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Yeah title explains my question.

Is Isha of the Eldar Gods Still Alive?

Because all the Eldar say all of their gods have died. But One Craftworld says Isha Survived to be used as Nurgles Test machine for viruses.

Is this a hope for all the Eldar if they could free from her imprisonment?

I have consulted all of the books i have. And the interwebs. And They all contradict each other! Ugh! Please aid me in putting to rest this beast! Also please write down why you believe this thanks.

Thanks in Advance!

Cam/Ash,


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Uhh noone wants to answer this?

The Chaos Daemons Codex says she's alive.
I would say Yes, since it states she whispers to mortals about how to cure diseases she's ingested (yummy!)
If you really think you could beat ALL of nurgledom, go for it

From what I've seen it's mostly accepted that Isha is still alive in the Garden of Nurgle.

Some sources even go so far as to say that Nurgle is, in fact, in love with Isha, but his nature as a Chaos God causes him to express himself by poisoning her. Supposedly, it was this attraction that drove Nurgle to save Isha from the clutches of Slaanesh in the first place.

Keep in mind that the background material concerning the Warp is often deliberately contradictory and vague. And that's before dealing with the canonical time travel paradoxes.

In the same manner that Slaanesh always existed yet was birthed around M30-M31, an Eldar god could easily be simultaneously dead and trapped in a cage in Nurgle's kitchen.

But, is there hope for the Eldar if they could free her from imprisonment? According to the Chaos Daemons book, there's hope while she's imprisoned, but it's GrimDark so there's no actual hope allowed for anyone.

Thank you. ?*bows head* that means that the eldar aren't screwed.

i voted all did i win?

>.< Opps. Anyway Isha is alive.

Nurgle had a crush on Isha, but has no social skills, so he just abducted her.

Mr Nobody wrote:Nurgle had a crush on Isha, but has no social skills, so he just abducted her.

Wow Surprising that sounds like the same thing as every single teenager I know of...

Yes, Isha lives in the Garden of Nurgle. The Plague God feeds Isha every new disesase he creates, and sees how long it takes her to defeat it.

He feeds her "love" and what woman doesn't like a husband who cooks?

Love is a disease made by nurgle? Really?? I thought it was Khorne!

Eldar god are not like Chaos 'god' daemon entity embodiments. Daemons exist in warp as a result of belief, gods , like true gods rather than warp manifested entities called gods, exist in myths and stories. The only Eldar gods that truly exist as entities are the anger-management king Khaine and smart-ass Ceggorach, and possibly the counter of the dead guy who's name slips my mind, as there is a belief in their physical manifestation or eventual manifestation(as personified by the avatar and the harlequins, and the wraiths) the rest of the eldar pantheon is about as 'real' as zeus is to a modern day earth person. if enough people believe it, it becomes manifest in the warp though.

Lemme see.. according to chaos dexes- Isha is alive!

She is held by Nurgle in his mansion,in a cage by His cauldron. He feeds her new diseases, and judges their virility by the time it takes her to heal herself. When he is working on a new strain, she whispers cures to mortals.

Yeah?

Keep in mind that much of the talk of the gods is metaphorical. It is unlikely that the Garden of Nurgle is a literal place, rather that Isha has been consumed by Nurgle's pantheon and is now an aspect of it. She represents the regrowth and fecundity that is a part of Nurgle as well as hope for a cure (that likely never comes and instead just becomes a carrier host).

The warp is a reflection of emotional energy, a metaphor here could be reality there, at least if enough people belive in the metaphor.

I know about the warp entity crap. But it is theorized the eldar gods are Old ones.

I voted yes because its a really cool piece of fluff IMO~!

If the Eldar Gods were true warp entities, shouldn't all of them be alive? I mean the Eldar still believe in them so shouldn't they be essentially immortal? Or does believeing they're all dead make them dead?

The Eldar gods can't be old ones, as the last old ones were annihilated during the Enslaver plague, whereas the Eldar gods survived at least until the birth of She Who Thirsts, or until the modern day for the Laughing God; Ynnead, god of the dead is currently being born of all the spirits of the the dead focused through the infinity circuits. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ynnead

I feel that they occupy some strange middle ground between warp entities and iconic concepts of the eldar. If they existed as true entities of the warp, they would/should have been destroyed by the chaos gods, but they didn't suffer that fate until Slanesh was born. I think the best interpretation is that the Eldar gods are their progenitors created by the Old Ones, the advanced psychic might of the Eldar lending them power. This caused them to become "gods" bound by the beliefs of the Eldar, but also lent strength by those beliefs. Only when the vast majority of their worshipers were destroyed were they left vulnerable.

95% of all the eldar race say she died along with all the other gods (except Khaine and Ceggorach). In the deamons codex it just says that 1 little craftworld thinks she survived. Ynnead doesn't even exist and its not even known if he/she will ever exist, it is just thought by some great farseers that the infinity circuit might create a new god when the last of the craftworld eldar die out.

The only Eldar gods that have any evidence of existing are Khaine (via avatars) and the Laughing God through the harlequins not needing spirit stones. The fact that there is no proof for Isha's survival and that the vast majority of their race seem to know she died would suggest that she did. If there was evidence of her living why wouldn't all the Eldar believe her to be alive?

Incomplete or non-existent information is one reason nearly all Elder can believe her maybe dead while she could be alive and vice-versa for that one craftworld. It is in the realm possibility the craftworld could've came upon the information Isha she is alive.

The same thing could be said of all the GW folklore. Ambiguity and misinformation are great for myth telling.

Just because one little Eldar faction keep a torch burning for her doesn't mean there's enough 'faith' to constitute a warp being manifesting itself. It just depends on who you ask. Eldar believe she is gone, Nurglites believe they scored a point.

The difference in warhammer is that enough faith makes things real, whereas in our own theological constructs, millions of devoutly religious cultists in the real world still can't make Jesus suddenly appear in a flash of faith to whisk them away and damn all the unbelievers. They just have to wait wondering if maybe it'll happen tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day etc.

Faith is a dangerous thing in 40k 'reality'. Whereas in our own it is just an annoyance for those who don't believe to have to hear other people claiming their unprovable beliefs as true, and yeah in some cases, their followers are scary and dangerous, but in 40k they actually are literally and sometimes physically true, not just 'might be true'.

This why I can concede that Isha MAY actually be alive, but until enough of the Eldar believe this, it just ain't happening in any real or manifest way like is perceptable as Khaine or Ceggy. You can not-believe-in-demons all you want until the Bloodthirster literally comes knocking on your door to drink your blood and devour your skull and fillet your bowels and so on.

It's sort of like the early Christian martyrs but in reverse. All the faith and belief in the world still didn't save them from being killed for whatever reason in whatever horrible way. In 40k, all those saints would have actually had Archangael Michael show up with a big god-sword and literally answer their prayers for salvation by slaying the heathens who were trying to persecute them. There wouldn't be much need for devout faith and martyrdom and saints and such if GOD (or one of his minions) actually did show up from time to time when enough people made enough noise.

REAL WORLD HYPOTHETICAL CONVERSATION:
1st Christian: "God is my salvation, If you kill me, I will be martyred and live forever in paradise, and you will be cursed by my GOD"
Roman: "suit yourself. Nail him up guys..."
2nd Christian: "Rejoice for he is now a saint because God is on our team!"
Roman: "okay buddy, but you're next y'know? dammit I have this rash itching my butt"
3rd Christian: "That is because our GOD is punishing you! See he is mighty and full of wrath!"
Roman: "No it's because its A.D.60 and hygene isn't so great, but anyways, next..."

40K WORLD HYPOTHETICAL CONVERSATION:
1st Christian: "our GOD is powerful! You will suffer for your heathen ways, etc etc..."
Roman: "Nail him up guys.... (sigh)"
-poof-flash of light and feathers and glowing sword-
ARCHANGEAL: NO, THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN (whack whack chop chop)
2nd Roman: "ohhhhh sh!t... dude wasn't kidding... let the Christian go!"
ARCHANGEAL: DAMN RIGHT YOU WILL

Maybe Nurgle followers keep her idea alive by belief in a symbolic idea of her imprisonment they can gloat about, but that isn't the Eldar deity any more, that's a warp construct of Nurglites that they call Isha, not the Isha that the Eldar believe used to be and died with the fall.

Guitardian wrote:
Maybe Nurgle followers keep her idea alive by belief in a symbolic idea of her imprisonment they can gloat about, but that isn't the Eldar deity any more, that's a warp construct of Nurglites that they call Isha, not the Isha that the Eldar believe used to be and died with the fall.

Brings up the idea the Nurglites may have reincarnated or resurrected her and the thought of it being true is worse than her being perma-dead for most Eldar.