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FalkorsRaiders wrote:List for Zhandrekh and Obryon at 2500 points:

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Zhandrekh+Obryon (since i coundn't find how much they cost in points, gonna say they cost 300 points)

It was mentioned here either in revisions or a post after it a few days back that togeather they are still cheaper then The Storm Lord, but not by much. Since hes 250 id guess both of them as 230-240

http://www.ftwgames.net/

FTW Games

On sale today. Wonder whats in here....

TheDivineKira wrote:

Swara wrote:


I'm trying my best not to get too excited or disappointed till I have that codex in my hand (which I'm sure I'll be at my local shop hogging it for a few hours).

Actually you wont be hogging it in the store for a few hours unfourtunatly. I just talked with a manager at my FLGS and he said that GW has stopped sending out preview codexes to stores, and their will only be the released dexes, you know, the ones you can purchase strait up. But he gave me some good news too, he said theres no street date for the relese, that means when it arives in the store, he can sell it. and he said that it could arive as soon as next wensday. so heres hopeing it gets here as soon as possible!

Well, that's good and bad news I suppose, thanks for letting me know though!

Totalwar1402 wrote:

davethepak wrote:Tyranids and Necrons...

Before you cry "cite!" take some heart that many people who play necrons (or like me, who play necrons and tyranids) actually know the books a bit...

Plenty reasons. An Imperial world is under attack by necrons and nids show up. Necrons have to fight to escape...

Woah there. Necrons have to what? The masters of teleportation that can cross whole star systems and move monoliths, plylons and whole starships?
(necron codex: page 56 and 57).

These ain't your fathers marines who need low orbit...these are the masters of phasing technology these are....um...nerfed robots who now need transports?
(boot to the head).

Anyway, enough talk about necrons and nids; its really low quality writing that all. I prefer to think of it as some elaborate long term deceiver plot.

Lets talk about mobility. So, lots of the old units were really mobile (move as jet bike), and while they are still jump troops...thats fairly a big difference.

the army does not feel as mobile...with the doomsday ark not being able to move (its pretty gimped when moving) to the lack of jetbikes (tomblades? stats please?).

However, maybe the new flying skimmers will change this? or will they be too fragile?

Overall thoughts about mobility of this new army?

davethepak wrote:

Totalwar1402 wrote:

davethepak wrote:Tyranids and Necrons...

Before you cry "cite!" take some heart that many people who play necrons (or like me, who play necrons and tyranids) actually know the books a bit...

Plenty reasons. An Imperial world is under attack by necrons and nids show up. Necrons have to fight to escape...

Woah there. Necrons need what? The masters of teleportation that can cross whole star systems and move monoliths, plylons and whole starships need what?
(necron codex: page 56 and 57).

These ain't your fathers marines who need low orbit...these are the masters of phasing technology these are....um...nerfed robots who now need transports?
(boot to the head).

Anyway, enough talk about necrons and nids; its really low quality writing that all. I prefer to think of it as some elaborate long term deceiver plot.

Lets talk about mobility. So, lots of the old units were really mobile (move as jet bike), and while they are still jump troops...thats fairly a big difference.

the army does not feel as mobile...with the doomsday ark not being able to move (its pretty gimped when moving) to the lack of jetbikes (tomblades? stats please?).

However, maybe the new flying skimmers will change this? or will they be too fragile?

Overall thoughts about mobility of this new army?

Far more mobile than it used to be. At least in terms of the amount of units that can move quickly. I think the nightscythes (I think thats the name) will add a lot in terms of mobility. Now that we found out that the shielding lasts until pen (not glance) I think you can be expected to be a little more ballsy with the arks and barges. Its kind of moved away from the lumbering horde to a faster moving force. Lots of new jump infantry to play with. But seriously lets talk about the best kind of movement. The kind that goes through time. Anyone else picturing an enemy IC being born/created and a necron warping into the room, falcon punching them to death and then phasing out?

Bad post sorry.

Swara wrote:@ Dave
I understand your frustrations about the new codex as I am also current Necron player, I play them about twice a month at least.

Wraiths: Yes they lost their I6 but they gained the equipment to reduce others to I1 in CC. I think with their extra wound and rending they will become a very versatile unit.

WBB: Again, it went down to 5+, BUT is now not negated by power weapons which is something I've been killed a whole lot now because of all my GK friends. Put the warriors in a transport, add a lord with an orb and think you'll have a really tough troop choice there.

I'm trying my best not to get too excited or disappointed till I have that codex in my hand (which I'm sure I'll be at my local shop hogging it for a few hours). In the end though, I think most of it will just be growing pains and we'll come out being a fun army to play.

@Swara; thanks for responding!

Excellent point on the coils, I will have to use them (hmm...how to model them on my 9 existing wraiths...guitar string maybe?).
The only drawback here is that its ONLY units in base to base (if like lashwhips), and well, any wargear that is almost mandatory is really just a point increase.
So...wraiths are 50 points now? Well, to be honest, I would pay that for rending and a second wound....

Good point on GK power weapons, I usually a destroyer lord with a rezorb near my units so in my experience this has not been a huge deal.
(ok, I did get one warrior squad munched this way). The radius of the Orb was VERY nice...I will miss it.

I am not sure about putting a lord/cryptek in a transport. I think that if I get a rezorb, its going in a squad of preatorians or lychguard...warriors are just too weak in CC in my opinion. Sure, maybe as a tarpit, especially if the ark can regen d3 of them a turn.
I have to say, just like the old monolith teleportal tricks, this may bring new tactical opportunities, and for me, that part is exciting!

I really want to know more about the walker thing, the ctan powers (oh, deceiver how I miss thee), the jetbikes and the fighters.

I have to say...my first impression is that the ghost ark is way overcosted...but perhaps I am weighing too much that a single lucky shot will get past the quantum shielding.

I too am trying to keep a very positive outlook on my chrome legions (my guys are all chrome, terminator style...yeah, its cliche, but I like it).
I did sell large chunks of my army (about 1000 points worth, but still have about 3000) as I had a feeling I would not need as many destoryers or warriors (I had 60).

Hmmm... I think will make new post about army and model changes....

anyway, thanks for your perspective...

Philld77 wrote:Bad Photo shop WD382 is the October Issue so there is some jiggery pokery going on here!

Seriously? I guess White Dwarf should fire the guy who does their covers because apparently the real covers look like "bad Photoshop".

Assuming that comment was not a really bad intentional joke, this photo is of the cover of the November issue of White Dwarf. And issue numbers in the US and UK have been offset by one for years. In other words, the same issue in both countries has an issue number that differs by one.

Philld77 wrote:
Bad Photo shop WD382 is the October Issue so there is some jiggery pokery going on here!

You are aware that you're not right about this, right?

White Dwarf 381

Inside this month's issue:

Death on the Ocean Waves: Phil Kelly enthuses about the story behind Dreadfleet and talks to Andy about the game. We also take a closer look at all the great stuff that you get in the box.





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TheToastKing wrote:Has anyone got a rough idea when they will b up for pre-order? I mean I have been lurking and waiting but no sign yet... perhaps one of the more learned rumor people could enlighten me?
Cheers: TTK

I don't know how it is in England but here in the States I was able to pre-order my Necrons on Monday from my LGS and you can pre-order on TheWarStore.com right now. I'd give your LGS a call and see if you can pre-order.

BrassScorpion wrote:

philld77 wrote:Bad Photo shop WD382 is the October Issue so there is some jiggery pokery going on here!

Seriously? I guess White Dwarf should fire the guy who does their covers because apparently the real covers look like "bad photoshop".

Assuming that comment was not a really bad intentional joke, this photo is of the cover of the November issue of White Dwarf. And issue numbers in the US and UK have been offset by one for years. In other words, the same issue in both countries has an issue number that differs by one.

pretre wrote:

Philld77 wrote:
Bad Photo shop WD382 is the October Issue so there is some jiggery pokery going on here!

You are aware that you're not right about this, right?

White Dwarf 381

Inside this month's issue:

Death on the Ocean Waves: Phil Kelly enthuses about the story behind Dreadfleet and talks to Andy about the game. We also take a closer look at all the great stuff that you get in the box.





Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ninja'd by BrassScorpion.

Oops Sorry didn't know that about the 1 down thing my mistake , in that case I apologise, and will edit my post.

Has anyone got a rough idea when they will b up for pre-order?

I've lost count of how many times I've posted this info.

Pre-orders go up on the GW website just after midnight on Friday night GMT (i.e., early Saturday morning in the UK). That's around 7 PM Eastern Time in the US. Release is one week later on the following Saturday. This is how the system has worked since May of this year. Independent retailers may already be taking orders.

pretre wrote:

"They BELONG in a museum!"

"So do YOU!"

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str00dles1 wrote:

FalkorsRaiders wrote:List for Zhandrekh and Obryon at 2500 points:

-HQ-
Zhandrekh+Obryon (since i coundn't find how much they cost in points, gonna say they cost 300 points)

It was mentioned here either in revisions or a post after it a few days back that togeather they are still cheaper then The Storm Lord, but not by much. Since hes 250 id guess both of them as 230-240

According to Yakface, together, they are MORE than Stormlord. That doesn't mean that each of them is in the 230-240 point range. 300 for the pair seems reasonable given that a normal lord is in the 45-85 range and an Overlord on a Barge is running 210. Given that Obryon will be a BEAST in CC (can't wait to see him rip apart a unit of Terminators), I expect him to be more than a normal lord. I expect him to run about the same as the Overlord because he won't be able to take a Royal Court or fill the HQ slot.

Ouze wrote:

gorgon wrote:You guys need to start citing page numbers before you bring up fluff "rapeage".

There is to my knowledge nothing in the existing Necron codex that discusses Necron-Tyranid relationships. There's just the small bit of artwork on the back cover showing a hive fleet apparently avoiding Necrons. All the theories as to why this happened are strictly inventions of the customer base.

In addition to the back cover, this is also referenced in the Necron Codex on page 11, Tyranid Codex, page 11, Tyranid Codex, page 21. It's made explicit that they avoid necrons because there is no biomass for them to consume.

Don't have my codex with me, but it doesn't say "why," does it? And there's nothing about anti-psyker stuff repelling the Tyranids, right? Hence my reply to the earlier posts.

Hox wrote:
Much love for saving me from looking through my nid codex again Knew I had read it. They would just have no reason to ever fight.

The tomb world has large sub-surface water reserves, like in several moons in our own solar system. Done.

i don't have my codex on-hand, but does it ever specify if Tyranids avoid active/unactive Tomb Worlds, or just Tomb Worlds in general? the bit about 'nids destroying one of the Necron Empires didn't say they were awake (but it didn't say they weren't), but not all Tomb Worlds are also Dead Worlds, and an unactivated Tomb World may still have some resources on it -- Damnos was habitable, and it was a Tomb World (i'm going on 5ed rulebook information for this, since i've yet to read FoD) , and there's an entry somewhere about Tyranids attacking a Tau-controlled planet that had Necrons in its moon, so they may go after a Necron planet if they aren't totally awake yet, or if there are still some gains to be made.

still, though, we haven't seen the entire entry yet, so it's still up in the air until the codex drops!

Alright, am I reading this correctly that QS only functions on Front and Side armor? I was feeling all cool that even in CC, it'd take a str 8 attack to pop the shields. (Against my friend that runs Ork Kopta's, it was a welcomed relief)

Really, judging by the lack of backlash from indignant 'cron fans once again threatening to sell their armies, it makes me wonder if I was reading it wrong the whole time.

Just curious but is this one of the largest threads in dakka history or are all the soon to be released rumor threads this size?

No images of Tomb Spiders old or new style (if there is one) in the November White Dwarf. My suspicion is that they're currently in limbo awaiting a new kit in the next release wave. It will be interesting to see if the codex has photos of old or new TS models or whether they stick to artwork.

kellymatthew37 wrote:Just curious but is this one of the largest threads in dakka history or are all the soon to be released rumor threads this size?

No, and almost...

kellymatthew37 wrote:Just curious but is this one of the largest threads in dakka history or are all the soon to be released rumor threads this size?

Looks like the "rebuilding mantis warriors" thread is the largest. Over twice the size of this thread.

Kevin949 wrote:

kellymatthew37 wrote:Just curious but is this one of the largest threads in dakka history or are all the soon to be released rumor threads this size?

Looks like the "rebuilding mantis warriors" thread is the largest.

It's not...

So, now that we have seen pics, and read stats (pre-codex, but decent), lets talk about what model changes people who have armies are going to make.

For me, it started with me selling off some of my surplus necrons, or what I perceived to be surplus. Also, I have included some of my new wargear/conversion thoughts.

Ctan
I kept both, hoping I will use them. I doubt I will need a third, we shall see. They are on 40mm bases, so I am curious if the new ones are on 60mm.
If the new guys are on 60mm bases, I may get around to converting them...we will see. How many of you will change yours?

Lords
I have two on foot, and two destroyer lords. I may have to scounge up some arms, as I don't know if I will always run rez orbs anymore.
If I read it correctly, destroyer lords can get tachy arrows, if these don't suck, I may see what I can come up with for them from my bits box.
A lot of the other wargear, will have to see if they are modeled or not, may either scratch build them, or try to pick up some bits on ebay.
Your thoughts? You buying new ones? Converting old ones?

Warriors:
I sold about 24 of my 60+ warriors, as well, I had a lot. I also thought if they got a new weapon sprue I might want a new box just for the upgrade parts.
In looking at things, this may have been a mistake...as it sounds like there may not be any new weapons for them. Oh well, got 46 left...can always get more.
So, you keeping your warriors? Getting more? Selling some now that you can use immortals? Any plans?

Immortals:
I kept all 20 of my immortals, as I am planning on just taking some of the parts from the immortal/deathmark kit to upgrade.
We will see if I need more. I am saddened by the huge nerf of the immortal weapon, its like only Ward's GK get strom bolters...
If you have immortals, will you be buying more?

Scarabs:
Only have a dozen...will try to scounge up a few more....very excited about them.

Pariahs
Decided to not sell mine. Almost never ran them, but planning on trying to convert them to Crypteks. Similar to the lords, will have to see if any of the wargear is modeled.
If I end up continiously running a couple of versions, I may try to model them.
Anyone else keep theirs, or sell them off?

Flayed Ones
Sold them all. I thought they were crap before, and not too impressed now. Too many other good choices in that slot. If worse comes to worse, I have a feeling I can get more on ebay. So, flayed one thoughts? Anyone buying any? Anyone keep their old ones?

Destroyers
I had a lot...and most of my heavies were magnitized so they could be both. I sold off most of my destroyers, and I think I am down to about 12 (3 normal, 9 heavy/normal). Once I confirm the new unit size is 1-3, I am selling the other 3 normal destroyers. Will see if they come with any other wargear options, but I doubt it.
While I love destroyers, I found in the last six months or so, that I favor a wraith wing army more than massed destroyers.
Anyone else selling or magnitizing destroyers?

Wraiths
I have nine of these guys, and love them. I have always hoped for rending or a power weapon option...and it pains me if they lost initiative . it sounds like the new whip will be a "Must have" pieace of wargear, which basically means that their cost is base+whip and I have to get as many into base to base as possible in CC!
Will prolly model them with the whips, maybe using guitar string or some kind of wire, not sure. If the other weapons are good, may try to get as bits, and maybe magnitize to the shoulders perhaps? The hands might not be easy to mag to. Of course, I doubt I will ever run 9 again, so I might just do one or two models with the new weapons on them. Not sure. So, what are your plans for wraiths? New ones? Converting? What would make a whip out of?

Tomb Spyders
Have two, kept them both. Almost picked up a third recently, but wanted to wait on the new dex.
Depending on how the new model looks, I may get another of the old ones, or sell mine and get all new ones.
I magnitized the arms on one, so I can make new parts (or buy bits) if need be.
Anyone else planning anything with spiders? Converting? Selling, etc?

Monolith
I have two. Now sure if I will ever use them both again (I borrowed a third for bigger games). I am however, considering repainting them, and maybe adding some cool effects.
Heck, I don't know if I will use one. The new flyer transport might be my new favorite. Have no idea. Will have to see. It feels like everything got MORE expensive in the new codex (except warriors). I am REALLY glad I did not pick up a third now. Any monolith plans?

Tomb Stalker
I love this guy. I am very upset he is not in the codex, I mean, really gw? Really? How about supporting those who have been supporting you? Yeah, I know the bureaucratic crap of the units being separate, but know what, customers don't care about your internal bad business decisions, they just want to use the things they spent money on.
If the new walker thing comes on a big base like that, I will just use him for the new scorpion walker. If the thing is really tall however, I may have to adjust mine, so people don't way I am trying to get cover advantages. I don't know if I can bring myself to putting a cryptek on his back however. Not sure. I have not see his stats in the new IA book yet (just ordered it yesterday) so I don't know if he is any good as a tomb stalker anymore. SO, anyone else have a tombstalker, and if so, what are your plans for it?

Ok, so that's what I got, and what I am doing with it.
I have already ordered several of the new boxes, and will make more decisions as the dex comes out, and I get some games in.

So, what are you doing with your necron army?

EDIT: Missed a question.

I wouldn't stress too much about the Tomb Stalker not being in the codex. People seem to be getting quite irate these days that just because the odd FW kit (e.g. Pirahna, Valkyrie) has made the cross over into the 40K proper, that all FW stuff isn't doing the same.

davethepak wrote:

So, what are you doing with your necron army?

Sold most of mine in August, good idea too as it seems that Destroyer Wing (I'm going to miss my 15 destroyers and 9 heavy destroyers they were so much fun) is no longer a viable army list and I had WAY too many warriors (100-110) and now I think I'll be more focused on an Immortal Troop Core. Also kinda glad I got rid of my Monolith, just isn't the same anymore... Now I'm think of a Praetorian/Lycheguard and Scarab/Wraith wing army with maybe one or two Doomsday Arks. And then probably get full Royal courts for larger battles as I can see that being a potential death star unit of sorts... at the least be a massive pain in the butt (and since I do enjoy playing Apoc battles, probably played more Apoc battles than anything else).

Flashman wrote:I wouldn't stress too much about the Tomb Stalker not being in the codex. People seem to be getting quite irate these days that just because the odd FW kit (e.g. Pirahna, Valkyrie) has made the cross over into the 40K proper, that all FW stuff isn't doing the same.

Remember with Imperial Armour Apoc 2 they have units labeled (APOCALYPSE) and others labeled (WARHAMMER 40000)

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Flashman wrote:I wouldn't stress too much about the Tomb Stalker not being in the codex. People seem to be getting quite irate these days that just because the odd FW kit (e.g. Pirahna, Valkyrie) has made the cross over into the 40K proper, that all FW stuff isn't doing the same.

Remember with Imperial Armour Apoc 2 they have units labeled (APOCALYPSE) and others labeled (WARHAMMER 40000)

While yes, this does, however, some people may still have a problem with the unit, and if not in the codex it may still be overcosted, AND I doubt most tourneys will be allowing units from that book....

Still, my death bug will much marine hiney as much as possible!

davethepak wrote:
Flayed Ones
Sold them all. I thought they were crap before, and not too impressed now. Too many other good choices in that slot. If worse comes to worse, I have a feeling I can get more on ebay. So, flayed one thoughts? Anyone buying any? Anyone keep their old ones?

New Flayed ones are ugly, expensive and in failcast. Currently painting 10 classic, metal Flayed ones I bought just before nerby shops ran out of stock. Bought most of them as "last of metal blisters sell out" usually getting up to 50% discount. Turns out it was one of best deals ever made imho. Keep your olds. In a few years they will be somewhat relic and nice addition to showcase

GiantSlingshot wrote:Alright, am I reading this correctly that QS only functions on Front and Side armor? I was feeling all cool that even in CC, it'd take a str 8 attack to pop the shields. (Against my friend that runs Ork Kopta's, it was a welcomed relief)

Really, judging by the lack of backlash from indignant 'cron fans once again threatening to sell their armies, it makes me wonder if I was reading it wrong the whole time.

Where did you get that idea from (I'm curious)? Quantum Shielding works in all cases until the vehicle suffers a penetrating hit.


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And as for the 'outrageous' idea of Tyranids decimating Tomb Worlds, the fluff explains that the Tyranids rampaged through the empire while the Tomb Worlds were still in hibernation, but obviously the Tyranid process of stripping a world of all its bio-mass would have some pretty devastating effects on the planet as a whole and obviously caused massive damage to the stasis-tombs themselves.

Besides, even in the old fluff Necrons never killed every living thing, they only harvested sentient life for the C'Tan, so there's no real reason that their Tomb Worlds would be completely bare of life. So once they go into hibernation for 60 million years, their Tomb Worlds should be teeming with life, not the least of which are other races which have settled or grown on the planet since the Tomb Kings went into hibernation.

So there is absolutely every normal reason that Tyranids would attack a Tomb World, especially one that was in hibernation and it is perfectly understandable how their crazy bio-mass removal would cripple or damage any Necron tombs hidden beneath the surface as the tectonic shifts created by the removal of a world's oceans alone would be devestating.


And as for the old fluff about Tyranids purposely avoiding Necron worlds...how dumb is that from game perspective to have a 'reason' that Tyranids would never invade Necron Tomb Worlds? I don't care what kind of explanation is/was given, that never should have been part of the canon and it absolutely should be removed.

I believe at one point the Necrons were supposed to be worse than the Nids, what with star gods leading them and all. They even had a plan in place to seal the warp off from the materium. I guess they were supposed to be scary to the point that even Chaos and the Nids were going to have trouble with them, sometimes going out of their way to not fight them in the case of the Nids. But of course, that has been retconned into oblivion and now the Crons are just another race for Spess Mahrens to use as punching bags. In a way it makes them even more boring than a mysterious evil that could stop Chaos and make the Nids think twice.

yakface wrote:Where did you get that idea from (I'm curious)? Quantum Shielding works in all cases until the vehicle suffers a penetrating hit.

The White Dwarf scans that are popping up say it's Front and Side only.