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Hey guys !

Last week I plaid vs a BA, and I intend to make a better list for next time. What do you think of this one ?

HQ : Archon with ShadowShield, Phantom Plates, Fantasy(?) Grenades, Venomous(Poisonous?) Blade, Splinter Blast
(I place him with the first unit of Incubi)

Elite : 8 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy(?) ; Raider, Disintegrator Cannon , Improved etheral veil, Eclipsing Field
Elite : 9 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy(?) ; Raider, Disintegrator Cannon , Improved etheral veil, Eclipsing Field

Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Eclipsing Field
Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Eclipsing Field
Troops : 5 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet ; Venom

Heavy Support : Ravager, Eclipsing Field
Heavy Support : Ravager, Eclipsing Field

Arkon wrote:Hey guys !

Last week I plaid vs a BA, and I intend to make a better list for next time. What do you think of this one ?

HQ : Archon with ShadowShield, Phantom Plates, Fantasy(?) Grenades, Venomous(Poisonous?) Blade, Splinter Blast
(I place him with the first unit of Incubi)

Elite : 8 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy(?) ; Raider, Disintegrator Cannon , Improved etheral veil, Eclipsing Field
Elite : 9 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy(?) ; Raider, Disintegrator Cannon , Improved etheral veil, Eclipsing Field

Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Eclipsing Field
Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Eclipsing Field
Troops : 5 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet ; Venom

Heavy Support : Ravager, Eclipsing Field
Heavy Support : Ravager, Eclipsing Field

Some of the stuff you name off is confusing me. Do you have the current Dark Eldar codex?

Yeah, but in french

So, i made translations, maybe not very well.

What is confusing ?

Well the flag on his profile is France, so I'm guessing it's just imperfect translations from the French codex. Phantom Plates = ghostplate, fantasy grenades = phantasm grenade launcher, blood orgy = blood stone, eclipsing field = probably flickerfield.

But, on to the list. The warriors and ravagers look good. However, I'm not sure I'd take two such large units of Incubi. They're fantastic units, but very expensive, and with how fragile Dark Eldar are its probably better to have more diverse units. Also, the wych unit is probably too small to do alot. You would be better off having larger units of wyches in raiders, and small units of Incubi in Venoms.

Ghost plate, phantasem grenade laucher, venomus blade, blast pistol? blaster?

improved aether sails, flicker field, night shield?

I would drop one Incubi squad in for some more wyches.

How about that ?

HQ : Archon with ShadowShield, Ghost Plates, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Venomus Blade, Splinter Blast (Splinter Pistol ?)
(I place him with the first unit of Incubi)

Elite : 3 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy (? not the template, the boni attacks) ; Venom, Splinter Cannon
Elite : 4 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy (? same as before) ; Venom, Splinter Cannon
Elite : 9 Mandraks

Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field (5++)
Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet, Hékatrix, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Neurocid ; Raider, Improved aether sails, Flicker Field

Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field
Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field

Personally I would ditch the Mandrakes completely and try and fit in another unit of Wyches. As it is 3 units of troops is pretty light at 1500pts when you are flying around in paper planes with no armour.

Wyches don't need the Phantasm though, they already have assault (plasma) grenades and if they aren't getting the charge they are probably about to get smashed flat anyway. You don't need the Aethersails on their Raider though, 24" turn 1 + a normal 12" move, 3 " disembark, D6" run and 6" assault covers the entire width of the board (and most of the time you are starting 12" on so two 12" moves has you touching the back board edge).

Stick with two units of 4-5 Incubi for some added punch in combat but mostly you need anti tank firepower so you can deal with heavy armour more effectively and open up transports so you can get to the infantry. Another Ravager would obviously be helpful but probably pushing it a bit as far as points go. More realistically you should be able to change both the Warrior units to Dark Lances (deploy them outside the Raiders in cover) and just have them take pot shots from the backfield, its going to be more helpful in this case than the added anti infantry firepower (which you don't really need with Wyches and Incubi).

Something like that ? I got 1558 point.

HQ : Archon with ShadowShield, Ghost Plates, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Venomus Blade, Splinter Blast (Splinter Pistol ?)
(I place him with the first unit of Incubi)

Elite : 3 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy (? not the template, the boni attacks) ; Venom, Splinter Cannon
Elite : 4 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy (? same as before) ; Venom, Splinter Cannon

Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field (5++)
Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet, Hékatrix, Neurocid ; Raider, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet, Hékatrix, Neurocid ; Raider, Flicker Field

Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field
Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field

I don't really like Dark Lance on Warriors, as it disallow 90% of the unit to shoot. Maybe on Immaculates ?

I'd suggest you loose some of the upgrades on the Incubi units so you can afford more models. If you don't include the Klaivex and his toys you can get a unit of 4 (+ the Archon) and a squad of 5.

(Statistically) The Hydra Gauntlet is only more effective than a Razor Flail if you roll a 6 for the number of attacks. You might want to consider giving the wyches haywire grenades and shardnet/impalers if you fight alot of tanks/walkers

EDIT: typo's

Arkon wrote:Something like that ? I got 1558 point.

HQ : Archon with ShadowShield, Ghost Plates, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Venomus Blade, Splinter Blast (Splinter Pistol ?)
(I place him with the first unit of Incubi)

Elite : 3 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy (? not the template, the boni attacks) ; Venom, Splinter Cannon
Elite : 4 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, BloodOrgy (? same as before) ; Venom, Splinter Cannon

Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field (5++)
Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet, Hékatrix, Neurocid ; Raider, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet, Hékatrix, Neurocid ; Raider, Flicker Field

Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field
Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field

I don't really like Dark Lance on Warriors, as it disallow 90% of the unit to shoot. Maybe on Immaculates ?

Bloodorgy = Onslaught
IMHO why are you running incubi in such small numbers? Run them as 1 solid squad. 3 or 4 Incubi can get killed off really easilly and that is just another kill point for your opponent. Other then that the list looks good. If you have any extra points you can upgrade the incubi to 10 and then give the archon a better weapon.

I'd suggest you loose some of the upgrades on the Incubi units so you can afford more models. If you don't include the Klaivex and his toys you can get a unit of 4 (+ the Archon) and a squad of 5.

They are already 4 + Archon and 5. 3 Incubi + Klaivex + Archon, and 4 Incubi + Klaivex.
Same with the witches, they are two units of 10 : 9 Wyches and an Hékatrix

You might want to consider giving the wyches haywire grenades and shardnet/impalers if you fight alot of tanks/walkers

I don't see the effectivness of the Impaler versus a tank.

Arkon wrote:

I'd suggest you loose some of the upgrades on the Incubi units so you can afford more models. If you don't include the Klaivex and his toys you can get a unit of 4 (+ the Archon) and a squad of 5.

They are already 4 + Archon and 5. 3 Incubi + Klaivex + Archon, and 4 Incubi + Klaivex.
Same with the witches, they are two units of 10 : 9 Wyches and an Hékatrix

You might want to consider giving the wyches haywire grenades and shardnet/impalers if you fight alot of tanks/walkers

I don't see the effectivness of the Impaler versus a tank.

Your only reading half of his message.
Haywire grenades are 2-5 glance 6 pen.
Impalers take a one combat attack to models in b2b. This part was reference to the walkers such as dreadnoughts. If you charge a dreadnought with 2 impalers you can knock it down to 1 attack per turn while you try to kill it with the grenades.

Like that ? It's 1503 points.

HQ : Archon with ShadowShield, Ghost Plates, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Venomus Blade, Splinter Blast (Splinter Pistol ?)
(I place him with the unit of Incubi)

Elite : 8 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, Onslaught, BloodStone ; Raider, Cannon Disintegrator, Flicker Field (5++)

Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field
Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet, Hydra Gauntlet, Hékatrix, Neurocid ; Raider, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Impaler, Impaler, Haywire Grenads, Hékatrix, Disintegrator Pistol ; Raider, Flicker Field

Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field
Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field

At 1500 you really need to consider squeezing in that third ravager. See if there is anything you can cut down a bit

Arkon wrote:Like that ? It's 1503 points.

HQ : Archon with ShadowShield, Ghost Plates, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Venomus Blade, Splinter Blast (Splinter Pistol ?)
(I place him with the unit of Incubi)

Elite : 8 Incubi, Klaivex with DemiKlaive, Onslaught, BloodStone ; Raider, Cannon Disintegrator, Flicker Field (5++)

Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field
Troops : 10 Kabalits Warriors, Splinter Cannon ; Raider, Weapon Rack, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Hydra Gauntlet, Hydra Gauntlet, Hékatrix, Neurocid ; Raider, Flicker Field
Troops : 9 Wyches, Impaler, Impaler, Haywire Grenads, Hékatrix, Disintegrator Pistol ; Raider, Flicker Field

Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field
Heavy Support : Ravager, Flicker Field

Drop one incubi and the bloostone for the incubi. Take these points and give your unit of 10 wyches with the hyrda gauntlets haywire grenades. Also make sure both of you hekatrix have an agoniser as a weapon. Ide also keep dark lance for the raiders. So ide change the incubi raider to a dark lance weapon. This can help make up for not having another ravager

I'm not sure Haywire grenades would be effective on Hydra Gauntlet Wyches, as they are more anti-infantry than anti-tank.

As I'll face BA, isn't bloodstone a good option for Incubi ?

I have already 10 lance, isn't it enough ? The Disintegrator Cannon will help kill FNP BA
Maybe even take three of them on the same Raider.