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My friend wants to know how to drop me before I get in combat with him.

Overwhelming numbers and power klaws on every Nob.

Orks don't DO "killing people before they reach combat". Orks kill people in combat, pretty much.

Burna Boyz in a Battlewagon can do the trick. Roll up, angle a template across the squad, multiply hits by fifteen. That wipes out more or less anything right quick.

Otherwise, masses and masses of Shoota Boyz. Force enough saves and Termies will fold.

Nobz with power klaws is tricky because if they go up against thunder hammer and storm shield termies they're gonna get ripped to shreds with all the instant death going on. You're way better off with a 30 man boyz squad.

The more saves they have to make the more they are going to fail. That's always the mentality I play with my orkz. So dropping them before combat, shoota boyz are your best bet. Zap guns kinda work too but they're a little risky and kinda like with the power klaws they won't help a ton against storm shields.

Mobs of shootas with klaws can make short work of them

Lotz an lotz of da ladz. get em inta kombat, den chop um ta bitz

zane2131 wrote:Lotz an lotz of da ladz. get em inta kombat, den chop um ta bitz

This. A charging ork has a 1/24 chance of killing a terminator, so a big gang of slugga boyz should do just fine, especially if they've got a klaw.

massed shoota fire has always worked for me, or simply charging them with boys. 1s will always show up when you make them roll enough.

Just charge them with Sluggas or shoot them with Shootas. As long as you use spammy units instead of elite ones against them, Terminators aren't particularly hard to take out.

Terminators pretty much strike last.

30 ork boyz on the charge:

116 attacks, 58 hits, 29 wounds, not including the power klaw.

Even better if you shot first before charging. Terminators are built to kill elite units...not orks. Basic ork boyz counter terminators pretty hard.

Fetterkey wrote:Just charge them with Sluggas or shoot them with Shootas. As long as you use spammy units instead of elite ones against them, Terminators aren't particularly hard to take out.

This, 20-40 boyz can kill pretty much anything. As long as you stay fearless you will attrition them down.

Its an old saying Ive come to love on most things fighting against Orks. If it doesnt go down, throw more boys at it. Sure its a funny saying that usually isnt a good idea, but against termies that does work well. Just dont waste a trukk mob on them, because that wont get you anywhere but a couple free kill points for your SM friend

Shoot the fighty stuff and fight the shooty stuff.

also,

Elite the mobby stuff and mob the elite stuff.

Smarteye wrote:Elite the mobby stuff and mob the elite stuff.

Surely Elite'ing the mobby stuff isn't very great, cause Terminators charging a Ork boyz mob is a death sentance, since afew ork boyz are no where near the equal of a Terminator.

Although I often have the misfortune of deep striking Termies, only to discover the loota boyz have managed to roll 3 shots apiece.
Que the saves!...

Gf Orks...Gf...

Terminators in general:
What everyone has said. Force them to make lots of saves

Lightning claws: Nobs will work here as they have wound allocation and invunerable saves. 2 Power claws will also kill 3 termies with only 5++ save.

TH/SS Burnas do exceptionaly well as they strike first with power weapons. Otherwise 25-30 should do it

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:

Smarteye wrote:Elite the mobby stuff and mob the elite stuff.

Surely Elite'ing the mobby stuff isn't very great, cause Terminators charging a Ork boyz mob is a death sentance, since afew ork boyz are no where near the equal of a Terminator.

Actually, boyz do quite well against terminators, especially TH/SS ones. Consider that each terminator is worth about 7 ork boyz points-wise, and that those 7 ork boyz get 28 attacks on the charge as sluggas, and that the terminator reliably kills only about 1 of them a round. That's 7 rounds and dozens of attacks the terminator needs to weather before they kill the boyz. The boyz pretty much always come out on top. LC terminators are much more effective at killing boyz, but are much more vulnerable to the PK that the boyz mob is packing.

I run grots for this very reason.

Marine players love bull rushing people with their landraiders, putting a screen of grots gives me a 4+ cover save and a combat shield against anything big and nasty.

Basically the trick with terminators is getting them out of the landraider without having them hammer your face.

Ive noticed that 3 lonewolf deffkoptas do the trick too, they go and blow up vehicles before your opponent even gets a turn so against weaker players they crap their pants and send terminators after them.

Big Mek with SAG and hope for a double 6?
If you really want to kill marines with ork shooting your going to need a LOT of dakka. Burna's are probably your best bet

I have Wolf Guard Terminators with 3 Wolf claws, 1 Chainfist, 2 SS, and Arjac Rockfist. If this helps.

As a marine player who has LOTs of terminators, If I knew I was fighting orks, I would take ranged terminators. Much easier to kill, but can potentially do way more damage to hordes.

By the way, take into account a 5 man assault terminator squad. The norm for me is 2xTHSS 3xLC (for a 5 man) So when I come you against ork boys Ill kill closer to 10 not 5. I have no idea what the ork threshhold is for none fearless, but if you dont get to killing the terminators they are going to dice you into next year, while being able to deal with up to 2 PK attacks because of the 2 TH/SS.

If you see a 8 man squad of 2x wold claw termies with a wolf priest, Wolf Lord with 2x wolf claws, saga of the warrior born charge you out of the LRC, start cleaning up your models off the table and call the game, your going to have to soon anyway. lol....... On a more serious note, your nobs will be able to go toe to toe with lightning claw variants, and your boys against TH/SS, or shooty termies. Just try and deplete the squads with shooting before you charge it in. Thats pretty much it.

for me last week, i used 4 shoota boyz sqauds with big shootas and 4 trukks with big shootas.

thats 88 shoota shots
24 big shoota shots
i shot 8 TH/SS salamander termies with Vulkan
killed 7 in total, then charged
Dead vulkan and dead termie

in short what im trying to say is.... lots of dakka

Jaon wrote:By the way, take into account a 5 man assault terminator squad. The norm for me is 2xTHSS 3xLC (for a 5 man) So when I come you against ork boys Ill kill closer to 10 not 5.

If the terminators are charging, the LC termies will, against T4 like Orks, get an average of 4.5 wounds, then 20 boyz or so get to strike (calling 5 dead and another 5 probably couldn't make it to assault range), then the 20 boyz or so left get 60 attacks and the terminator squad rolls approx. 10 armor saves, failing approx 1.67 which may or may not be thunder hammers. If all the thunder hammers survive til i1 then they get approx. 2.5 more kills. The Nob's PK, even if all taken on SS termies, kills another .42 of a terminator. Fearless casualties will result in another 5 or so dead boyz (losing by 5 approx.) At the end of the combat round in which those terminators charged, which is as advantageous as they're going to get, they've killed approx. 12 orks, which is 72 points worth. The boyz have killed 2.09 terminators, which is 80 points worth (83.6 points with probability factored in.) Those terminators, even when they charge the Orks, are losing unless the boyz mob is tiny. Consequent rounds will see the boyz finish their mop-up of the remaining 3 termies.

This is of course a 200 point unit against a 215 point unit, which is close enough, but this is also giving the terminators the charge since they'll likely be riding in a 250 point land raider. I'm just saying, don't rule out a massive mob of drunk soccer hooligans, they're more capable than you might think.

He managed to kill me down to one terminator with a Deff Dread that I charged but not until after I killed, his Nob unit+Warboss, 20 'Ard Boy mob (That assaulted me) and another mob of 20 regular boyz, my last guy had a chainfist and then went on to eat his way through two more vehicles

One rule all us ork ladz can agree on-

The more the stompier!

how good are your terminators? have orks gotten really bad in CC?
5th edition must be very different. Because i cant imagine a unit of termies killing 50 orks.

I went a bit overkill and charged 6 Kans and 30 Boyz into a 5man squad of termies, needless to say they got the job done.

Lot's of Boy's, a Deff Dread, or try the very low chance of tank shocking them, it's rare, but possible to have them run off the table if you're close enough to the table edge.

TheBlackVanguard wrote:He managed to kill me down to one terminator with a Deff Dread that I charged but not until after I killed, his Nob unit+Warboss, 20 'Ard Boy mob (That assaulted me) and another mob of 20 regular boyz, my last guy had a chainfist and then went on to eat his way through two more vehicles

Yes, this is whats called a rarely happens moment. We ALL have stories of a unit going WTF crazy on the table. Does it ALWAYS happen like that? No. Will I ALWAYS be able to shoot 1 rokkit from a boyz mob and glance a LR stunned for 3 turns in a row? No. But it has happened.

Now lets be realistic. If you NORMALLY send a unit of terminators against what you mentioned, will it win? No. Also I never understood why Ork players would spend the points on Ard Boyz, and then send them after a unit with a bunch of power weapons. You use those guys for assault marines, or normal units with very FEW power weapons. Other wise your wasting points


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Makenshi wrote:I went a bit overkill and charged 6 Kans and 30 Boyz into a 5man squad of termies, needless to say they got the job done.

lol I would hope so

A Black Ram wrote:One rule all us ork ladz can agree on-

The more the stompier!

Couldn't agree more!

As kewl as Terminators can be.... they can't really take on a swarm of 100+ Boyz!


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Makenshi wrote:I went a bit overkill and charged 6 Kans and 30 Boyz into a 5man squad of termies, needless to say they got the job done.

Thats not overkill... Da orkz would call that another glorious day on the farm!

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