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2011/02/16 20:50:08
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Is it possible that the death of the Emperor will bring about yet another Chaos God? I have not looked far into the background of 40k, aside from the Codices and the HH itself, and want to know whether or not my theory is plausable. Thank you in advance for any answers.
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Thunderfrog wrote:
+1 Str for like 5 points? To autocannons or assault cannons? Hell yea. Then the Reinforced Aegis upgrade for free AND the ability to ignore stunned shaken.. pretty much for free..
Other Dreadnaughts should just go somewhere and be a toaster.
Mattieu~~~~ It's not that eldar are bad, it's that they require a lot of intergration between units. Also, that doesnt prove anything other than GW has a huge hard-on for marines, and, given the option between making a xeno the best psykers or making a marine the best psyker, they will 9 times out of 10 choose the marine.
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Tzeentchling9 wrote:Mephy can't be swept. He is still a marine so he has the, "And They Shall Never Get Removed From The Table After Losing Combat Like Everyone Else Because They Are The Poster Boys" special rule.
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2011/02/16 20:56:49
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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AFAIK when the Emperor really die, his soul will go to warp and rape Chaos Gods. Or he will resurrect, witch will also result in raping them.
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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2011/02/16 22:20:10
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Should the Emperor's soul be released from its physical bonds then that would allow Him to reincarnate.
I have my own idea that the worship of untold trillions of humans in a false image of the Emperor is creating a warp entity however, which I call the Carrion Lord but that's only my idea of course.
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2011/02/16 22:21:25
Subject: Re:Another Chaos God?
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Stormin' Stompa
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The entire human race shall weep, create the God of despair.
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2011/02/16 22:26:07
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Frazzled is the 5th chaos god.
/thread.
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2011/02/16 23:57:28
Subject: Re:Another Chaos God?
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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These are bits taken from the Lexicanum's article on the "Star Child" that I believe will shed a bit of light on your question:
After Horus rebelled and destroyed the Emperor's mortal frame, his body and soul could no longer remain as one; his soul melted into the warp, only a tiny core of the Emperor's humanity remaining whole, which was like a small child in a tiny reed boat adrift in the storm of the warp. Since the Emperor's soul survived, there was a possibility that his whole essence could be reborn once more.
In the same way the Shamans died together to reincarnate as the Emperor, the Emperor's death too could herald a new saviour. That time would lie far in the future, when mankind's desire for a new saviour would strengthen the core of the Emperor's soul and rekindle it to new life.
The soul of the Emperor adrift in the warp is the Star Child. The humans that were left in charge of the Imperium had no real understanding of what had happened to the Emperor. Though the Emperor's body continued to live within the Golden Throne and his mind continued to be a beacon for humanity, his soul is a god waiting to be born.
However this is only one view on the meaning of the "Star Child". For more read the rest of the article, and consider looking into "The Inquisition War" by Ian Watson.
Also in the above-mentioned article is a bit fact supporting Brother Coa's first statement in his post:
It is stated in Eye of Terror, a novel by the deceased Barrington J. Bayley, that once the Emperor dies his soul will be freed to go into the warp. Here it will Neutralize the Chaos Gods, causing the physical universe to fight one last bloody conflict against each other for the control of the galaxy.
If memory serves, the release of the Star Child is also thought to be one of the possible motives of Cypher, the most infamous Fallen Angel.
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2011/02/17 05:24:31
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Mr Meatballs wrote:Frazzled is the 5th chaos god.
There are hundreds of chaos gods.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2011/02/17 07:57:49
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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Technically there is already a fifth Chaos God, Malial the ultimate god of Chaos mainly becuase he is Chaos incarnate. His existence is downplayed in the current editions but anyone worshiping him is just as likely to kill the more "ordered" god's worshipers than the forces of the Imperium for no real rhyme or reason.
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2011/02/17 11:41:37
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne
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tarvos wrote:Technically there was a fifth Chaos God, Malal the ultimate god of Chaos mainly becuase he is Chaos incarnate. His existence was retconned ages ago so he doesn't exist anymore.
Fixed 
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2011/02/17 12:10:14
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Beast of Nurgle
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Didn't Ahriman of the Thousand Sons try and get into the Black Library to make himself into a new Chaos God?
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2011/02/17 12:20:03
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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One Canoptek Scarab in a Swarm
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silpheedpilot wrote:Didn't Ahriman of the Thousand Sons try and get into the Black Library to make himself into a new Chaos God?
no he is trying to understand chaos (mainly tzeentch) but the eldar wont give in... silly eldar 
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2011/02/18 12:42:12
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
Firing my Hellgun into a Fire Warrior's head....
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Really Malal is the only Chaos god that makes sense, the others have worshipers that form ranks and armies to fight the Imperium. Doing this is a form of order...... then again im just thinking about it to much
No, though. I dont think the death of the Emperor would cause this. I dont think anything the emperor does can result in evil  . If it did do this though the Emperor would just beat it down in the Warp.
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2011/02/18 14:29:29
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne
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xXSir MontyXx wrote:I dont think anything the emperor does can result in evil
How about creating the primarchs? Half of them ended up pretty evil.
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2011/02/18 17:02:24
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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One Canoptek Scarab in a Swarm
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Gorechild wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:I dont think anything the emperor does can result in evil
How about creating the primarchs? Half of them ended up pretty evil.
Touche...
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2011/02/18 20:19:14
Subject: Re:Another Chaos God?
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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To bring the thread back to subject:
We do know that incredibly profound events can, over time, bring about the formation of a God. Slaanesh was formed through the Eldar's excess.
With the theory of the Star Child and the above fact, it is understandable to think that the death of such an important individual as the Emperor would have a sufficient enough affect on the Warp as to bring about a new God.
Due to the Chaos God's constant struggle for power, either between themselves or with the Imperium, I find that it would follow that any God borne of the Emperor would be in the vein of offsetting the inherent evil of the current Chaos God's.
But to directly answer OP's question: The two standing theories on the effect of the Emperor's death are thus:
-He will be reincarnated into another significant being, the next Emperor of Mankind (Perhaps even with memories of his previous life. The current emperor is just a reincarnation of every Shaman of Old Earth's souls bound into one being. He possesses their talents and their knowledge. I am unsure if he possesses their memories though.)
-The parts of his soul still trapped within his mortal frame will join the parts of soul drifting in the warp and he will become a new, whole, and astoundingly powerful warp entity. Whether that entity will be a god in the sense of the current ones, I do not know.
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2011/02/21 21:46:31
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
Firing my Hellgun into a Fire Warrior's head....
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skwiff wrote:Gorechild wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:I dont think anything the emperor does can result in evil
How about creating the primarchs? Half of them ended up pretty evil.
Touche...
very touche.... but I was just pretending to be an Imperium fan-boy. But very good point.
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"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy."
"We are judged in life by the evil we destroy."
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2011/02/21 22:12:51
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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Gorechild wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:I dont think anything the emperor does can result in evil
How about creating the primarchs? Half of them ended up pretty evil.
However, i think i read that chaos "leaked in" as they fell through the empyrean as sleeping baby super men in pods.
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2011/02/22 02:11:22
Subject: Re:Another Chaos God?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The 5th Chaos God,once known as Malal, still exists but is now known as Malice and is worshipped primarily by the Sons of Malice. A short story in the Heroes of the Space Marines anthology describes the entity as the Hierarch of Anarchy and Terror.
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2011/02/22 05:30:30
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Gorechild wrote:tarvos wrote:Technically there was a fifth Chaos God, Malal the ultimate god of Chaos mainly becuase he is Chaos incarnate. His existence was retconned ages ago so he doesn't exist anymore.
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he was not reconned out of existance. even the chaos marine codex still makes mention of him, read up on the sons of malal
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2011/02/22 05:55:08
Subject: Re:Another Chaos God?
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Crazed Bloodkine
Baltimore, Maryland
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Whoops wrong thread!
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
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2011/02/22 06:05:42
Subject: Re:Another Chaos God?
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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Well, the thing with Malal is that he was created back in the day when the author, not GW, had copyright of a BL book. Because of some 'troubles' involving this kind of copyright, Malal does not technically belong to GW anymore. The Sons of Malice is a sneaky way of including him in an offhand way that does not breach copyright. But I prefer him over the rest.
As for the Emperor's death, that would cause proper trouble, for one, warp-travel would become impossible now the astronomican's gone, and second, the daemons that the Emperor sealed behind the Golden Throne would be unleashed upon Terra. Those are two immediate events that would utterly screw the Imperium, reincarnation/Chaos God nullifying or not.
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2011/02/22 10:09:20
Subject: Another Chaos God?
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Posts with Authority
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Plus there is the fact that the entire Imperial economy is based in a very convoluted manner on a ridiculously large bar tab that the Emperor, Russ, Dorn, Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus managed to run up one night; If the Emperor dies, he can't pay up and it all falls apart overnight.
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