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2022/11/24 19:37:24
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Because, again, Gloomspite are not the only faction in the book. Spiderfang are their own thing and there is no issue if they want to expand and look at other goblin types.
Which is an indication of GW's laziness and lack of creative depth when it comes to the range. Would you have the same opinion of the release if it was a winged/avian themed elf that was added to the Idoneth battletome? You know seagulls eat crabs, so bird-elves fit with fish-elves if I use that logic. Why expand the resources to create a new product that only shares superficial similarities to the existing range when something with closer ties would garner a better reception (potentially).
It could also be argued that a single kit does not constitute or justify a faction. Unless there are additional kits to be revealed, you cannot field a Snarlfang only army, which I would consider a basic requirement of being a faction. At least with Spiderfang, it is possible to field a complete army composed of just that faction regardless of tabletop viability.
Lumineth have different looking elves that hardly look same. Slaves to darkness ditto. Why gobbos should look all same? Guess you just want gits to be one dimensional joke army...so remove spiders, trolls and squigp as well? If not you have no logic in your arqument.
Dok also shouldn't have snakes and witches in same book. Khorne shouldn't have humans and daemons(same for other books). Std remove chaos warriors and cultists to own books. Ogors beastclaw and gutbusters separate. Gargants mancrushers and mega's to their own. Sylvaneth dryads and spirits to own. Etc etc.
You really want to split books to 1 dimensional mini-factions...
You ignorance and twisting of statements is almost legendary at this point. Must still be bitter about Sons being released when you insisted it would never happen before GSG. To clarify for you,, I never stated that all goblins should look the same, only that the new models are being shoehorned into the GSG book purely because they are goblins and not because they share a cohesive look with the army. Given the expenditures of resources to create the new models, I would have preferred something that better fit the moonclan aestetic.
2022/11/24 19:58:04
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
Why are wolf riders less gloomspitey than trolls and spider riders? What's so less gloomspite in wolf riders than spider riders?
You just make zero sense and have proven that you just want gloomspites to be one dimensional joke army.
You have proven clearly that according to YOUR logic:
goblins, spiders, spider riders and squigs all should be split apart.
Chaos warriors and cultists should each be own book
Khaine snakes and witch elves each should be own book
Lumineth stone guard, vanarian and hurakans all should be all books
Either this is your logic or you are biased "screw gloomspite gits!". Choose which. These are the two options you have if you want to pretend you make some sort of sense.
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2022/11/24 20:16:01
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
tneva82 wrote: Why are wolf riders less gloomspitey than trolls and spider riders? What's so less gloomspite in wolf riders than spider riders?
You just make zero sense and have proven that you just want gloomspites to be one dimensional joke army.
You have proven clearly that according to YOUR logic:
goblins, spiders, spider riders and squigs all should be split apart.
Chaos warriors and cultists should each be own book
Khaine snakes and witch elves each should be own book
Lumineth stone guard, vanarian and hurakans all should be all books
Either this is your logic or you are biased "screw gloomspite gits!". Choose which. These are the two options you have if you want to pretend you make some sort of sense.
It is unfortunate that you are unable to follow my statements and continue to push your false narratives on to me. Clearly you are just looking to be argumentative and take deep offense at anyone that doesn't share your opinions. I hope you enjoy the new models upon release and get many hours of joy from them.
2022/11/24 20:49:23
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Because, again, Gloomspite are not the only faction in the book. Spiderfang are their own thing and there is no issue if they want to expand and look at other goblin types.
Which is an indication of GW's laziness and lack of creative depth when it comes to the range. Would you have the same opinion of the release if it was a winged/avian themed elf that was added to the Idoneth battletome? You know seagulls eat crabs, so bird-elves fit with fish-elves if I use that logic. Why expand the resources to create a new product that only shares superficial similarities to the existing range when something with closer ties would garner a better reception (potentially).
It could also be argued that a single kit does not constitute or justify a faction. Unless there are additional kits to be revealed, you cannot field a Snarlfang only army, which I would consider a basic requirement of being a faction. At least with Spiderfang, it is possible to field a complete army composed of just that faction regardless of tabletop viability.
Lumineth have different looking elves that hardly look same. Slaves to darkness ditto. Why gobbos should look all same? Guess you just want gits to be one dimensional joke army...so remove spiders, trolls and squigp as well? If not you have no logic in your arqument.
Dok also shouldn't have snakes and witches in same book. Khorne shouldn't have humans and daemons(same for other books). Std remove chaos warriors and cultists to own books. Ogors beastclaw and gutbusters separate. Gargants mancrushers and mega's to their own. Sylvaneth dryads and spirits to own. Etc etc.
You really want to split books to 1 dimensional mini-factions...
You ignorance and twisting of statements is almost legendary at this point. Must still be bitter about Sons being released when you insisted it would never happen before GSG. To clarify for you,, I never stated that all goblins should look the same, only that the new models are being shoehorned into the GSG book purely because they are goblins and not because they share a cohesive look with the army. Given the expenditures of resources to create the new models, I would have preferred something that better fit the moonclan aestetic.
While I don't necessarily agree, I don't really disagree either. I definitely get what you're saying though, it's a reasonable opinion.
For anyone who's complaining about Wolf Riders being put in the Gloomspite Gitz book:
Would you prefer if they just changed the title to "and Goblins" since all the Orcs are in another book? Because that's basically where we're at: the old Orcs and Goblins army, minus the Orcs.
And a single unit does NOT beg for it's own book.
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It is unfortunate that you are unable to follow my statements and continue to push your false narratives on to me. Clearly you are just looking to be argumentative and take deep offense at anyone that doesn't share your opinions. I hope you enjoy the new models upon release and get many hours of joy from them.
I follow it. And just point how YOUR logic results in stupid situations like witch elves and blood sisters needing to be split to own books.
If you don't have self-esteem to admit on standing by YOUR logic...Well duh. That's your loss.
I follow it. And just point how YOUR logic results in stupid situations like witch elves and blood sisters needing to be split to own books.
If you don't have self-esteem to admit on standing by YOUR logic...Well duh. That's your loss.
First, your example is a bad one since Daughters are not split (or at risk of being split) as you would suggest and a quick look at a single picture shows you the design elements that are shared across the whole range. The aesthetics of the armor, the headpieces warn by the female models, and the same general facial features/designs of exposed skin or masks. Now compare that with the new snarlfangs and existing GSG models. All GSG models share similar aesthetics (robes, squigs, weapon design, mushrooms, etc...) with each other. The only similarities between GSG and Snarlfangs is the "race" of the models. Note: I recognize spiderfang were shoehorned into the last book, but at least all of the spiderfang models share similar visual elements and you can collect a functional army using just models that fit into that design.
For the last time, I would have liked to have seen something with the current GSG aesthetic (like a unit of the grots firing little squigs with slingshots or a troll throwing a bag of squigs). Just because someone cannot envision how to expand a model range doesn't mean someone more talented cannot. I don't care for the approach so far that GW has taken for this release and would have enjoyed something that better suited how I like my GSG army to look.
I have no clue what you are implying by lack of self-esteem and loss. Such comments again reflect your overly hostile tone and why I tried to graciously disengage from the conversation with you. I stand by my points, but do not wish to further waste my time having any more of a discussion with someone so hate filled and angry. You shall be forever known to me as the first person in 17 years on this site that I have had to add to my ignore list.
For anyone who's complaining about Wolf Riders being put in the Gloomspite Gitz book:
Would you prefer if they just changed the title to "and Goblins" since all the Orcs are in another book? Because that's basically where we're at: the old Orcs and Goblins army, minus the Orcs.
And a single unit does NOT beg for it's own book.
Agreed, a single unit should not have its own book (though it could be argued GW has done such this year with the Incarnate). My position is that I would have preferred GW spent their limited resources on expanding the existing factions (GSG & spiderfangs). As I wrote above, just because we cannot come-up with new ideas for an existing faction doesn't mean others cannot do it. As an example, a few of the Underworlds warbands have "previewed" cool ideas that could expand existing factions. The same preview prompting this discussion showed at least two new possible units for GSG with minimal effort. If you are in the camp of anything new is good, that is a totally valid opinion.
At this point, it is what it is, so not reason to keep dragging on the discussion. Much appreciation for the sharing of opinions on it and here is to an awesome run of releases in 2023.
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2022/12/01 15:14:04
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
Have we seen any word on the individual releases from the Slaves to Darkness army set?
I did a search but came up with nothing.
I'm assuming $60 for Theridons, & $60 for 5 Chosen. But is the Daemon Prince going to create a new price brakcet around $75, or be at the $65 of Bobby G?
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2022/12/01 18:09:32
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
skrulnik wrote: Have we seen any word on the individual releases from the Slaves to Darkness army set?
Next year, most likely January.
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2022/12/08 21:55:12
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
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2022/12/08 22:26:50
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
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Looks suitably silly and fun. They're going to be the first Underworlds warband I've purchased in about 2 seasons, I think.
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From the start Gutrippaz should have been ~150 pts with their shields giving a flat -1 to hit them all the time. I'd have even given 10+ sized units an Idoneth-esque 'have to shoot me if I'm closest' ability.
Looks suitably silly and fun. They're going to be the first Underworlds warband I've purchased in about 2 seasons, I think.
Oh dam, that is potent. Giving fight-on-death at the start of the combat phase can be a VERY powerful buff for a GSG player who exploits it correctly. And is still pretty dam nice even in a less than ideal situation.
[Edit] OK, I see it now... puffanatics, three units of snufflers, spiker, loonboss, looncourt... all buffing a unit of stabbas. 5 attacks each, rr wounds of 1, deal a MW on wounds of 6, and fight when they die in the combat phase! It's a bunch of hoops but it makes them perform as well as... plague monks do... just for showing up with a priest at their back...
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From the start Gutrippaz should have been ~150 pts with their shields giving a flat -1 to hit them all the time. I'd have even given 10+ sized units an Idoneth-esque 'have to shoot me if I'm closest' ability.
Unfortunately, Poison has always been one of those things that they overcost due to what it can potentially do and refuse to adjust it despite on the board performance not bearing out their conclusion. Pretty much everything in the subfaction could do with a 10-30 point(depending on unit) decrease across the board to start.
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2022/12/09 23:02:52
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
GW wrote:This commemorative miniature will be available exclusively at Warhammer stores from Boxing Day* until Sunday the 8th of January 2023. You’ll be able to order it online between Saturday the 7th of January and Sunday the 15th of January, so dip your finger in blood – er, cranberry sauce – and circle your calendar.
*For those not in the UK, Boxing Day is the 26th December
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2022/12/12 14:12:45
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
I’ve wanted to go a throne conversion ever since that ghoul king artwork. Thus will be cheaper than buying the craven king but I’m not loving the idea that his cape is going to be attached to the throne tho
Edit: wait it’s exclusive??
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2022/12/12 14:55:46
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
It's exclusive but will be orderable from the GW store. It's a bit of a shame because its awesome and Flehseaters freaking need every model they can get.
That said if its the direction GW takes artistically with their range in the future I think it will be awesome. Flesheaters have such a huge gap between their models and their lore so seeing a model like this is just what they need a whole lost more of.
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Must think his valiant steed has gone lame
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2022/12/12 15:16:36
Subject: AOS N&R (Battletome Roadmap, BoC and GG preview pg 111)
