The Forgeworld 2017 News & Rumors Thread

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**em_en_oh_pee**

Come on, FW. Give me Fires and I will blow so much coin on new stuff!

**zedmeister**

em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Come on, FW. Give me Fires and I will blow so much coin on new stuff!

From what I could infer after some gentle probing is that they are waiting till the Marine, AdMech and Tau Codexes are out

**em_en_oh_pee**

zedmeister wrote:
em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Come on, FW. Give me Fires and I will blow so much coin on new stuff!

From what I could infer after some gentle probing is that they are waiting till the Marine, AdMech and Tau Codexes are out

Well crap. I feel like AdMech and Tau are going to be the tail end of the ten. :(

**zedmeister**

Isn't AdMech one of the next ones up? I can't see Tau being too long after. They're really pumping them out at the moment

**Verviedi**

Thank you very much. I'll be sure to put those in my usual channels.

**em_en_oh_pee**

zedmeister wrote:
Isn't AdMech one of the next ones up? I can't see Tau being too long after. They're really pumping them out at the moment

That would be news to me. Welcome news though!

**Gamgee**

zedmeister wrote:
em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Come on, FW. Give me Fires and I will blow so much coin on new stuff!

From what I could infer after some gentle probing is that they are waiting till the Marine, AdMech and Tau Codexes are out

Hahah! It's never going to come out. They're always waiting for "something". Oh lead designer (when he was alive) is too busy and needs to finish the HH book, then 8th edition, and now three codices. How much more will we have to wait for? What they didn't tell you is that is only when they will start it and it will take like 3 years to do right? I think this book is going to get cancelled. In video game land such BS PR talk means gak has hit the fan and it's not happening.

**Buddingsquaw**

@zedmeister
Oh man, that Triaros shot is absolutely incredible!
Feeling a bit more hopeful now, although expecting it to be a November release.

**ImAGeek**

Desubot wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
They said Dorn is almost done.

Dont torment me like this

Dorn is pretty much done, just some cloak detailing and base stuff left I heard.

From Isinifer on B&C:

Another awesome talk with Sam Egan too - Dorn is all but finished bar some detailing on his cloak and a little bit of decoration for his base - he'll go to production at the end of the month, my initial guess is he'll be a pre-release box at the HH Weekender but we'll see. He's banned from talking about his next project but he's (still) wanting Sanguinius and with Angelus due out sometime next year either he or the Lion are fair bets seeing as the only alternative will be Alpharius so it's a case of waiting with baited breath for that. He also shared some insight in to the whole process such as when he did the Magnus/Russ duel base and production couldn't find anyway to make it work so it was passed back for modification.

From M_R_Parker:

Apparently Dorn is nearly completed, and Alpharius is well in the works.

Yep Simon Eagan is pretty much just doing Primarchs at the moment, there isn't anyone else doing them from what I can gather.
Apparently there's been talk of Alpharius for a while now (since Book 3 came out really) about how exactly he should be done in his model form, and just how much of his ability to blend in with his rank and file legionnaires should be included. It sounds like they're going full Pythean Scales for his model, and will be keeping him more in line with the size of Lorgar and Kurze rather than making him really short. Rob actually put up a good point that maybe Alpharius is able to look more like his regular guys isn't by actually donning plain armour and stooping a bit, but maybe he has a refractor that can 'shrink' his proportions slightly giving the appearance he's more in Astartes scale. Not something I thought of before, but actually sounds really cool.

**IFC_Casting**

I'll be very surprised if we get fires of Cyraxis at all, and if we do I doubt it will be for another year. Prove me wrong though FW.

**krazynadechukr**

IFC_Casting wrote:
I'll be very surprised if we get fires of Cyraxis at all, and if we do I doubt it will be for another year. Prove me wrong though FW.

I though last we heard it was shelved. FW was told early on by GW that 8th was coming out in a few years so FW held off finishing it. FW focused on HH, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Titanicus, and other stuff. Never heard if it was back on and being updated for 8th though.

**Gamgee**

Then forget FoC. Even I'm sick of talking about it at this point. Jeez. Just make something new for the Tau at this point for all I care and slap a data slate on the website for free. I feel like forcing all these new releases to tie into a book nice and neatly is holding them back creatively from a model design stand point.

Just make up a story later an cram them all in once you have them.

**Slayer-Fan123**

It'll come soon I'm sure.

**IFC_Casting**

Gamgee wrote:
Then forget FoC. Even I'm sick of talking about it at this point. Jeez. Just make something new for the Tau at this point for all I care and slap a data slate on the website for free. I feel like forcing all these new releases to tie into a book nice and neatly is holding them back creatively from a model design stand point.

Just make up a story later an cram them all in once you have them.

I think more of us care that it's going to port over the 30k Mechanicum and that we can't currently when some of us sunk lots of money into it for 7th when they said our models would be useable which annoys us.

**Gamgee**

IFC_Casting wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
Then forget FoC. Even I'm sick of talking about it at this point. Jeez. Just make something new for the Tau at this point for all I care and slap a data slate on the website for free. I feel like forcing all these new releases to tie into a book nice and neatly is holding them back creatively from a model design stand point.

Just make up a story later an cram them all in once you have them.

I think more of us care that it's going to port over the 30k Mechanicum and that we can't currently when some of us sunk lots of money into it for 7th when they said our models would be useable which annoys us.

Yeah and they've said new Tau stuff is coming with it for a long time and a cool in lore fluff battle for a long time too. That annoys me just as much.

**MajorWesJanson**

Gamgee wrote:
IFC_Casting wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
Then forget FoC. Even I'm sick of talking about it at this point. Jeez. Just make something new for the Tau at this point for all I care and slap a data slate on the website for free. I feel like forcing all these new releases to tie into a book nice and neatly is holding them back creatively from a model design stand point.

Just make up a story later an cram them all in once you have them.

I think more of us care that it's going to port over the 30k Mechanicum and that we can't currently when some of us sunk lots of money into it for 7th when they said our models would be useable which annoys us.

Yeah and they've said new Tau stuff is coming with it for a long time and a cool in lore fluff battle for a long time too. That annoys me just as much.

I do understand the desire to wait until GW does the Tau and AdMech books so they can tie in properly and not need major updates, but until then, how about some stopgap datasheets?

**em_en_oh_pee**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
IFC_Casting wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
Then forget FoC. Even I'm sick of talking about it at this point. Jeez. Just make something new for the Tau at this point for all I care and slap a data slate on the website for free. I feel like forcing all these new releases to tie into a book nice and neatly is holding them back creatively from a model design stand point.

Just make up a story later an cram them all in once you have them.

I think more of us care that it's going to port over the 30k Mechanicum and that we can't currently when some of us sunk lots of money into it for 7th when they said our models would be useable which annoys us.

Yeah and they've said new Tau stuff is coming with it for a long time and a cool in lore fluff battle for a long time too. That annoys me just as much.

I do understand the desire to wait until GW does the Tau and AdMech books so they can tie in properly and not need major updates, but until then, how about some stopgap datasheets?

Right? Give us something for the Hoplites and Peltasts.

**Mymearan**

krazynadechukr wrote:
IFC_Casting wrote:
I'll be very surprised if we get fires of Cyraxis at all, and if we do I doubt it will be for another year. Prove me wrong though FW.
I though last we heard it was shelved. FW was told early on by GW that 8th was coming out in a few years so FW held off finishing it. FW focused on HH, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Titanicus, and other stuff. Never heard if it was back on and being updated for 8th though.

FW isn't doing Necromunda, Blood Bowl or Titanicus. That's Specialist Games. FW is a department under Specialist games that does HH and Imperial Armour mainly, plus some special minis for other games (star players for Blood Bowl etc). They don't do the games themselves though.

**Azazelx**

Gamgee wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Come on, FW. Give me Fires and I will blow so much coin on new stuff!

From what I could infer after some gentle probing is that they are waiting till the Marine, AdMech and Tau Codexes are out

Hahah! It's never going to come out. They're always waiting for "something". Oh lead designer (when he was alive) is too busy and needs to finish the HH book, then 8th edition, and now three codices. How much more will we have to wait for? What they didn't tell you is that is only when they will start it and it will take like 3 years to do right? I think this book is going to get cancelled. In video game land such BS PR talk means gak has hit the fan and it's not happening.

Actually, if you look at it objectively rather than emotionally it makes perfect sense for it to be delayed behind the release of 8th - and also behind Admech and Tau. That way when released it will be for the current version of the rules, and complimenting the two new codices. As long as it comes out this year (or early next at worst) then I'm ok with it - especially given what it should bring to the table in terms of already-released Mechanicum models.

The HH rules are continuing to use 7th as their basis, so I can see why a HH book would overtake FoC in the production schedule with 8th being on the horizon for so long.

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MajorWesJanson wrote:

I do understand the desire to wait until GW does the Tau and AdMech books so they can tie in properly and not need major updates, but until then, how about some stopgap datasheets?

Probably because they see that as potentially cannibalising their sales. OTOH, if FoC sells really well and there's a nice spike in Tau and Mechanicus product being purchased then, it only bodes well for more Xenos and non-Marine FW books.

**zedmeister**

Looks like Forgeworld are in a bit of flux. With the loss of Alan Bligh, I think there's a bit of a rethink in how they do things. Lifted from Carlisimo from B&C:

The Geno Five-Two podcast managed to speak to a bunch of FW people at that event this weekend.

-Tony Cottrell says the target date for Angelus is end-of-year 2018. They're stretched thin and want to catch up.
-When Inferno got delayed and still ended up messy, largely due to Alan Bligh doing too much himself while in treatment, FW realized they needed multiple main HH writers. John French may be one of the HH-assigned writers but they are still looking for another one.
-No more releasing a black book without plans to release all the associated models shortly thereafter (which could mean within a year). They are now mapping out all their releases a year in advance, rather than their previous ad hoc approach.
-GW wants to control release previews - they'll be on the Warhammer Community site rather than first seen at FW events.
-They're planning around one new Specialist Game per year (hence being stretched thin). Necromunda this November, Titanicus next year.
-Necromunda will be more detailed than the original, and based on 8th edition rules with alternate activations. No real examples of that complexity other than extra skills tables. Like Blood Bowl, two plastic gangs in the box and resin expansions.
>They haven't started BFG 2.0 but Tony Cottrell would like to theme it on the battle above Terra and eventually work xenos fleets into the game system.
>There's a possibility that they'll revisit the red books in the near future.

Bolded above - that'll sink the Forgeworld events somewhat. What's the point of them if there are no previews. Probably explains why we didn't see much new shown.

**H.B.M.C.**

Uhh.. that bolded bit is the worst.

FW was the one group that was out there showing off new stuff like a normal company.

**IFC_Casting**

What's the point of going to open days now? You're literally paying money just to see stuff you've already seen many times by that point.

**Warhams-77**

zedmeister wrote:
Looks like Forgeworld are in a bit of flux. With the loss of Alan Bligh, I think there's a bit of a rethink in how they do things. Lifted from Carlisimo from B&C:

-Necromunda will be more detailed than the original, and based on 8th edition rules with alternate activations. No real examples of that complexity other than extra skills tables. Like Blood Bowl, two plastic gangs in the box and resin expansions.

We know this is wrong. And after reading the conversation about the same topic on B&C, especially M_R__Parker's posts, I'm not sure this blog got all things right about FW and future FW events. I agree that things are in a flux, but I don't think there is a strict route set for future FW events like the above GW is taking over, end of open communication. Look how open they have been about the Specialist games for a while now, even though these are relying on GW plastic tech and therefore the facilities of GW. I would give FW feedback about this and then see how they react.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Uhh.. that bolded bit is the worst.

FW was the one group that was out there showing off new stuff like a normal company.

except GW is now showing off new stuff like a normal company, both via the community hub and at events like the ages in advance demos of shadespire

not saying its not going to be a pain for the FW events, although actually seeing stuff in resin is still going to be much better than a single angle shot on a website, but it's not the disaster it would be if we were still in Kirbyland with the information police stamping down on everything until after it was released

**Looky Likey**

I read it as the first preview will be on Warhammer Community then the models will be shown at the shows ahead of the releases. I don't see that as a massive issue, anything big I want to buy I want to see it in the flesh first as you can't always tell from the photos. In fact if you get a heads up of what is coming out at a particular show that should be seen as a good thing as it helps people budget/plan their purchases.

**Yodhrin**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Uhh.. that bolded bit is the worst.

FW was the one group that was out there showing off new stuff like a normal company.

except GW is now showing off new stuff like a normal company, both via the community hub and at events like the ages in advance demos of shadespire

not saying its not going to be a pain for the FW events, although actually seeing stuff in resin is still going to be much better than a single angle shot on a website, but it's not the disaster it would be if we were still in Kirbyland with the information police stamping down on everything until after it was released

Showing a purposefully context-free component of a model and saying "guess what it is lol" isn't showing stuff like a normal company, and aside from Shadespire they're still not previewing things more than a few weeks in advance. I'm not saying modern GW isn't better than the dark days of the Rumor Stasi, but compared to what was seen in recent years at FW events they're still showing us next to nothing.

**Mymearan**

Yodhrin wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Uhh.. that bolded bit is the worst.

FW was the one group that was out there showing off new stuff like a normal company.

except GW is now showing off new stuff like a normal company, both via the community hub and at events like the ages in advance demos of shadespire

not saying its not going to be a pain for the FW events, although actually seeing stuff in resin is still going to be much better than a single angle shot on a website, but it's not the disaster it would be if we were still in Kirbyland with the information police stamping down on everything until after it was released

Showing a purposefully context-free component of a model and saying "guess what it is lol" isn't showing stuff like a normal company, and aside from Shadespire they're still not previewing things more than a few weeks in advance. I'm not saying modern GW isn't better than the dark days of the Rumor Stasi, but compared to what was seen in recent years at FW events they're still showing us next to nothing.

They showed the Death Guard at Adepticon in April, they showed Magnus last year a couple of months in advance, they previewed General's Handbook 2 (released in two weeks) back in February, I'm sure there are more examples.

**warboss**

FWIW, the Chapter Master Valrak youtube channel posted a video saying they asked about Primaris FW support and were told that a superheavy primaris hover tank was in the works. No pics or eta though. He also covered the terminator burger and said he couldn't finish it.

**TalonZahn**

Angelus EOY 2018.......

Rage Intensifies......

**Yodhrin**

Mymearan wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Uhh.. that bolded bit is the worst.

FW was the one group that was out there showing off new stuff like a normal company.

except GW is now showing off new stuff like a normal company, both via the community hub and at events like the ages in advance demos of shadespire

not saying its not going to be a pain for the FW events, although actually seeing stuff in resin is still going to be much better than a single angle shot on a website, but it's not the disaster it would be if we were still in Kirbyland with the information police stamping down on everything until after it was released

Showing a purposefully context-free component of a model and saying "guess what it is lol" isn't showing stuff like a normal company, and aside from Shadespire they're still not previewing things more than a few weeks in advance. I'm not saying modern GW isn't better than the dark days of the Rumor Stasi, but compared to what was seen in recent years at FW events they're still showing us next to nothing.

They showed the Death Guard at Adepticon in April, they showed Magnus last year a couple of months in advance, they previewed General's Handbook 2 (released in two weeks) back in February, I'm sure there are more examples.

When those examples consist of seminars with dozens of pics of various models some more than six months from sale, including WiP sculpts, and cabinets full of miniatures months away from release, they'll counter my point, which again is that while modern GW is better at discussing upcoming releases, they're nowhere near as good as FW had been until now, and so FW switching to the nuGW model is a demonstrable downgrade.