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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 15:07:34
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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More attacks + more wounds or less attacks+ wounds but more instakill ?
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Im not larger than life , Im not taller than trees..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 17:43:57
Subject: Re:Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Guarding Guardian
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depends on who you're fighting, really. You're only hope for either one is that you are fighting someone who is stupid enough to let you get close with them. Most people are just going to mow them down before they get into melee range anyway. I've officially retired my eldar untill the neww codex comes out. They desperately need to change some rules to give the melee eldar a fighting chance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 17:49:15
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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[DCM]
Coastal Bliss in the Shadow of Sizewell
Suffolk, where the Aliens roam.
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Tough question. I'd generally prefer Banshee's in a Wave Serpent just because they help with Marine opponents.
Of course a Scorpion Squad is slightly more durable, and could work like (a much more expensive) Ork Nob delivery system for a Claw armed Exarch.
I am slightly biased mind, and tend to use Banshee's whenever I can just because they are one of the rare 'female' 40K units.
I use them against Dark Eldar atm when other choices would probably be more useful just because I love the figs.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 17:55:12
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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Thanks guys appreciate the feedback
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Im not larger than life , Im not taller than trees..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 17:58:06
Subject: Re:Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Standard answer is Banshees against 3+ Armour armies (called MEQ=Marine equivalent) and Scorpions against hordes (called GEQ Guard equivalent).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 19:00:59
Subject: Re:Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Scenarios where Banshees should be preferred:
Playing against MEQ, or Termies without SS
Meching up with a WS for every unit
Playing against an army that spams FNP (e.g. Orks with Painboy)
Scenarios where Scorpions should be preferred:
Playing against GEQ
Running a footslogging list
Playing against an army that spams MCs (e.g. Tyranids)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/10 19:20:27
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Fully-charged Electropriest
Varying cities in the North
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Banshees for the marine-killing power!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 09:10:30
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Implacable Skitarii
Sweden
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Never seen the Scorpions in use actually, but Banshees with Doom from a FarSeer will cut through MEQ like a machete through butter. Only problem is to get them close enough but Wave Serpent usually gets the job done.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 09:26:04
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/edit/40180.page
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Banshees for weakish toughness armoured units or units with FNP and Striking Scorpions for  , well elite-ish units like marines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 09:37:07
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne
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Banshee's NEED a wave serpent and a farseer to even have a hope of being effective. They can't disembark and assault at all if the wave serpent has moved at all this turn (even just pivoting), So delivering them is hard. However, if you can do it then they're awesome. Scorps are the easier option (can get stuck in without needing a transport) and great vs Hordes. It depends on what you play against most, and how confident you are that you can deliver banshees.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 12:19:25
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Lady of the Lake
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Like Kroot said, which is the generic answer which shows up each and every time in this thread whenever it reappears.
Of course the main thing to consider is the target you're throwing them at. for example the Banshees are better than the Scorpions against TH/SS terminators, but it's actually better to take them out with shooting and use them to assault stuff like an Assault Squad of Death Company; in that case it would be the Banshees. They're elite assault, but need to pick their targets carefully as they can't stand up to a lot of the newer elite melee units.
That being said I use neither of them and have no problems at all in my area. I've considered getting some Banshees, but they really haven't been needed all that much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 15:44:05
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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So with scorpions having plasma grenades assaulting into cover still allows them to strike at initiative order , but since the enemy is in cover( forest) do they get a cover save against wounds caused in combat? Can you even shoot into forests and see models?
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Im not larger than life , Im not taller than trees..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 15:57:08
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne
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You never get cover saves in CC, only from shooting if half of the unit is obscured. In CC you have to rely on armour saves or inv's.
As n0t_u said, there isn't really a need for either. There is nothing you can't achieve with fire dragons or dire avengers really  I have a unit of 10 banshee's that I use whenever I can, but thats only because I really love the models. Neither is vital to the success of an eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 16:07:53
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Stoic Grail Knight
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I always choose banshees if iI'm taking cc.
I won't take harlies because they can't get a dedicated transport, and I play fast eldar.
I can't justify scorpions because my troops (Dire Avengers + Storm Guardians) are veritable small arms meat grinders. I can't really see a situation where a striking scorpion charge can get something done that a blade storm or 3 flame templates can't do.
Banshees however, I can see engaging resilient targets (like Angel Assault Marines) that can shrug off my small arms fire. They need doom, or they just flail around but once they have doom support they are a lot of fun.
That said, if I'm playing more competitive, I'll swap em out for a second squad of dragons, but they are fun to play and the models are cool. People make funny faces when you tell them that every model has a power weapon  .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 18:18:57
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Neither nor. I'd avoid cc if possible.
Banshees are good vs. MEQ units if that unit is doomed.
Scorpions are good vs. GEQ units.
In both cases, a power fist puts them into a world of hurt.
Combat resolution eventually leads to an end of cc quickly, maybe not in your favor.
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Former moderator 40kOnline
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/11 20:08:00
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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wuestenfux wrote:Neither nor. I'd avoid cc if possible.
Banshees are good vs. MEQ units if that unit is doomed.
Scorpions are good vs. GEQ units.
In both cases, a power fist puts them into a world of hurt.
Combat resolution eventually leads to an end of cc quickly, maybe not in your favor.
I agree, the real answer here is neither.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/12 00:29:51
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
Canfield, OH
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Stvafel wrote:Never seen the Scorpions in use actually, but Banshees with Doom from a FarSeer will cut through MEQ like a machete through butter. Only problem is to get them close enough but Wave Serpent usually gets the job done.
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"...THIS IS THE INTERWEBZ! Where people aren't about to let the lack of having the slightest idea what they are talking about slow them down one bit! ;-).....And they'll get angry at others for disagreeing." - jmurph
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/12 01:19:10
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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I would choose striking scorps because you've got anti meq and banshees need a transport.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/12 07:33:06
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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If I would ever consider them, I'd go with Scorpions mounted in a Serpent letting them outflank.
They could go whereever you want them due to the speed of the Serpent.
Let them inside the transport when they appear on the battlefield.
Next turn they could move out and eventually charge.
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Former moderator 40kOnline
Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/12 11:25:14
Subject: Re:Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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well, you could take both or you could take banshees if ur opponent is fielding lots of MEQs and scorpions if they're horde
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/12 12:15:03
Subject: Re:Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
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I prefer banshees because they always strike at I10, and for 5 points can always have 3 attacks base. Power weapons are also very nice, and the exarch is actually useful.
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LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/12 12:42:04
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Major
Middle Earth
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They should really sticky some of these questions that come up over and over again
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/12 13:17:46
Subject: Eldar question here, Howling banshees or striking scorpions?
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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EmilCrane wrote:They should really sticky some of these questions that come up over and over again
I second this, but this can be a lot of work.
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Former moderator 40kOnline
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