliths suck-you-into-a-pocket-dimension attack).

When a necron warrior dies within a few inches(unsure as to how close) of a Ghost Ark(as in they fail their reanimation) they are sucked up into it. After it fills its compliment of warriors(I believe 10) it spits out the whole lot of them as a brand new warrior unit(10 strong). Hence why warriors are impossible to get rid of while its around.

Nifty mechanic I might add. Won't disclose my source at the moment but he's apparently seen the WD and the dex so if this turns out correct you'll all get a laugh about who it was."

Any validity to this statement?

I highly doubt it. When the Ghost Ark's ability to support Necron Warrior units is explained rules-wise in the WD, it only talks about the D3 models.

Edit: Also, it's not a little tweak to the rules we're talking about here...if they were planning to add something like this to the Ghost Ark, I'm pretty sure it would have popped up in Yak's version as well (as his codex is apparently extremely accurate except for some minor point tweaks).

**asimo77**

Yeah my money is on the rule being D3 regeneration, but perhaps what gdsora described is the fluff behind it or something.

Imagine a vacuum cleaner that sucks up broken Warriors, reassembles them inside itself that spits em out. Rolling a D3 of course is the abstraction of all that.

**hollowmirror**

It does look like warriors really will be a stronger choice overall from where they once werel. I felt like doing some mathhammer after looking at one of these lists people have been posting and thought I'd post my results on the damage results of a 5 troops of 10 warriors each with ghost ark.

I spoiler'ed the math so this post wouldn't stretch to long.

Spoiler:

Just for fun I wrote out a comparible load out with the current codex for comparison.

Spoiler:

**IronfrontAlex**

hollowmirror wrote:It does look like warriors really will be a stronger choice overall from where they once werel. I felt like doing some mathhammer after looking at one of these lists people have been posting and thought I'd post my results on the damage results of a 5 troops of 10 warriors each with ghost ark.

I spoiler'ed the math so this post wouldn't stretch to long.

Spoiler:

warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
--------------
1225

each ark = 10 gauss flayers
10 warriors = 10 gauss flayers

max pay out at 12" against troops
(200*.666).5).1666) = 10.956
(200*.666).5).333) = 22.178
(200*.666).5).5) = 33.3
(200*.666).5) = 66.6

vehicle glances
(200*.666).1666) = 22.19112

Spoiler:

warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
warriors X10 130 245
ghost ark 115
--------------
980

each ark = 10X gauss flayers
10 warriors = 10 gauss flayers

max pay out at 12" against troops
(160*.666).5).1666) = 8.84
(160*.666).5).333) = 17.74
(160*.666).5).5) = 26.64
(160*.666).5) = 53.28

vehicle glances
(160*.666).1666) = 17.76

Just for fun I wrote out a comparible load out with the current codex for comparison.

Spoiler:

warriors X10 180
warriors X10 180
warriors X10 180
warriors X10 180
warriors X10 180
warriors x10 180
-----
900

(120*.666).5).1667) = 6.66
(120*.666).5).333) = 13.333
(120*.666).5).5) = 19.98
(120*.666).5) = 39.96

(120*.666).1667) = 13.32

It's very nice to see the increase in potentiol threat the basic warriors can make to the game now instead of just being something I'd usually keep in reserves as long as possible. I can also say the warriors can be a much stronger threat by being capable to move 6 in their ark and still shoot the 50 gauss flayers on the 5 vehicles the full 24".

Great! but now the big question...

What's more effective, warriors or Immortals?

**reds8n**

asimo77 wrote:Yeah my money is on the rule being D3 regeneration, but perhaps what gdsora described is the fluff behind it or something.

Imagine a vacuum cleaner that sucks up broken Warriors, reassembles them inside itself that spits em out. Rolling a D3 of course is the abstraction of all that.

Quite correct.

WD claims that once per turn d3 models can be reanimated in a Necron warrior squad within 6".

**Dr. Delorean**

Warmmortals!

Anyway, re: crypteks, is anyone gonna buy the model or convert your own? I'm planning on buying one, but I don't want all of them to look the same, so does anyone have any advice regarding converting some?

**asimo77**

The 2 existing Lords, the barge Overlord, the 2 Special Characters, remaining Finecast Overlord, and lastly the Cryptek leave quite a few options for HQ's and Royal Courts. I also bet you can make some good stuff out of the Lycheguard/Praetorian kit, since they seem to have the most ornate parts.