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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 12:17:00
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Studs, and liver spots!
Automatically Appended Next Post: One stud... and liver spots! (though they're faint)
Sealer just went on, then the grass effects... then done. I must admit to being a little uncertain about the camo on the cloak. Right now it's just a deep, rich brown with the dark green interior (reversible?). Under most circumstances that would probably work pretty well... but I don't know if I should go further and make it look like the basing or not. The base color of the cloak is the same color as the basing... so I always have that option. Could even try static-grassing parts of the cloak (like the base)... perhaps that would be a bit over the top. I also ringed it in that same brown... have always ringed my figs in black to make the stand out more... but I thought I'd experiment with something different.
Pic tonight. Once this fig is done I'm going to have to take a break from modeling as we have house guests coming over this weekend *and* a cub scout camping trip to prepare for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 14:22:05
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
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Gitsplitta wrote:Thank you c34.... smarmy.... but it did the trick!
Scoutmaster Sergeant Darius Stone of the Mantis Warriors
(Telion Equivalent)
Darius Stone is old… how old is a matter of much speculation amongst the new recruits he guides, encourages and bludgeons into being worthy of assuming the role of full Space Marines, but it is certain he is the oldest living Mantis Warrior not encased within dreadnought armor. He was old before the rebellion of the Badab War, back when the Mantis Warriors fought side-by-side with the Ulramarines on Speculis 7 near the Tannhauser Gate during the Crux Campaign. He was old when he was granted special permission by Marneus Calgar himself to train and learn from Sergeant Telion. As the scoutmaster for the Mantis Warriors it was his duty to learn everything he could from Telion. Telion had perfected his role of master scout and trainer in service to the Ultramarines. With Telion's guidance Stone learned new skills, and used them to improve the training of the new Mantis Warrior recruits... then to his everlasting shame, saw them used in defiance of the Emperor during the Badab War.
During the "Dark Times" of the crusade, the scouts all eventually matriculated forwards into the body of chapter as full marines. With no new recruits, Stone was assigned to the Sternguard and served well until the chapter was recalled by the Inquisition. Though Stone relished his time with the esteemed cadre’ of veterans, many of whom he trained and served with on that fabled campaign… he longed for the challenge of molding young recruits into Space Marines once again. When the recall order came, no man in the chapter was happier than Stone.
Darius Stone has never been more important to the Chapter than he is at this moment. The Mantis Warriors were closer to extinction than anyone is willing to admit, and the future of the Chapter has been put squarely into his hands as Scoutmaster. His detachment, nicknamed the “Stone Cold Killers” now makes up the bulk of the Mantis Warrior tactical array, and is typically fielded in 3 squads. Stone himself takes command of a large sniper unit while the two other units are split into combat squads, ½ snipers, ½ close-assault mounted in Land Speeder Storms. All recruits take part in all aspects of warfare, so when they accept their responsibilities as full battle-brothers they can be assigned as needed and ensure the survival of the Mantis Warriors. But Stone IS old... and is known by his fellow marines not by the traditional term "battle brother", but by the term "battle father"... to signify the fact that most of the surviving members of the Chapter were trained by his hand, and his lessons in no small part, kept them alive during the Dark Times.
(Edited to fix some confusing phrasing... & a bit of added content)
Awesome stuff. Little snippets of fluff like this are why I am getting into this game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 14:53:40
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
where am I? *looks around* Well i'm...errr...I...I...don't know!
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I filed the symbol off his gun, ut the stalker pattern isn't just for telion to my knowledge, I think it is just a very rare modified bolter.
I like the fluff and the model looks good. To break up the green colour i would actually suggest a dark blue, but if done it doesn't really matter.
Keep up I to am enjoying your blogs!
Imp. Monkey
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 15:07:55
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Emboldened Warlock
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Looking great, only problem with the mantis arms is that the bent arm has the extended claw, and the extended arm has the closed claw, doesnt really make sense, they should close as you draw your arm back.
Scoutmater looking good, how about a grey cloak? Would look good!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 15:15:40
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thanks guys, I appreciate all the support. I think I did a pretty good job with him (my kids like him too)... however, I'm always open to suggestions. So while I'll post a pic tonight of the finished model... it is my no means "done". Please feel free to suggest changes or modifications as you like. I'm not sure if I'm going to camo the cloak before I post the pic tonight or not... still very uncertain as to how I'm going to go about it. I have an idea, but it may not translate well and I'd hate to ruin the fig. The other thing I'd like to do for him is a hood, not that his head isn't cool... but it would help set him apart from other "Telions"... but that will also wait. Think I'm going to experiment on making hoods on other unpainted figs (use them almost like an armature) & if I like it well enough I'll transfer it over.
Push comes to shove I can always cover up the Ultramarine symbol on the gun with a purity seal, but I thought it was a nice little nod to the appearance of the Ultra's in my fluff for the character.
@Imp. Monkey: How would you use the dark blue? Put it on the inside of the cloak somewhere or did you have something else in mind?
@Xenith: I agree completely.... that was actually how I saw them working as well... not exactly sure how I screwed it up when I made the model... but it is just the prototype, I'll fix that for the rest of the squad (think I used plastic glue on the sword arms so he's pretty well stuck as is.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 15:57:45
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Blood Angel Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
A Storm Harbinger
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You should totally make the hood for the Telion figure
It would look pretty cool..
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: Dropping onto you right NOW!!
2500 pts.
For the emprah!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 20:38:47
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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The Camo cloaks are reactive I think, always changing to match their environment so painting them to match the base makes sense.....personally I'm not too fond of greenery stuck on cloaks unless your planning on doing ghillie suits for the whole sniper squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 20:40:27
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Wing Commander
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Loving the Scout Master fluff Gitsplitta, little things like that set blogs apart.
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"In the Grim Darkness of the far future; there is only countless Requisition Forms, filled in Triplicate."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/18 20:48:49
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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@BLACKHAND: I tend to agree, that's one of the reasons I didn't jump right into it & have been hesitating. Right now I'm thinking of trying to paint a rock-like pattern on the cloak to mimic the gravel & rocks on the basing. Maybe I can do abstract patches of color similar to that of the static grass. We'll see how it goes. Ghillie suits might be fun to do, but I'm not there yet. Perhaps I'll do one of the small sniper combat squads in "swamp" mode and the other in ghillie suits... Telion's squad would be more-or-less straight up. That way the really difficult stuff (water bases and ghillie suits) are only needed for 5 guys rather than 10. If I really like them of course, I can always make more later.
@DE: Thanks! Wish the inspiration would come more regularly. Usually I get these little flashes with my orks and I write 'em up for my kids... this is really the first time I've done one for my marines. It was fun to do... just kind of percolated around in my noggin for a day before I started writing it up, then about half-a-day of occasional editing and revising. I'm hoping I can come up with something for at least some of my other figures... maybe a character or two, the two vet squads & a dread or so. I know not to push it though... the good stories just kind of happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 01:38:12
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
In a Toyota, plotting revenge.
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I like it! Some retouching and take into account the suggestions and it'll be good to go!
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metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
metallifan said: The Imperium would probably love Hitler...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 01:42:20
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Scoutmaster Stone is done!)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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OK folks... for better or worse... here we are.
Front view...
Side view...
And from the rear showing my attempt to match the cloak to the base...
Fire away!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 01:45:49
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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I really like it! The brown and green look amazing.
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:RIP: E.A.R.
:RIP: N.A.B.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 01:48:49
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
In a Toyota, plotting revenge.
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I like it! Great to see a stealth master who's not covered in highly visble blue armour that provides a nice bright target for enemies.
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metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
metallifan said: The Imperium would probably love Hitler...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 02:12:17
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
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Are his eyes green? Thats dedication to camo-ism lol
Great camo on the cape and you made the right choice having his cape green on the inside.
Whats next?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 02:37:04
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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The cloak came up aces 'spltta, glad to see that someone else likes ol' Telion he's a great model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 02:42:26
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Awesome as always - and this time, especially the camo cloak - fantastic!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 03:06:09
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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@tony: Thank you! It was a group effort to be sure.
@Munch: I agree, it's always tough with marines because their liveries kind of eliminate the possibility of camo... luckily for my my chapter is based on a very stealthy insect.
@gretar: Actually, I never painted his pupils... it's where the black wash I put on the eye sockets bled through the whites a bit & gives him kind of a foggy grey/green pupil. Thought it was an appropriate image for an old fart space marine. He probably needs that contraption on his head just to read...
@alpha: Thank you so much... I was really worried about how it would come out, but it worked...
What's next?? Slave driver! Well, the immediate future involves lots of house cleaning to prepare for guests on Sunday (but there will be a 40k game with the guy who got me started in 40k 20+ years ago) and cub scout camping on Friday and Saturday.
OHHHHHH.... you mean what FIGURE is next?  At the moment I only have one prototype remaining, that's the vanguard. He can cool his jets in pinesol or simplegreen until I'm ready to deal with him next week. Then I'll paint 'im up! Once he's done... I'll probably go back to the sternguard, finish painting the 3 others that are already built, then build and paint the rest of the squad. If I'm not sick of that camo pattern by that point, I'll do my Pedro Cantor equivalent next so I have a commander. Then.... if the parts arrive from over-seas, I'll begin work on my MoTF because I really need him to make the army work.
Beyond that, priority goes to those things that are required to make the army either look or play in-line with the vision we all worked on at the beginning of this blog. In essence...
LS Storms (2)
Non-sniper scouts (10)
Vanguard (10)
Venerable Dread
2 Drop Pods (dread & stern)
Jet Bike squadron w/ attack bike ( RT land speeder)
I also bought enough extra sniper scouts to do a 5 man unit of swamp scouts and a 5-man unit in ghillie suits, but I actually have enough snipers to run the army without them. Those are just fun projects for next year's Adepticon (hopefully).
There are also some non-essentials that I'd like to do to give me a bit of flexibility...
Iron Clad Dread
Vulcan
TF Cannon
Tech & servitors
Command Squad
Assault Terminators
And their will be occasional re-painting of old dreadnoughts (I have 5), my terminators and my regular LS squadron.
This is, of course... a ton of work... but I think I can get through the essentials this year, in time to field some kind of finished, unique MW army at Adepticon next year, which is my immediate goal. By the year after that, I should have it completed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 05:08:50
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Scoutmaster Darius / Telion complete!)
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
OH-I Wanna get out of here
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Wow talk about goals! Im happy if I just get a few guys polished off in a week.
Sgt Stone looks like he is ready to get those damn orks off his lawn. lol.
Depending on what kind of mood the customs guy is in, they can get here in as few as 5 days to like 2 weeks (mine took 5 days).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 12:47:51
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Scoutmaster Darius / Telion complete!)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Meh, the whole thing points out to around 6000 pts, but only about 3000 is really necessary... and I already own most of the models, so it's just a matter of re-painting.
Speaking of which, I wrote up a sample army list that I would like some feedback on. It's very fluffly, but by this time you guys know that fluff is the major driving factor for this army. That being said... if you have suggestions for improvement that are consistent with the theme and the fluff... please jump in. I certainly don't want to get my arse handed to me every time I play.
Pts: 1847
Tranquility Detachment
HQ: Pedro Cantor (will run with sternguard)
Elite: Sternguard (Tranquility Snipers) - 10, 2 HF, 3 combi-melta, srg w/ combi-flmr & power fist, drop pod w/ DWML
Elite: Venerable Dreadnought - TLAutoCannons, CCW, drop pod w/ DWML
Scout Detachment
Troop: Sniper Scouts (10) w/ Telion, ML, camo cloaks
Troop: Mixed Scout 1 - 2 combat squads, (ML, 4 snipers),( 4 bolt guns, Srg w/ combi-melta & PF), camo cloaks
Troop: Mixed Scout 2 - 2 combat squads, (ML, 4 snipers),( 4 bolt guns, Srg w/ bolt pistol & PF), camo cloaks
FA: LS Storm w/ MM
FA: LS Storm w/ MM
Longbow Detachment
Elite: Dreadnought w/ TL lascannons, ML, drop pod
Heavy: Thunderfire Cannon w/ tech marine
Notes:
- The drop pod for the Longbow dread exists solely to allow the sternguard and their dread to deploy simultaneously on turn 1 using "drop pod assault".
- Stone's (Telion's) snipers and the two sniper elements of the other units deploy rearward to hold objectives and provide suppressing fire, while the two other combat squads & sergeants load up into the LS Storms to outflank and cause issues in the enemy's rear.
- The Thunderfire gives a little template fire support & some interesting effects, as well as getting a Tech Marine onto the field, which is fluffy.
- I am uncertain of the configuration of the venerable given it's role in providing close-support to the sternguard, no question the autocannon is the most "fluffy" given that this is supposed to be a former tranquility sniper turned dreadnought... but I suspect an assault cannon would be a lot more useful.
- the army has effectively 6 scoring units... though 4 of them are small and rather fragile, and 5 of them can infiltrate
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 21:24:44
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Wing Commander
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That Telion looks great mate. If that's the standard all your scouts will be painted to I eagerly awaite more.
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"In the Grim Darkness of the far future; there is only countless Requisition Forms, filled in Triplicate."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/19 22:43:12
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Blood Angel Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
A Storm Harbinger
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That Telion is so cool it makes my eyes hurt.
Also, do you plan to use sentinels as an allied force?
They might fit the whole "jungle" theme well..
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: Dropping onto you right NOW!!
2500 pts.
For the emprah!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 00:02:05
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thank you both. I am very wary that allied forces will be around for long, though there have been a couple of very good suggestions for such over the course of the blog. So at the moment... I'm sticking with a no-ally build. If events change my opinion... I'll change my build accordingly.
I don't really intend the army to be a jungle force, though I suppose that would make sense if they were still on their home world. I'm kind of doing the rocky grassland thing. Not a wasteland exactly, more of a high plain or steppe. The swamp scouts will be consistent with this theme, even though they'll be modeled in water. Not exactly sure how I'll do the Ghillie suits given this, but I have time to kick it around as that project is pretty far down the line.
Well, today I got a bunch of bits for the scouts (can someone please explain to me how I could buy enough bodies, heads and weapons for 20 scouts... and not buy a single pair of legs for them??). Also got a heavy flamer to use with the sternguard, couple of cool hanging banner thingies to use on my dreds... and a couple of other odd little bits that I have no idea why I bought them (at least they were cheap).
Also got my MoTF... or at least the figure I'm going to convert into the MoTF. Boy is he going to take some serious modification.. if done right though... he should be very cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 00:05:02
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
OH-I Wanna get out of here
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Gitsplitta wrote:
Well, today I got a bunch of bits for the scouts (can someone please explain to me how I could buy enough bodies, heads and weapons for 20 scouts... and not buy a single pair of legs for them??).
LOL
Glad the model came in, pretty fast shipping from overseas IMO. Makes me a bit sad such a rare model will be chopped up, but looking forward to seeing him!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 01:00:22
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm still debating honestly... I still want to do the pre-herasy death guard... but that's so far down the road that by the time I get there, I'll be able to afford to buy another one. Problem is I don't really like any of the other options for a MoTF... and it just *begs* for a conversion (of course, because there's no MoTF figure). I think I've figured out a way to make him a little more sanely sized... the legs on the fig are rediculously long, so if I trim the tattered cloak strips that are modeled on the legs (no biggie) I think I can pretty seamlessly take a section out of each thigh... which should bring him a little closer to a reasonable size. He'll still be big, but if I model him right it might not be too noticible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 01:39:47
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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I'm crying blood. The painting is beautiful.
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Ultramarines Legion 138th Company
Ultramarines Legion 19th Reserve Armour Company
Merican 1st Infantry "Merican Legion" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 03:02:17
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
OH-I Wanna get out of here
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You shoulda ordered two! lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 04:09:34
Subject: Re:Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Oy!! No bleedin' on the mini...
I'm happy with it. Still room for improvement, but I think I've come quite a ways in the last few months. Just going to be a long, slow process to give each fig this type of treatment... but at the moment, that's what I intend to do.
WM: Naah, at this point... one's enough. Once I get the legs fixed he'll be a pretty easy mini to convert. Arms, cloak and one leg are all separate so can be easily modified or swapped out as needed. Main issue will be inventing some convincing looking claws for the arms (dread and ork claws are wayyy too big). Probably just have to sculpt them out of green stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 07:11:15
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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Am I missing something? What was the fig you ordered in for the MOTF? or are you keeping it under wraps for the mo?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 08:05:29
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
where am I? *looks around* Well i'm...errr...I...I...don't know!
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Did you get the Heavy flamer on its own, if so WHERE???!? I want to get one for my sternguard, but don't want to shell out £25 for the terminators box... yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/20 08:52:43
Subject: Rebuilding the Mantis Warriors (Army List example - new)
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That telion is amazing. Can't wait to see the camo cloaks on the regular snipers.
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