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I read somewhere the planning is scheduled for something like 6 months ahead (not sure about that though but sounds very plausible)
Not holding my breath until then ...

 Mr_Rose wrote:

The Outpost just sent out notification that they are now accepting pre-orders for the 2019 print run, first come first served.

Paid upfront?

 xttz wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Necros wrote:
I think I snoozed and lost ... I thought I read that once the grand master edition sells out, it won't be back until 2019? Says it's out of stock online on GW's site, does that mean it's totally gone for now?

The Outpost just sent out notification that they are now accepting pre-orders for the 2019 print run, first come first served.

What the heck. Why would it take so long for GW to repackage that set if they have all the parts individually?

I can understand needing a couple of months, but sometime in 2019?? Is it just the GME as we know it, or a revised version of it?

The packaging & rulebook almost certainly come from China, meaning a several-week lead time to order more. Plus they may have enough other model production planned in the near future that churning out more batches of warlords & buildings can't happen in the short term.

I just pulled a book at random from a shelf and it said "Printed in EU".

Mendi Warrior wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

The Outpost just sent out notification that they are now accepting pre-orders for the 2019 print run, first come first served.

Paid upfront?

I believe so, based on the way their email was worded. I don’t know because I already have a preorder with them due to arrive on Saturday so I haven’t tried to place another.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

The Outpost just sent out notification that they are now accepting pre-orders for the 2019 print run, first come first served.

Paid upfront?

I believe so, based on the way their email was worded. I don’t know because I already have a preorder with them due to arrive on Saturday so I haven’t tried to place another.

So, giving them a free loan basically, money likely tied for several months and no guarantee to get the reprint …

AT rulebook is printed in China.

 xttz wrote:
GW have specifically said that the GME box is a core product, and that there will be a reprint of the set in 2019. This just looks very much a case of them wanting to avoid another Dreadfleet debacle.

I'd also be very surprised not to see some kind of discounted maniple box once the other titan variants are out. An Axiom set for example could be a Warlord, Reaver and 2 Warhounds for under £100.

Maniple boxes seem like a smart move. a maniple box and rule book strike me as the way you'd "buy into" AT once the game is mature.

Ben2 wrote:
Lots of people are looking at the Dropzone Commander Ruinscape for terrain as it is good and cheap now. It's not super gothic, but comes with 20 buildings of various sizes.

I did a quick video on it.

https://youtu.be/XYxFzKvBeA4

Thanks for this! I immediately found some and ordered it. Paid a little bit more than you did, evidently, but I got a whole darn table full of terrain for the price of one Civitas Imperialis box. I'm contemplating some small binder clips or something to just allow me to flat pack it.

I might have bought the AT terrain, but it looks so different from all the Mechanicus/Imperialis stuff that is put out for 40K scale that it annoyed me. Plus, this is waaaaay cheaper.

Not a fan of card terrain. Still, if you like it and it does the job then go for it. This game is so expensive I can't hate on a person for cutting costs where they can.

I, on the other hand, have a TON of the old plastic ruins from Epic 40k so I'll be seeing if I can use anything there with the new stuff without it looking horrid.

JWBS wrote:

I just pulled a book at random from a shelf and it said "Printed in EU".

They do use EU printers, but the bulk is done in China as it's cheapest. If we're using anecdotal evidence, my 8E rulebook was printed in the UK but my Chapter Approved and all 3 codexes are from China.

Card terrain also has the bonus that many kinds of it can be dismantled and packed fairly flat; good for a terrain heavy game where you might not be able to store terrain on-site and thus have to carry it with you to the game.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s a successful launch I’d say. Just need to see if has staying power. And we won’t know that until we’ve got our grubby mitts on it, and start to see expansion of the range.

Me?

How many GMEs were made? Seems like 1000 from GW online and a few more amongst the bigger stores in the UK.
It may have been a success in terms of 'a sell out' but so many more people wanted it and are now waiting for a year. Will those people still be so interested then? I'd call a success a close to sell out with everyone that wanted one getting one.
#imissedouttoo

It's only until Christmas not a year until a new boxed set is made. Plus the Warlords, Knights, terrain and rules are all being sold in individual boxes so they are most certainly not locked out of the game; just out of the "free warlord" boxed set (and lets face it in a few months time most of those who are big fans might well buy a second kit and put the rules up on ebay because 2 more warhounds and a few knights and terrain will be worth it).

Also there's reavers and warhounds to come this year in their own boxes so there is more than enough to encourage most to keep up.


I figure the number of people who can't get the main box who give up totally or until its out again, is a very small number of people in general. For most I'd wager they'll take up the store offers of higher discount or just buy up the regular items anyway.


The only limited item was the coin, a collectors neat item but not anything need for the game itself.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:


How many GMEs were made? Seems like 1000 from GW online and a few more amongst the bigger stores in the UK.
It may have been a success in terms of 'a sell out' but so many more people wanted it and are now waiting for a year. Will those people still be so interested then? I'd call a success a close to sell out with everyone that wanted one getting one.
#imissedouttoo

A lot more. 1000 was the number of special coins for the first, the proper number is most likely some tens of thousands. Still relatively conservative, as they didn't want to overstock before gauging out the market, but large enough to avoid another Shadow Wars debacle. And as Andy Hoare said, if it sells like this they'll put a new batch out, most likely for Christmas.

Has anyone got rough pots costs of the 3 Titan classes?

I believe a warlord with guns is about 500pts but what about reavers and Warhounds?

Thankyou in advance

 Breotan wrote:
Not a fan of card terrain. Still, if you like it and it does the job then go for it. This game is so expensive I can't hate on a person for cutting costs where they can.

I, on the other hand, have a TON of the old plastic ruins from Epic 40k so I'll be seeing if I can use anything there with the new stuff without it looking horrid.

If I had the old Epic terrain, I might not have gotten this at all.

But I do like the fact that it has loads of buildings (20), including some large enough to completely block LOS to a Warlord. Plus, I'd be gaming at a FLGS, so having easily transportable terrain is a huge benefit for me.

Well, I guess I'll have to wait for the 2019 re-cut. Might pick up a couple of titans. To be honest, I've always loved warhounds.

And, by the time it arrives, in this format; I might finally pick me up a plastic Thunderhawk.

It sounds to me like two titans could really struggle to kill each other 1v1, but that things could really change with more numbers involved. At that point you start to be able to focus a titan down faster than it can regenerate.

I think it’s a real shame the warlord comes with such a bad load out. So on top of the megabucks for the box you will have to shell out even more just to have a sensible set of guns. At least the reaver comes with a bunch of options.

Mandragola wrote:
It sounds to me like two titans could really struggle to kill each other 1v1, but that things could really change with more numbers involved. At that point you start to be able to focus a titan down faster than it can regenerate.

I think it’s a real shame the warlord comes with such a bad load out. So on top of the megabucks for the box you will have to shell out even more just to have a sensible set of guns. At least the reaver comes with a bunch of options.

I suspect they're expecting most people to just use the cards and not obsess over WYSIWYG. at least initally

Yeah, in the interview they released today the guy said that they included the other weapon cards so people could use them before the upgrade packs are actually released.

Question for the people that ordered the GME from Miniature Market: Did you get put on a waitlist? Im thinking about ordering it there, but if they've got a waitlist too theres no point.

 zend wrote:
Yeah, in the interview they released today the guy said that they included the other weapon cards so people could use them before the upgrade packs are actually released.

Yeah and I suspect by time the upgrader packs come out the community as a whole will have developed a "just be clear whats on your cards and what goes with what" mentality

Well laddos looks like I'm in for a box. Not sure if I should paint them half and half traitor and loyalist or all one big force.

 ph34r wrote:
Well laddos looks like I'm in for a box. Not sure if I should paint them half and half traitor and loyalist or all one big force.

Unless you enjoy idea of buying several separate warlords one big

 ph34r wrote:
Well laddos looks like I'm in for a box. Not sure if I should paint them half and half traitor and loyalist or all one big force.

Could just paint them as tempestus and if need be say half turned traitor. Not to mention this legio is one of the two to have rules at the start.

 Thargrim wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Well laddos looks like I'm in for a box. Not sure if I should paint them half and half traitor and loyalist or all one big force.

Could just paint them as tempestus and if need be say half turned traitor. Not to mention this legio is one of the two to have rules at the start.

Thats what I'd do.


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tneva82 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Well laddos looks like I'm in for a box. Not sure if I should paint them half and half traitor and loyalist or all one big force.

Unless you enjoy idea of buying several separate warlords one big

eh not really, the basic orginization scheme for titans in AT is gonna be the Maniple. and I suspect only one will feature multiple Warlords is the Myrmadon Maniple. which I bet won't be all that common. More common will be the Axiom Maniple, which consists of 1 warlord 2 reivers and 2 warhounds.

Mendi Warrior wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

The Outpost just sent out notification that they are now accepting pre-orders for the 2019 print run, first come first served.

Paid upfront?

I believe so, based on the way their email was worded. I don’t know because I already have a preorder with them due to arrive on Saturday so I haven’t tried to place another.

So, giving them a free loan basically, money likely tied for several months and no guarantee to get the reprint …

Spoiler:

Maybe you get your number in the queue (like with my internet provider "you are number 256 in the queue, please hold the line")

Yeah let's loan good money to the twits who oversold their clearly limited stock in the first place

EDIT: I've been informed that The Outpost did not oversell, that it will fulfill all its pre-orders and that they are, as a result, not twits. My apologies!

 General Helstrom wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

The Outpost just sent out notification that they are now accepting pre-orders for the 2019 print run, first come first served.

Paid upfront?

I believe so, based on the way their email was worded. I don’t know because I already have a preorder with them due to arrive on Saturday so I haven’t tried to place another.

So, giving them a free loan basically, money likely tied for several months and no guarantee to get the reprint …

Spoiler:

Maybe you get your number in the queue (like with my internet provider "you are number 256 in the queue, please hold the line")

Yeah let's loan good money to the twits who oversold their clearly limited stock in the first place

The Phrase "a fool and his money" come to mind

 General Helstrom wrote:

Now, whether GW oversold through its own website and is now filling those orders at the expense of retailers is a different matter.

That is not how retail works. The supplier notifies retailers of a product, the availability of the product, and (if limited) their allocation to buy. Once allocated GW have no more ability to withhold or recall stock from suppliers to sell again than they do to recall and resell it from you. The retailer buys stock within their allocation, it is then theirs to sell to customers. GW Retail is treated as a retailer just like everyone else, it receives an allocation from GW Supply.
My understanding is that Element actually had a larger allocation than GW Retail. Although that information may be wrong. The number I heard was in the thousands of units.
To be asked to believe that Element did not know exactly what they would be getting at least a week beforehand stretches credulity to breaking point. They are one of GW's main partners, there is no way they didn't know their allocation when other, smaller, retailers were warning people of precise allocations on Thursday.

What Element seem to have done is commit a Misrepresentation under the Act of 1967. IE selling goods they did not have and could not supply, now whether this was negligent misrepresentation (they cocked up) or fraudulent misrepresentation (they knew full well they were overselling) we can't prove. However, the content and tone of their email indicates fraudulent motive to me.
They are offering a 'remedy' which psychologically captures customers at a lower but still profitable price band

Their email explicitly blames GW and positions them as doing you a favour because they know people will be predisposed to blame GW. It is also why they say that the Grand Master Edition will not be coming back, despite GW saying on stream, and in the order sheet they sent to retailers, that it will be reprinted in 2019.
They are trying to create the feeling of urgency that if the customer refuses this 'generous' offer they will miss out forever.
By the way, their offer as well as costing you £21 more than their contract with you stated, delivers half the scenery you would get in the GME box.
It's disgusting and dishonest.

Personally I would hold them to the contract they entered into, the goods paid for (or equivalent in individual kits) at the price paid. Especially if they, as they did with me, took money at the moment of sale.
UK law (under which Element operates) requires that if a party sells you something, you get that thing. Not a subsequent request to pay for more and get less.

If what I'm saying is wrong and there is a terrible global shortage of stock, there will be myriad stories flooding in throughout the week as other suppliers are told the bad news.
I do not believe this will happen.

As to why would Element do this, they're so big? There are many possible reasons. Personally I think they figured they could squeeze a few hundred (or thousand) extra sales and get away blame free.

vegeta365 wrote:
Has anyone got rough pots costs of the 3 Titan classes?

I believe a warlord with guns is about 500pts but what about reavers and Warhounds?

Thankyou in advance

Warlord with the default load out is 385 + 15 + 55 + 55 = 510. The volcano cannons are the most expensive arm option, so Warlords can be a bit cheaper than this.

Reavers are 250pts basic, weapons are 10-35pts each

Warhounds are 180pts with weapons for 10-30pts each

 xttz wrote:

Warlord with the default load out is 385 + 15 + 55 + 55 = 510. The volcano cannons are the most expensive arm option, so Warlords can be a bit cheaper than this.

Reavers are 250pts basic, weapons are 10-35pts each

Warhounds are 180pts with weapons for 10-30pts each

1,370. So an axiom maniple + knights is about 1500. For bigger, Epic scale games, you're looking at 3,000-4,000 points which, incidentally, were the points sizes for previous Epic games.

Interesting points. A couple of remarks/questions. For clarity they are not an attempt at defending anyone. Much more me trying to understand.

Rod Hull wrote:
My understanding is that Element actually had a larger allocation than GW Retail. Although that information may be wrong. The number I heard was in the thousands of units.

The whispered number for GME boxes I read a couple of times was 20,000 for the whole world, to be split between GW Retail and independent retailers.
If Element had allocations in the thousands of units, how is it that at 10:01 UK time the GME already appeared as unavailable? Was it then pre-sold? How is it possible to sell thousands of units in less than a minute without the website crashing (we read about another one where the website crashed at release time)?

I checked their website as they typically offer discounts and that would have been nice to buy the GME with a nice discount.

I got in touch with them a couple of days before the 11th to enquire about AT, pricing and availability in particular, and they were very tight lipped, I got zero information, I was only advised not to wait too long on release day before ordering. My understanding is that they were contractually bound not to say anything before the official release time (which seems logical).

I wonder if the allocations were inversely proportional to the level of discount offered.

Rod Hull wrote:
It is also why they say that the Grand Master Edition will not be coming back.

They do not explicitly say it will not be coming back as they use the word "unlikely", which I agree conveys the impression that it would not be coming back.

I think it will be interesting to see if there are some details about AT in the next batch of financial statements but that is another story.








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 zedmeister wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Warlord with the default load out is 385 + 15 + 55 + 55 = 510. The volcano cannons are the most expensive arm option, so Warlords can be a bit cheaper than this.

Reavers are 250pts basic, weapons are 10-35pts each

Warhounds are 180pts with weapons for 10-30pts each

1,370. So an axiom maniple + knights is about 1500. For bigger, Epic scale games, you're looking at 3,000-4,000 points which, incidentally, were the points sizes for previous Epic games.

Drooling, envisioning ATA games