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 Polonius wrote:
I just got an email from Games and Stuff, which is arguably the biggest mid atlantic gaming store, and they're putting all but the core WMH stuff on 75% clearance.

As summer winds down, we are moving around lots of stuff here at the shop. Making room for new lines, consolidating others, and expanding even more!

One thing we are doing is consolidating the Warmachine and Hordes lines down to what Privateer considers "Core products" and moving out a lot of extra stock we have.

So as we do that, you win! We have put almost the ENTIRE LINE* on sale at a huge 75% off! This is crazy (must be the heat). So come in and take advantage of this insane sale! This sale cannot be combined with any other discounts (like our 10% off Survey Reward that you should fill out if you haven't had a chance to complete yet)!

ONLY WHILE SUPPLIES LAST!

Sale prices apply to everything in the Warmachine line except P3 Paints and August New Releases.


Wow, that's crazy! Games and Stuff is in my area, and that's a pretty good indication of how hard the game crashed here... they used to carry the absolute entire line. 75% off from them (on an entire range!) is just unheard of

Shame it sounds like from Polonius' later post that I missed the good stuff, though = /
   
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MaxT wrote:
Completely anecdotal, but was at Gen Con and the large PP booth was very, very quiet every time i saw it. It really stood out in it's emptiness. They were pushing Monsterpocolypse rather than Warmahordes, but that seemed to be getting very little interest either. They must have spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on the sponsorship and booth size and i think it's impossible they didn't make a hefty loss.


One of the things that does frustrate me about PP is that they often sink time and effort into products or games that nobody asked for. The re-doing of MonPoc is an example of this. Along with some of their other small or stand alone games. With MonPoc the call for its return in the community was deafening. Well it must have been. Because I couldn't hear anything........
   
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Sunno wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Completely anecdotal, but was at Gen Con and the large PP booth was very, very quiet every time i saw it. It really stood out in it's emptiness. They were pushing Monsterpocolypse rather than Warmahordes, but that seemed to be getting very little interest either. They must have spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on the sponsorship and booth size and i think it's impossible they didn't make a hefty loss.


One of the things that does frustrate me about PP is that they often sink time and effort into products or games that nobody asked for. The re-doing of MonPoc is an example of this. Along with some of their other small or stand alone games. With MonPoc the call for its return in the community was deafening. Well it must have been. Because I couldn't hear anything........


Are they only supposed to make one singular game forever? That would be dumb. Also MonPoc was a great game that failed because of the colletable aspect and still had lots of people wanting it back and asking about it. If you never heard it you weren’t listening.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Sunno wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Completely anecdotal, but was at Gen Con and the large PP booth was very, very quiet every time i saw it. It really stood out in it's emptiness. They were pushing Monsterpocolypse rather than Warmahordes, but that seemed to be getting very little interest either. They must have spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on the sponsorship and booth size and i think it's impossible they didn't make a hefty loss.


One of the things that does frustrate me about PP is that they often sink time and effort into products or games that nobody asked for. The re-doing of MonPoc is an example of this. Along with some of their other small or stand alone games. With MonPoc the call for its return in the community was deafening. Well it must have been. Because I couldn't hear anything........


Are they only supposed to make one singular game forever? That would be dumb. Also MonPoc was a great game that failed because of the colletable aspect and still had lots of people wanting it back and asking about it. If you never heard it you weren’t listening.


Didn’t some kind of movie deal fall through which also hurt MonPoc the first time around , besides the collectible part? Thought they signed over rights and recently got the back.
   
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That was a popular theory but I don’t believe it was ever confirmed. PP basically just went radio silent on MonPoc for awhile and wouldn’t talk about it at all.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Sunno wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Completely anecdotal, but was at Gen Con and the large PP booth was very, very quiet every time i saw it. It really stood out in it's emptiness. They were pushing Monsterpocolypse rather than Warmahordes, but that seemed to be getting very little interest either. They must have spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on the sponsorship and booth size and i think it's impossible they didn't make a hefty loss.


One of the things that does frustrate me about PP is that they often sink time and effort into products or games that nobody asked for. The re-doing of MonPoc is an example of this. Along with some of their other small or stand alone games. With MonPoc the call for its return in the community was deafening. Well it must have been. Because I couldn't hear anything........


Are they only supposed to make one singular game forever? That would be dumb. Also MonPoc was a great game that failed because of the colletable aspect and still had lots of people wanting it back and asking about it. If you never heard it you weren’t listening.


The frustrating thing is PP seems to half-ass their side games. When Level 7 came out, people who played it claimed it was fairly good, but felt way overpriced with just having paper stands for all the characters. Instead of wasting money on that horrible intro video, they could have had several figures made.

The WMH board games were frustrating because the figs were always at a reduced scale relative to the actual WMH game. People may complain, at most of GWs games but they have cross purpose uses.
   
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 AduroT wrote:
That was a popular theory but I don’t believe it was ever confirmed. PP basically just went radio silent on MonPoc for awhile and wouldn’t talk about it at all.


Yeah, wasn't Tim Burton supposedly attached to that movie? What a weird one that would have been.

The Hollywood Reporter had this about a MonPoc movie from 2016 (and mentions the previous attempt at making a movie with Mr. Burton):

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/monsterpocalypse-movie-warner-bros-wins-890002

Fede Alvarez, who directed the remake of 'Evil Dead,' is attached to co-write and helm the adaptation of the board game. Warner Bros has won the heated bidding war for the adaptation of Monsterpocalypse, the cult board game, with Fede Alvarez, helmer of the Evil Dead remake, attached to co-write and direct.

The package for the project hit the town last week and quickly generated interest and bids from studios, including DreamWorks and Sony on top of Warners. The bidding escalated quickly, hitting at least the mid-six figures against seven figures for just the rights and writing alone. Warners is now in negotiations for the package.

Monsterpocalypse is a board game from Privateer Press and created by Matt Wilson that pits humans in robot suits against monsters. An adaptation was previously attempted around 2010 with a package that included Tim Burton as director and John August as screenwriter. It stalled in development after Crimson Peak filmmaker Guillermo del Toro made a competing humans-in-robot-suits-against-monsters, 2013’s Pacific Rim.

Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that the new package has a take that is substantially different from that of the previous iteration, as well as Rim's, although the core concept — humans versus monsters — remains.

Alvarez will write the screenplay with his writing partner Rodo Sayagues.

Alvarez demonstrated a passion for the material with his regular works in the horror and robot subgenres. He made his breakthrough debut with the popular short Panic Attack!, which featured giant robots attacking the South American city of Montevideo, which led to his directing 2013’s remake of Evil Dead. His latest, Don’t Breathe, is a horror movie that Screen Gems will release Aug. 26.

Alvarez is repped by WME, Anonymous Content and Jackoway Tyerman. Wilson is repped by Stone Genow and Heitmann Entertainment.


   
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So that's why PP is relaunching MoPoc.
   
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 silent25 wrote:
So that's why PP is relaunching MoPoc.


Whatever the excuse, I'm happy to hear it. MonPoc was a real favorite of mine, and by the looks of things the new edition is going to clean up a good number of my original gripes.

On why it died, I'm almost certain it came down to the inability to have the figures produced affordably. Every single prepaint game died at that time and a few developers I knew at the time from another game gave me cost estimates of production that were 7x what they used to be due to a combination of oil prices increasing both the material and shipping costs and China's economic boom meant people were actually getting paid to paint the things. On the flip side, people were losing their homes in mass and kids were largely unemployed so its not like minis were in high demand at the time either. Companies were doing all kinds of things to get what they could out of the molds they'd already produced and there was hope it might be viable again, but with a few exceptions (namely Iron Man making it worthwhile to purchase and relaunch Heroclix) the industry that made MonPoc just died and PP had little reason to relaunch it.


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 AduroT wrote:

Are they only supposed to make one singular game forever? That would be dumb. Also MonPoc was a great game that failed because of the colletable aspect and still had lots of people wanting it back and asking about it. If you never heard it you weren’t listening.


On this note, PP does have a problem with its fanbase's insistence on "Masters Only". The number of times I've heard people unwilling to try Champions for reasons like "there's no good Haley2 counter in my set" is just.... IDK, disheartening, I guess.

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 master of ordinance wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Shouldn't you blame your postal service for that handling fee?



Oh, absolutely, but it still needs to be factored in.

The fact that it's a racket is obvious from the total lack of any facility to declare the package as incoming and pre pay the sales tax. You must let the Post Office collect the VAT, and that's what incurs the handling charge. eBay and Amazon have introduced a method of prepaying and circumventing, but that's obviously no good here. In fact, I'm sure an order I made from Amazon US that collected the tax ultimately refunded it when the parcel wasn't intercepted and the tax wasn't charged, but don't quote me on that, it was a while back!


This, its an utter joke. I order a lot of stuff from abroad because I cannot get it in the UK (anime merc, <REDACTED> milsurp, etc) and I dread customs and the handling charge. Its a fething joke, an excuse for the government to squeeze money from you, but there are no guaranteed ways to circumvent it.

Watch your language please - BrookM


You don't have to pay the handling fee. You can do the import paperwork and customs clearing yourself if you want. It'll probably cost more than £8, though.
   
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If it costs more than that to file paperwork for getting such a small package, I think that is quite a punitive system for consumers

PP (and other hobby companies) should obviously do all they can to help customers avoid it (since otherwise, they probably won't be customers for long!), but that really could use fixing...

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WOW 75% off? That sums up the state of things for PP on that area.

Question remains would you buy loads of restic at that price? Personally? No.

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
WOW 75% off? That sums up the state of things for PP on that area.

Question remains would you buy loads of restic at that price? Personally? No.


you may not for a tabletop game, but would you for an RPG?
   
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I would.
   
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 thekingofkings wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
WOW 75% off? That sums up the state of things for PP on that area.

Question remains would you buy loads of restic at that price? Personally? No.


you may not for a tabletop game, but would you for an RPG?


to quote Mr Smith 'awww hell no'

if we are talking about Mk3 starter boxes they are generally below board game quality

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 NAVARRO wrote:
WOW 75% off? That sums up the state of things for PP on that area.

Question remains would you buy loads of restic at that price? Personally? No.


Depends on the design of the minis, but "probably".

   
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I'd buy it up. I've been buying stuff at 50% off, and having a good time with it.

I like the models. I don't find them to be of terrible quality. I like the relatively simple, un-loaded look, as I find it easier to paint.

I like WMH models.
   
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Sunno wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Completely anecdotal, but was at Gen Con and the large PP booth was very, very quiet every time i saw it. It really stood out in it's emptiness. They were pushing Monsterpocolypse rather than Warmahordes, but that seemed to be getting very little interest either. They must have spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on the sponsorship and booth size and i think it's impossible they didn't make a hefty loss.


One of the things that does frustrate me about PP is that they often sink time and effort into products or games that nobody asked for. The re-doing of MonPoc is an example of this. Along with some of their other small or stand alone games. With MonPoc the call for its return in the community was deafening. Well it must have been. Because I couldn't hear anything........


I feel like Monsterpocalypse was talked about quite a bit on the old PP forums. Level 7 on the other hand …

AduroT wrote:
Sunno wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Completely anecdotal, but was at Gen Con and the large PP booth was very, very quiet every time i saw it. It really stood out in it's emptiness. They were pushing Monsterpocolypse rather than Warmahordes, but that seemed to be getting very little interest either. They must have spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on the sponsorship and booth size and i think it's impossible they didn't make a hefty loss.


One of the things that does frustrate me about PP is that they often sink time and effort into products or games that nobody asked for. The re-doing of MonPoc is an example of this. Along with some of their other small or stand alone games. With MonPoc the call for its return in the community was deafening. Well it must have been. Because I couldn't hear anything........


Are they only supposed to make one singular game forever? That would be dumb. Also MonPoc was a great game that failed because of the colletable aspect and still had lots of people wanting it back and asking about it. If you never heard it you weren’t listening.


Agreed here - diversifying is one of (if not the only?) positive steps PP has taken lately towards righting the ship. WM/Hordes is becoming bloated (at least the main factions) they can't keep up the level of releases they have been forever. Taking an occasional month off for Monsterpoc (and having that new, licensed Minicrate) are good things for PP to be doing.

NAVARRO wrote:WOW 75% off? That sums up the state of things for PP on that area.

Question remains would you buy loads of restic at that price? Personally? No.


I wanna say yes - but then I look at all the primed PP stuff stitting at my desk that I need to take ANOTHER pass on to try to remove even more mold lines from ... and well, that's what stopped me from ordering a mysterybox - and those are probably pretty close to 75% off. So I guess the answer is no.
   
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Schmapdi wrote:

I wanna say yes - but then I look at all the primed PP stuff stitting at my desk that I need to take ANOTHER pass on to try to remove even more mold lines from ... and well, that's what stopped me from ordering a mysterybox - and those are probably pretty close to 75% off. So I guess the answer is no.


90% of my Trolls are still the metals and I know most do not like to clean those but once you do you have a great model with crisp details. Since the shift to other materials PP has been hit and miss but even if you take the time to clean some of theirs cheaper casts the detail is not there. Its like spending time to polish something that does not deliver. Waste of time really.
For me that has been the reason I gave up on PP. From a company that defended metal minis as their core to something bellow boardgames standarts. pass.

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
Schmapdi wrote:

I wanna say yes - but then I look at all the primed PP stuff stitting at my desk that I need to take ANOTHER pass on to try to remove even more mold lines from ... and well, that's what stopped me from ordering a mysterybox - and those are probably pretty close to 75% off. So I guess the answer is no.


90% of my Trolls are still the metals and I know most do not like to clean those but once you do you have a great model with crisp details. Since the shift to other materials PP has been hit and miss but even if you take the time to clean some of theirs cheaper casts the detail is not there. Its like spending time to polish something that does not deliver. Waste of time really.
For me that has been the reason I gave up on PP. From a company that defended metal minis as their core to something bellow boardgames standarts. pass.


See, this is what I don't understand about PP. They are so schizophrenic about what they want to be.

On one hand they try and come off as a company that puts out quality miniatures, hence minicrate, the L5R tie in, $150 kits.

But how are people introduced to their product? I would daresay that the majority are from buying starter boxes, like me. Which are unquestionably if not the worst minis in the industry, certainly in the running for the title.

It makes no sense to me.

   
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Again, I like the Retribution Starter boxes. I like the Mk 2 Kador box, the Mk 2 and 3 Oboros Boxes. My son likes the Skorne box, so I picked it up. I imagine the cyclops will be nightmares to assemble, but the sculpts are ok. I'm happy with the Retribution infantry. It's part of what attracted me to the faction in the first place.

It's an eye of the beholder thing. I quite like the aesthetics, and have minimal issues with mould lines, though some have been irksome to deal with.
   
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 thekingofkings wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
WOW 75% off? That sums up the state of things for PP on that area.

Question remains would you buy loads of restic at that price? Personally? No.


you may not for a tabletop game, but would you for an RPG?


Possibly, or for little projects, but the thought of losing yet more blood to restic is a turn off.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/581001.page#6570095don't click this link...
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7th edition 40k is a lot like BDSM these days. Only play with people you know and develop a safe word for when things get too intense. And It doesn't hurt to be a sadist or masochist as well.

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Restic is a test of character, like the Kobayashi Maru.

   
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You know that saying “... live long enough to see yourself become the villain”? I feel like all successful games sort of end up like that. At some point they face challenges with play testing, spam / min-max lists, staying new while controlling costs, etc.

Happens to Warhammer, Warmachine, even like X-Wing, Malifaux.

Course, some companies handle it better than others but it’s still something they all run across.
   
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From what I can tell, AoS is picking up steam and Warmahordes is still steadily losing ground to other games...

Same sort of feeling here.
AoS has some potential to be set free.
For instance, the WH AoS app allows to build armies for just 0.99 Euro per month.
I've gotten the app and I'm happy with it.

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Over the last few Adepticons I've received both the Hordes and Warmachine Mk. III books, plus a few models.

I have a small Khador force and I ordered two mystery boxes.

I liked Warmahordes back in the day when I played in a league or two (immediately before and after Hordes became a thing).

From what I can tell, the rules still look fun. If you just want to play with a friend or two I'd say now may be a good time to jump in with everything selling for so cheap. I can't speak at all to the organized play and tournament side though, but it looks like plenty of people here can.

If I've got a trade you're interested in but you don't have anything on my wanted list, just shoot me a PM and ask! I'm easily distracted!  
   
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 RiTides wrote:
If it costs more than that to file paperwork for getting such a small package, I think that is quite a punitive system for consumers


It's not just about filing paperwork - it's about having a presence at the port of entry to physically present the packages to UK Border Force, having storage facilities, etc. I followed a link once that explained what went into it all, but I didn't note the specifics, sorry.
   
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 wuestenfux wrote:
From what I can tell, AoS is picking up steam and Warmahordes is still steadily losing ground to other games...

Same sort of feeling here.
AoS has some potential to be set free.
For instance, the WH AoS app allows to build armies for just 0.99 Euro per month.
I've gotten the app and I'm happy with it.


I recently got company of iron as I like the PP setting and basics of the game but don't care for the full scale competitive game. Downloaded Privateer's app and was really turned off by the cost let alone how poorly made the app is (which is even more of an insult since they charge). $20 may not seam much but that only gets me cards for CoI, if for some reason I wanted to play warmahords I'd have to re-buy all the cards again which is double dipping as there's very little difference between the two card sets. With basically every other skirmish game having all their rules and stats available online for free with better quality apps I don't know what PP is doing. It's hard to convince my friends to play this, over say infinity or batman, even though in those instances they're using my minis as well just because it costs them money just to make a list to play.

Seriously if you want to look up what an effect on a card is it loads a freaking PDF that's almost unreadable on a phone.
   
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I've gotten to playing games pretty exclusively digitally. My experience is across the board that phones are fine for things like research, dojo, and list building, but gameplay really need the screen realestate of a tablet. For the most part any old cheap tablet will do, its just the ability to have two columns worth of readable data in landscape mode that really makes the difference.
   
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I disagree that a tablet is needed if you design for a phone. You can tell warroom was made for tablets which was a bad idea as tablets really aren't that popular anymore yet everyone has a phone. Thinking about it none of my friends even have one outside of the cheap one for their kids.

So if I want to build a list I have to have the pdf open on my computer as warroom is crap for letting you know what a figure does. What a wonderful service I'm paying for.
   
 
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