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 Mr Morden wrote:
After all Nagash does not care why you serve as long as you do - although if they were not useful he would replace the Vampires with Bonereapers and Nighthaunts - probably his long term plan....and soulblight like Neferata probably know it.

Ah, so there's potential for a future schism. I'd love to see vampires position themselves somewhere between Order and Death proper, like they did in WFB.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
After all Nagash does not care why you serve as long as you do - although if they were not useful he would replace the Vampires with Bonereapers and Nighthaunts - probably his long term plan....and soulblight like Neferata probably know it.

Ah, so there's potential for a future schism. I'd love to see vampires position themselves somewhere between Order and Death proper, like they did in WFB.

There is indeed, both they and the Wight Kings and Queens used to be guests for tournaments etc in Azyr and the other Realms in the Age of Myth and Sigmar sought out Neferata as an ally when he came back at the dawn of the Age of Sigmar.

But can they break from his will?
It reads like no one can.

So it took GW twenty years to do new zombies? And how many are in a box? Ten?! Yes, this is an acceptable size for a unit of zombies...


Meanwhile I have assembled my zombie army from other companies. Hard pass, GW.

Well we don’t know.
I think it’ll be a box of 20.
Four sprues.

I am honestly pretty upset Soulblight Gravelords seem to just be a reimagining of Vampire Counts.
I was hoping for a legit vampire army that was like a dark reflection of medieval armies, but with vampires instead of footmen, or Monsters instead of Siege engines. Kinda like Carmillas army in the new castlevania

Danny76 wrote:
But can they break from his will?
It reads like no one can.

They have tried (and thus far failed) - after all

All are one in Nagash

- but I don't think its impossible, especially if more gods of the dead are freed from within Nagash

Danny76 wrote:
Well we don’t know.
I think it’ll be a box of 20.
Four sprues.

Yup, mortek were in 20 after all.

Danny76 wrote:
But can they break from his will?
It reads like no one can.

It seems like you can escape his will until he wants you back under it - if you dig a deep enough hole far away enough from Shyish you might be alright, but if he comes knockin' and wants you to dance to his tune you're out of luck.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
After all Nagash does not care why you serve as long as you do - although if they were not useful he would replace the Vampires with Bonereapers and Nighthaunts - probably his long term plan....and soulblight like Neferata probably know it.

Ah, so there's potential for a future schism. I'd love to see vampires position themselves somewhere between Order and Death proper, like they did in WFB.

in the Old World Nagash created first vampires, and thus they were, like all his creatures, enslaved to his will. In Mortal Realms it seems to be the same way- since he is the lord of undeath, all of undead are just extension of his will...some just need more effort to harness, like vampires which like to pretend they have free will.

Cronch wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
After all Nagash does not care why you serve as long as you do - although if they were not useful he would replace the Vampires with Bonereapers and Nighthaunts - probably his long term plan....and soulblight like Neferata probably know it.

Ah, so there's potential for a future schism. I'd love to see vampires position themselves somewhere between Order and Death proper, like they did in WFB.

in the Old World Nagash created first vampires, and thus they were, like all his creatures, enslaved to his will. In Mortal Realms it seems to be the same way- since he is the lord of undeath, all of undead are just extension of his will...some just need more effort to harness, like vampires which like to pretend they have free will.

That is not really correct. First vampires were born when some nobles in goo' old Nehekhara tried to create Nagash potions that could give immense power and immortality. They weren't entirely succesful and before long they had turned into vampires, mockery what they wanted. One thing lead to another and they became (not created for) Nagash champions for short time. So while vampires are tied to Nagash, they have much more independence because they kinda half-accidentally became vampires by Nagash works and not by him.

So Nagash real strenght over vampire is just basically that he is immensely powerful god of the Death. And as vampires are tied to Death magic they can't say no to him.

Yep Neferata was the first Vampire in the Old World and she is the same in the Mortal Realms - however its not totally clear if she (and other Mortarchs) are actually the same people or Nagash's memories of the same, emboiding elements of his personality - at least thats how Arkhan talks about it. Conversely I doubt Nagash would haev bothered with elements of their personaility - ie Neferata flirting with Arkhan....Nagash was a humourless psycho even before he became a Necromancer and vast power/godhood has not done his personality any favours.

I'll definitely be adding that mounted Wight King, his new skeleton retinue and those giant bats to my display case.

Not quite sure about the blood knights yet, but they do look promising.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Very dragon ogre ish really isn’t it.
And he says slept for ages or something too maybe?
Dragon ogres are very old right?

It’s a horse though, innit. Not reptilian, like a Dragon Ogre. Kragan isn’t a very elfy name, and he’s looking at a ruined city when saying his people are gone, so I don’t think it’s Kurnothi either. Plus his shield is that rumour engine of all the dwarfy shields which doesn’t match Kurnothi.

Could this be AOS Chaos Dwarves with some Centaur-God-Dwarf leader thing?

Chaos Dwarves in plastic could explain why FW got rid of their entire range of Legion of Azgorh

Oh my, that would definitely be an amazing twist; having Hashut’s successor/avatar wake up and be all “wait, wtf?” because he completely missed the sundering of the world and the rise of the realms.

So we know the other deathrattle stuff is in SBGL, but what about...
-The other deadwalker stuff. Anyone spot hints of dire wolves or corpse carts?
-Necromancer. The basic human dude, do we think they will be hanging with Soulblight? They are more of an iconic LoN thing, if SBGL are a replacement (at this point unlikely IMO, but still possible) then yes but they don't fit into the role of either vampire or undead thrall.
-Mortis engine. Another deathmage unit, and again doesn't really fit the vampire/thrall categories. Hm.
-Legion black coach. The weird not-a-unit unit that seems to have ended up in a strange sort of limbo.
-Unmounted dragon & terry. Given the VLoZD is most assuredly not going anywhere, it does make sense for these to be in as well.

If we assume the LoN replacement is a thing then Morghasts and Arkhan could end up as either included or ally status only. Though not having Arkhan be able to lead an army for normal undead stuff seems weird. It would also open up (maybe) some Nighthaunt units being drafted in.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So we know the other deathrattle stuff is in SBGL, but what about...
-The other deadwalker stuff. Anyone spot hints of dire wolves or corpse carts?
-Necromancer. The basic human dude, do we think they will be hanging with Soulblight? They are more of an iconic LoN thing, if SBGL are a replacement (at this point unlikely IMO, but still possible) then yes but they don't fit into the role of either vampire or undead thrall.
-Mortis engine. Another deathmage unit, and again doesn't really fit the vampire/thrall categories. Hm.
-Legion black coach. The weird not-a-unit unit that seems to have ended up in a strange sort of limbo.
-Unmounted dragon & terry. Given the VLoZD is most assuredly not going anywhere, it does make sense for these to be in as well.

If we assume the LoN replacement is a thing then Morghasts and Arkhan could end up as either included or ally status only. Though not having Arkhan be able to lead an army for normal undead stuff seems weird. It would also open up (maybe) some Nighthaunt units being drafted in.

I think all the Deathmage stuff is going to go into Soulblight. I expect the Legion Black Coach and any other models like Wolves may just end up beign squatted.

I think the Terrorgheist will probably remain FEC only, but I'm not sure on that one. I think Arkhan is sticking in OBR, and I expect Nagash will be likely be a unit in every Death tome going forward, like he was in OBR.

I think the Corpse Cart holds up pretty damn well...

Danny76 wrote:
Ghouls are loving so wouldn’t count (then the dead stuff in the book being too crazy, the characters etc).

I've got to be honest, but "loving" is not a word I typically associate with Ghouls. Especially in Warhammer settings.

Love that book cover, love the model range, but can't stop pronouncing it "Gravel-ords".


I really don't enjoy Age of Sigmar as a game but I want that book anyway, and the models will find a home in my kings of war undead army if the price is right

 Dysartes wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Ghouls are loving so wouldn’t count (then the dead stuff in the book being too crazy, the characters etc).

I've got to be honest, but "loving" is not a word I typically associate with Ghouls. Especially in Warhammer settings.

Living. They’re living.
And loving.

My only disapointment is that all the undead are still human - was hoping for some Zombies for other races - plastic versions of the Cursed Company

If my eyes and maths are correct, we have seen 9 unique pairs of zombie legs so far and 14 different builds in total. Sprue of ten, each with two distinct build seems likely. Hopefully two such sprues are included in a box.

Either way, that is lot of spare parts and 20 unique poses isn't too bad for a horde unit. It is certainly better than repeating the same four pairs of legs and torsos infinitely.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So we know the other deathrattle stuff is in SBGL, but what about...
-The other deadwalker stuff. Anyone spot hints of dire wolves or corpse carts?
-Necromancer. The basic human dude, do we think they will be hanging with Soulblight? They are more of an iconic LoN thing, if SBGL are a replacement (at this point unlikely IMO, but still possible) then yes but they don't fit into the role of either vampire or undead thrall.
-Mortis engine. Another deathmage unit, and again doesn't really fit the vampire/thrall categories. Hm.
-Legion black coach. The weird not-a-unit unit that seems to have ended up in a strange sort of limbo.
-Unmounted dragon & terry. Given the VLoZD is most assuredly not going anywhere, it does make sense for these to be in as well.

If we assume the LoN replacement is a thing then Morghasts and Arkhan could end up as either included or ally status only. Though not having Arkhan be able to lead an army for normal undead stuff seems weird. It would also open up (maybe) some Nighthaunt units being drafted in.

Vampires have mortal attendants and whole populations of living under their thrall, so I figure Necromancers will likely be baked in. The Corpse Cart's a relatively newish kit, but they do lack the Twigimpaled Deathwalkers(tm) look, although that could be handwaved as them being recent corpses rather than out of the ground. The Mortis Engine will probably stay around by virtue of the Coven Throne still existing, assuming it does.

Black Coach will probably get the chop, but then again, it can have a sealed coffin on the inside.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So we know the other deathrattle stuff is in SBGL, but what about...
-The other deadwalker stuff. Anyone spot hints of dire wolves or corpse carts?
-Necromancer. The basic human dude, do we think they will be hanging with Soulblight? They are more of an iconic LoN thing, if SBGL are a replacement (at this point unlikely IMO, but still possible) then yes but they don't fit into the role of either vampire or undead thrall.
-Mortis engine. Another deathmage unit, and again doesn't really fit the vampire/thrall categories. Hm.
-Legion black coach. The weird not-a-unit unit that seems to have ended up in a strange sort of limbo.
-Unmounted dragon & terry. Given the VLoZD is most assuredly not going anywhere, it does make sense for these to be in as well.

If we assume the LoN replacement is a thing then Morghasts and Arkhan could end up as either included or ally status only. Though not having Arkhan be able to lead an army for normal undead stuff seems weird. It would also open up (maybe) some Nighthaunt units being drafted in.

Vampires have mortal attendants and whole populations of living under their thrall, so I figure Necromancers will likely be baked in. The Corpse Cart's a relatively newish kit, but they do lack the Twigimpaled Deathwalkers(tm) look, although that could be handwaved as them being recent corpses rather than out of the ground. The Mortis Engine will probably stay around by virtue of the Coven Throne still existing, assuming it does.

Black Coach will probably get the chop, but then again, it can have a sealed coffin on the inside.

I mean The Black Coach is now a Nightgaunt unit isn't it? It surely will remain, at least in that form

I'm pretty sure we have a direwolf on the cover of the battle tome, but it could just as easily be some undead familiar, like what the Chamberlain has in Cursed City (unlikely though, since its beside the vampire lord and we've seen that model)

I think the Black Coach could return as a new concept for Vampires if they get it back.

I'd also fully expect dire wolves to remain, wolves/werewolves have always had a close association with classic vampires through the years and I don't foresee GW changing that. Heck if anything we might actually see an increase including things like skin-wolves or were-wolves or similar making it into full plastic models for the army.

 Overread wrote:
I think the Black Coach could return as a new concept for Vampires if they get it back.

I'd also fully expect dire wolves to remain, wolves/werewolves have always had a close association with classic vampires through the years and I don't foresee GW changing that. Heck if anything we might actually see an increase including things like skin-wolves or were-wolves or similar making it into full plastic models for the army.

Agreed Wolves - alive and undead are favoured Vampire elements. Strangely the werewolf element was hardly a thing in the Old World - we had the Children of Ulric and the Norse variety but the Strigori seemed to fulfill some of the traditional werewolf roles.

The new (bloodline?) of vampires is very heavily wolf focussed so I think you might be right - although we are just as likely to get a black coach pulled by Wolves...or a sled....

I heavily doubt we're going to get another new Black Coach like 3 years after it was remade.