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stonefox wrote:I was playing a game with a friend at the warhams store.

Mmmm... delicious Warhams.... (*hargle*)

chromedog wrote:We value a good sport player more than a cheesehead (and I'm not just making a derogatory remark about Dutch people).

You know, my American ethnocentricity is showing. First time I saw that, I had to re-read it because I though you were talking about a football fan from Wisconsin.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:At one point I was playing a guy and had to take an "All on his own" check. Now, at my FLGS we have a running gag that we sing a bit of "All By Myself" when rolling for this. It's just kinda habit....halfway through my solo I realize I'm in a room of 200 or so gamers I don't know, singing forlorn 80s love songs to my opponent (loudly!)!

You know, I couldn't help but laugh out loud. I think I'm going to start doing this from now on!

punkisntdeadyet wrote:I was matched up with a forty year old, rather heavy-set man with a skullet and moustache. I had no idea he was probably the most UNFRIENDLY man in the store.

To have over other word punctuated with an f-bomb (loudly) whenever he rolled badly or I did something right (very rarely), DEFINITELY leaves an awkward impression.

I've been terrified every since.

Yowza, man. You'd think someone that age would clean up his language around someone significantly younger than himself. If it makes you feel any better, jerks like that tend to be a rarity.

mattyboy22 wrote:I've also seen a 40 year old man go "WOOO!" extremely loudly and start humping a table well saying "CAN YOU FEEL IT I JUST (EXPLETIVE) YOU UP!!" over and over after he killed a little kids HQ.

Or maybe not...

halonachos wrote:My most awkward moment was when we were playing a game of 2vs2. It was turn 4 when all of a sudden, my friend on the other side got a phone call. He hung up, looked at us and said "Well, my girlfriend just dumped me.". That was pretty awkward.

I can top that.

Awkward moment #1: I was playing in an escalation league a few months back. In my first-ever league game, I was getting trounced pretty soundly. It was turn 4 and my opponent got a telephone call. After hanging up, he said, eyes kind of distant and welling up with tears, "My uncle just died."

I was dumbfounded.

He sniffled, wiped a tear away, and said, "So, you wanna keep playing?"

"No, no, no," I said. "I... uh... I'll just concede. Yeah."

On a more lighthearted note...

Awkward moment #2: I was playing Classic Battletech at the friendly local gaming store. Most of the guys were in their late 20's or older, save for one of the player's kids, a lively little 10 year old who likes to play Battletech, too. Shooting phase of the first round was underway. Most players ducked behind partial cover or were out of range of my weaponry, save for the youngest player. He was all alone, in the midst of a flat area, completely vulnerable.

Now, for years, whenever I would play my Street Fighter or Samurai Showdown, there was this unspoken code that if a little kid wants to challenge you, you don't pound them into the ground and rub their faces in it. You let them get a free hit here or you "forget" to block there, and just generally take it easy on them. You still win (it's costing you a quarter, after all), but you let the kid get a few jollies along the way and let them walk away happy. It had always kinda carried over into other games I played, including Vs. System, Battletech, and Warhammer.

The guy running the game asked me to declare fire. "Um..." I stammered. "I... uh... I kinda want to shoot the kid, but..."

Before I could finish my sentence, everyone else chimed in.
"Go ahead."
"Light 'im up."
"Nobody would blame ya."
"It's his fault for standing there, anyway."

"So, I guess I'm shooting the kid, then."

Awkward moment #3: My friend and I were playing a friendly 1000 point game. This teenager (around 14?) comes up and asks to play. He has Tyranids. It was a little late to restart, being in the middle of turn 3 as it was, but we said we would play with him when we were done. The whole time my buddy and I were finishing up, the 'Nid kid and his friend were manhandling our models without asking, sometimes in an unsanitary manner. ("Wow." *wipe nose* *sniff* *wipe nose* "Cool paint job.")

So, 'Nid kid, my buddy, and I set up a three-way game. Fourth, Tau-playing guy says, "I want to play, too. Wait here." At that, he pretty much starts running the entire game, pulling out 3,000 points of Tau and declaring that he will take the three of us all at once. I shrug my shoulders. My friend shrugs his shoulders. Why the hell not?

Halfway through turn 1, 'Nid kid's mom picks him up, leaving my friend and myself at a supreme disadvantage over Tau guy.

spartanghost wrote:ah. I figured he'd go too far sooner or later. Hope he learns his lesson.

One could pray, but I am guessing not. Suspensions, to me, seem to be a bit more about protecting the community at large. I mean, after all; how do you really punish someone on the far end of the wire? I applaud the effort and see it as appropriate, but I just don't think it is incredibly effective. Prehaps multiple applications.

MagickalMemories wrote:

spartanghost wrote:ah. I figured he'd go too far sooner or later. Hope he learns his lesson.

He went too far sooner AND later.
It was really just a matter of time.

Reading many of his posts were Awkward Moments for me.


Eric

Agreed, MM. His posts appear to be stretching for some shock-jock quality. However I think his reach exceeds his grasp by quite the ways.

Gwar! wrote:Now you see, I was the other kind of person. I would have steam rolled him and made him quit 40k, because the game doesn't need players like that.

I'm also a bitter old man of 21 annoyed at how kids today get everything they want handed to them on a silver platter.

Why steamroll instead of teach? Did you never have someone teach you something in your life? You were not born knowing all you do, you learned much from you parents, other family members, and people surrounding you in your community. Well, you should have at any rate; that's the way it should be working. I think it is more likely that rather than actually believe that steamrolling is the better route "for the good of the 40k gaming community" (quotes for emphasis, I dont care about anyones MLA or AMA), you rather just would take the easy way out (steamrolling a child) as a matter of not knowing how to teach or being too disinterested to care enough to teach. Sure, teaching someone like that may come dangerously close to parenting, which is not your role; but if you are both in the same place at the same time, then you are a part of his community and he is going to learn from watching you, like it or not. And you would choose to exhibit a poor example that is full of lack of self-esteem and venom rather than a positive example that the kid might actually find something worthwhile to emulate? Also, as Che-Vito pointed out, you are very much of the same generation as the sprogs whom you put-down in your post. However, you are older, and they will look to you whether anyone there realizes they are doing it or not. Really, only you by choosing your reactions will be able to have any determination of what kind of examples they have to learn and draw their own comclusions from. So when you take shots at those young kids in the future for their behavior, you can take great pride in contributing to their problem by exhibiting emotionally bankrupt and completely self-absorbed behaviors for them to emulate. [sarcasm] Because I am sure that your example will make great strides in showing them how to be better people. [/sarcasm]

Darkreaver55 wrote:Pipe swung by human? Bonk. Ex-sewer pipe swung by vampire? Bonk! Ewwww.

I suddenly had flashbacks to "Shadow Hearts: Covenant."


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two_heads_talking wrote:Get that kid excited, get him so excited and involved that when you yell waaaaghh! he pisses his pants.. Anyone of you that gets a kid to piss his pants in an intro game will get a bonus.. <snip> (I'll leave it to your imagination as to whether or not I was able to get the bonus...)

Somehow, it's funniest if I imagine that you did.

Many bonuses, many times.

grizgrin wrote:Suspensions, to me, seem to be a bit more about protecting the community at large. I mean, after all; how do you really punish someone on the far end of the wire?

Well, if someone really is overly disruptive, Dakka management can always WarSeer somebody with a permaban...

Scott-S6 wrote:
That was a nice thing to do but letting him get his way by crying is doing him no favours at all. If his parents understood that then maybe he'd sort himself out.

My eldest is starting to get interested in gaming (she's going through a wants to be like daddy phase) and I'd be pretty annoyed if I saw someone totally throwing a game against her. Doubly so if they did it because she had a tantrum.

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Amen, Brother.
My youngest is 11 and showing an interest.
She may be the apple of my eye, but there's no way I'll EVER throw a game. Learning how to lose is as important as learning how to win, IMO.

I never threw a game against her brother & sister (20 & 23, respectively) on anything, and I'm not about to start now.

Teaches them how to be a good sport and that you can't always get everything in life.


Eric

Lets IXNEY on the SUSPENSION STUFF EH?

grizgrin wrote:Why steamroll instead of teach? Did you never have someone teach you something in your life? You were not born knowing all you do, you learned much from you parents, other family members, and people surrounding you in your community. Well, you should have at any rate; that's the way it should be working. I think it is more likely that rather than actually believe that steamrolling is the better route "for the good of the 40k gaming community" (quotes for emphasis, I dont care about anyones MLA or AMA), you rather just would take the easy way out (steamrolling a child) as a matter of not knowing how to teach or being too disinterested to care enough to teach. Sure, teaching someone like that may come dangerously close to parenting, which is not your role; but if you are both in the same place at the same time, then you are a part of his community and he is going to learn from watching you, like it or not. And you would choose to exhibit a poor example that is full of lack of self-esteem and venom rather than a positive example that the kid might actually find something worthwhile to emulate? Also, as Che-Vito pointed out, you are very much of the same generation as the sprogs whom you put-down in your post. However, you are older, and they will look to you whether anyone there realizes they are doing it or not. Really, only you by choosing your reactions will be able to have any determination of what kind of examples they have to learn and draw their own comclusions from. So when you take shots at those young kids in the future for their behavior, you can take great pride in contributing to their problem by exhibiting emotionally bankrupt and completely self-absorbed behaviors for them to emulate. [sarcasm] Because I am sure that your example will make great strides in showing them how to be better people. [/sarcasm]

I teach while not going easy on them. If they want to beat me, they need to learn and improve. Throwing the first few games is not going to help them do that.

Awkward Moment:
Last night at the Tuesday League of 2000pts, matchups were handed out (I was only watching not playing). A couple of my friends got matched up against one another, a few acquaintences and so on. The awkward one however came when the friendly Nids player got pitted against a Chaos army....being run by his wife.

In and of itself that can be awkward, but what was more awkward was that he played her just like he played anyone else: in a calculating manner that sees him win most times.

So he wins, but in a way, he lost. His wife was more than a little pissed off by the end of the night......

So you are saying that anything but steamrolling is "going easy"? Also, you are saying that passive teaching is the only way to teach?

Riiiiiight.


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ShadowRocket wrote:Awkward Moment:
Last night at the Tuesday League of 2000pts, matchups were handed out (I was only watching not playing). A couple of my friends got matched up against one another, a few acquaintences and so on. The awkward one however came when the friendly Nids player got pitted against a Chaos army....being run by his wife.

In and of itself that can be awkward, but what was more awkward was that he played her just like he played anyone else: in a calculating manner that sees him win most times.

So he wins, but in a way, he lost. His wife was more than a little pissed off by the end of the night......

Wow, talk about not knowing when to pick your battles...

grizgrin wrote:So you are saying that anything but steamrolling is "going easy"? Also, you are saying that passive teaching is the only way to teach?

Riiiiiight.

I'm saying that is what works in my Experience. I have lost track of the number of kids I have taught. The Vast Majority of them have rallied up and committed themselves to beating me. I gave them a goal and made them work for it, something which a vast majority of kids today no longer get. Yes, I have had the occasional "Whaa whaa emoragequit" but I don't bother myself about them. Honestly, if a Kid cries at losing a game, what kind of person do you think they will grow up to be?

Possibly a better one if they are shown a better example and that they are worth a little investment, instead of seeing an "older" person quit on them because they are not worth the effort? Way to go, role model.

grizgrin wrote:Possibly a better one if they are shown a better example and that they are worth a little investment, instead of seeing an "older" person quit on them because they are not worth the effort? Way to go, role model.

No-one game two gaks when I was learning the game. I learnt it the way I teach it, and It just so happens I am really, really good at it. There is a method behind my madness

Aww, did someone get manhandled when he was a 40k virgin? Wow dude, it's just suppossed to be a game, not a neurosis. And you are NOW telling me that a dang minis game is your only experienceat teaching or being taught that was effective in your life?

grizgrin wrote:Aww, did someone get manhandled when he was a 40k virgin? Wow dude, it's just suppossed to be a game, not a neurosis. And you are NOW telling me that a dang minis game is your only experienceat teaching or being taught that was effective in your life?

No, but I have found that in areas of my life where I was challenged and made to work for achievement, rather than have everything handed to me, I have come out stronger. I don't understand why you are getting so upset over my teaching methods. Would you rather I throw every game I ever play against someone younger than me, then buy them fish and chips and congratulate them on a job well done? Has it not occurred to you that throwing a game against someone who wants to genuinely learn and improve at the game can be just as degrading as playing to the best of your ability and beating them?

A teaching game isn't really a game though. It's expected by both sides that the teacher will remind the new player of rules, explain why they can't make certain decisions, help with deployment and basic tactics (At least while still learning the rules), and often compile the lists ahead of time. At that point, playing for the win is kind of pointless, IMO.

Assuming a person isn't a seasoned wargamer, it takes most people 1 or 2 games just to master the flow of the turns and the basic rules, and another game or two after that to really catch on to tactics. It's really not until a player has a sound understanding of the game mechanics and how the units in both armies work that there is any game to win at all. Rather than "throwing" games, I think it's generally more useful to make sure to set up as many situations in game as possible to demonstrate mechanics: morale tests, sweeping advances, transports, reserves, etc.

After a few games, if they want to play, they can play, but even then there is a huge range of behaviors between "Welcome to thunderdome" and throwing the game that can be triggered based on the context of the game. What list I bring, what army I play, how strict I am on LOS and take backs, reminders of rules, reminders of mission requirements, etc. all can be used to help handicap a weaker player while still forcing them to actually rise to the occasion to win.

Modquisition on:
*Gentlemen, lets remember Dakka Rule #1: be polite. Lets keep this professional shall we?

Modquisition off:
*(is there a rule #2?)
*We may be talking semantics. One can play to best of their abilities with “youngins” but still be helpful. Going step by step talking tactics and rules as you go. Especially tactics. I personally like to do that. Also helping them make a list beforehand is good else they can be blown apart with no effort (as we all know listmaking is highly important)
-This meets both your statements so…cease fire no?


If a player is somewhat less than total newb I’ve also done the tactics but gave myself a point disadvantage to keep it a challenge for myself while at the same time allowing me to go full bore.

I enjoy playing Warhams with an impartial judge to moderate.

Bodichi wrote:I enjoy playing Warhams with an impartial judge to moderate.

Your avatar also suggests you like WarHAMS

Gwar! wrote:

grizgrin wrote:So you are saying that anything but steamrolling is "going easy"? Also, you are saying that passive teaching is the only way to teach?

Riiiiiight.

I'm saying that is what works in my Experience. I have lost track of the number of kids I have taught. The Vast Majority of them have rallied up and committed themselves to beating me. I gave them a goal and made them work for it, something which a vast majority of kids today no longer get. Yes, I have had the occasional "Whaa whaa emoragequit" but I don't bother myself about them. Honestly, if a Kid cries at losing a game, what kind of person do you think they will grow up to be?

I learnt the rules by myself, no-one teached me so i don't know if steamrolling is the best, but when i face people who are learning the rules i put my back into it and try to win (emphasized because i don't win 40k regularly, AT-43 is a different matter, anyway), they need to learn how to fight

Example: Did hilter teach the rules of his Blitzkrieg to the French and British while committing it, of course not, its war (insert WAAAAGH here)!

Although i for one don't carry about winning.

Godwins law Strikes again

Technically no. No Nazis were harmed in the making of that post, only "Hilter"

Godwin not invoked due to ....TECHNICALITY!

Frazzled wrote:Technically no. No Nazis were harmed in the making of that post, only "Hilter"

Godwin not invoked due to ....TECHNICALITY!

Ah yes, mister Hilter, who lives together with Ron Vibbentrop, mister Bimmler somewhere in Minehead, Somerset.

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Frazzled wrote:Technically no. No Nazis were harmed in the making of that post, only "Hilter"

Godwin not invoked due to ....TECHNICALITY!

Hitler was a Nazi though, so it was invoked.

If I were to say you cannot talk about Fruit, but you talked about Bananas, you would still be talking about Fruit.

Oh I'm sorry I meant Gadolf Shmitler, Chancellor of Bermany!

Right but we're discussing Hilter, the mild mannered account down on floor 12, who likes to play Panzerleader, not HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED (Barney)...

grizgrin wrote:Possibly a better one if they are shown a better example and that they are worth a little investment, instead of seeing an "older" person quit on them because they are not worth the effort? Way to go, role model.

Personally, I don't see it as it somehow being my obligation to teach nooblets the game, or even setting any kind of example. I couldn't care less if they don't learn the rules, doubly so if they're not playing against me. As far as I'm concerned, the longevity of the hobby is someone else's problem, and I refuse to share in that burden.

I think the original post that started the whole steamrolling little kids conversation going had to do with someone that pulled out all stops on a six year old and sent him home crying.
It's like I said earlier, the only image that came to my mind was Kramer bragging about how he could beat anyone in his dojo. It turned out they were all kids not even half his size.
If it takes hauling a kid over the coals for someone to validate themselves as a man and master of toysoldiers, it's a pretty sad, small existence they live.


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mattyboy22 wrote:I've also seen a 40 year old man go "WOOO!" extremely loudly and start humping a table well saying "CAN YOU FEEL IT I JUST (EXPLETIVE) YOU UP!!" over and over after he killed a little kids HQ.

That's pretty much the same thing I've seen when guys that age play against little kids to blow them away. The sad part is they talk about it for days and weeks after as though it was a major achievement. To such people, usually a good bowel movement is the highlight of their day.

Relapse wrote:To such people, usually a good bowel movement is the highlight of their day.

Pssssh, that's the best part of any sane person's day...

Che-Vito wrote:

Relapse wrote:To such people, usually a good bowel movement is the highlight of their day.

Pssssh, that's the best part of any sane person's day...

Agreed. Really cheers me up.

I had a big burrito for lunch, so definitely, the next one will be rough.

Gwar! wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:

Relapse wrote:To such people, usually a good bowel movement is the highlight of their day.

Pssssh, that's the best part of any sane person's day...

Agreed. Really cheers me up.

Oh DakkaDakka, the joy that you bring to my daily life is Priceless.