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Yeah, the necrons aren't what they used to be. They're down to four C'tan. The leaders are gone.

Tomb worlds are being used for training exercise by the Imperial Guard.

Even if NOTHING IN THE UNIVERSE can permanently dissolve/kill/incapacitate them (lame) and the repairing centers are never found or break down or run out of space or materials or ANYTHING BAD AT ALL EVER (super lame) they're still a limited force. The imperial guard can rebuild as quickly as the necrons.

Being the last man standing once is impressive. Doing it twice in a row is unlikely. Doing it forever is impossible.

IMHO

I feel like people don't give enough credit to the necrons, they held their own against and in some cases whupped the eldar and Old Ones, both of whom were in their prime. Then they remianed undetected by the eldar for millions of years. This is all while the eldar were at their peak (and probably stronger than the IoM ever was).

The necrons are tuff stuff, if the eldar couldn't find them all what makes you think orks or tyranids (who have no reason to) would find them and wipe em out?

just because the necrons are old dosen't mean they are past their prime. they are machines. they are just as effective as the day the deciever stole their flesh.

four C'tan isn't really a problem when you look at the necrons as a whole.

Foxy_Grandpa wrote:just because the necrons are old dosen't mean they are past their prime. they are machines. they are just as effective as the day the deciever stole their flesh.

Machines degrade over time.

Our machines degrade (when kept in bad conditions). Necrons could be un affected by aging. Their technology is much more advanced than even the Iom (and much better than ours).

Depending on how it is kept even our technology could last a longt time.

And yet, it still degrades. Indeed, Necrons would degrade faster because they keep taking damage.

And in fact they DO degrade, as per canon, every time they're "killed".

asimo77 wrote:
The necrons are tuff stuff, if the eldar couldn't find them all what makes you think orks or tyranids (who have no reason to) would find them and wipe em out?

It is really hard for me to envision a future where half of the races are eliminated, let alone all but one. The Dark Eldar can basically live forever in the webway as long as there are still souls for them to steal from people. The Eldar don't even need to come out of the webway! The Tau are really the only one who wouldn't be freakishly difficult to eliminate. Yeah, it's going to be impossible to remove necrons from the universe. But when you're dealing with the trillion solar system Imperium and a countless horde that eats all others and the sleeping unbeatable army and a race that outnumbers all the other races combined you have to pick the least impossible of the impossible endings.

And Necrons are the second least impossible of the impossible end game winners.

I basically agree with the current proportions of this poll if you consider it as a combination of likelihood to win and likelihood to survive and also ability to destroy others.

Foxy_Grandpa wrote:four C'tan isn't really a problem when you look at the necrons as a whole.

Unless if you remember that their claim for greatness happened because of the C'tan. When there were hundreds of them.

And yet, it still degrades. Indeed, Necrons would degrade faster because they keep taking damage.

And in fact they DO degrade, as per canon, every time they're "killed".

When they die yes, but I haven't seen anything saying they are damaged by just standing around (may be wrong).

As I have said before the C'tan could justmake some new soldiers if anyone manages to destroy every necron. It wouldn't be hard to persuade some humans they can be immortal.

Except it wasn't actually the C'tan that created living metal... it was the Necrontyr, who created it in order to "capture" the C'tan in a physical form.

Melissia wrote:Except it wasn't actually the C'tan that created living metal... it was the Necrontyr, who created it in order to "capture" the C'tan in a physical form.

God the necrons need a new codex. I actually want to hear some updated stuff. I know basically nothing about necrons

Hundreds of C'tan?Who killed so many? And how?

What are the four c'tan? The deciever..Nightbringer...what else?

NVM. lexi' helped me

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Except it wasn't actually the C'tan that created living metal... it was the Necrontyr, who created it in order to "capture" the C'tan in a physical form.

God the necrons need a new codex. I actually want to hear some updated stuff. I know basically nothing about necrons

Hundreds of C'tan?Who killed so many? And how?

What are the four c'tan? The deciever..Nightbringer...what else?

NVM. lexi' helped me

The C'tan were owned by Eldar, their Gods, Krorks (Ye old version of yer Orks) and who would have thunk eachother!
Here are the four C'tan from weakest to strongest:
Deciever
Nightbringer
The Void Dragon (Kept on mars, I remember reading somewhere he gave the IoM their technology )
The Outsider (rumoured to be Tyranid Hive Mind)

*Reads last sentence*

D'oh!!! :(



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phantommaster wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:

phantommaster wrote:Eldar will retreat to the webways to fight DE, the winner will come to fight the Necrons who will obviously win like they did before, Nids aren't a threat to them as they aren't living (the Necrons) and all 4 C'tan will simultaniously rip the Emperor apart.

1. The Necrons did not win the war.

Actually, they almost won, they just went to sleep to let life rise again after the Enslaver Plauge.

2. The four C'tan are not allies (or is the fact that they want to consume one another just rumour ).

The Deciever would probably manipulate them into doing that if he wants to.

3. If the Emperor was at full strength he would rip THEM apart.

Hahahaha...
NO.
He defeated one C'tan, while it was weak.

4. If the Eldar do retreat to the Dark Eldar realm, they would most likely ally with eachother, not fight.

Maybe. So? They would still die.

1. They beat the Old Ones
2. If faced against an entire race they would probably ally, just like your Eldar and Dark Eldar may
3. But will he ever be at full strength?
4. Meh

1. The Necrons did not almost WIN, they almost LOST. If it wasn't for the enslavers, the Old Ones would have won.
2. Yes, I do actually believe that they would ally.
3. The Emperor is the greatest psyker in the entire universe. He would mop the floor with the C'tan. They would scream so hard as the Emperor Tea Bags them. He will be at full strength should the Illuminati pull their plan off, or the Star Child ting happens.
4. So will the Necrons.

I do not believe Eldar would win (IoM FTW!!!) but like all races, they are in with a chance and are just as deadly as any other race. But, no matter what happens, the last race standing will not be a race. But a single man.

Guardsman Marbo!

The C'tan are weak to psykers and psychic attacks, as that can actually damage them. It's why they were trying to complete the pylon system, the beginning of which caused the opening of the eye of terror. Said system was designed to shut off the warp so that nobody would have access to this weakness.

Golden Sabres wrote:
The Void Dragon (Kept on mars, I remember reading somewhere he gave the IoM their technology )

almost certainly the Void Dragon is revealed, called "The Dragon of Mars". The Emperor himself defeated a creature of godlike power who existed on Earth itself centuries ago (what this implies about the Emperor's natural lifespan is uncertain, but Space Marines, his genetic children, do not age normally either) sometime during the 12th century (the text states during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian however, which suggests a date around the 3rd/4th century)3. He traveled to Mars and imprisoned the entity within the Noctis Labyrinth, purposefully not destroying it. The creature is described as having "drunk the heart of stars" and "worshiped as a god", which heavily implies it to be a C'Tan. It had no name of its own, but the Emperor dubbed it "The Dragon of Mars", and bound it there. Once the Warp storms began and the Dark Age of Technology ended, the Dragon of Mars sought to claim the red planet by sending out dreams from its imprisonment, teaching the humans there how to build incredibly advanced machines, and in turn, worship those machines. Thus, the Dragon directly created the Mechanicum. This was in fact the Emperor's plan all along: to create a technologically advanced society that would be able to provide the industrial machinery for his Great Crusade.

scubasteve04 wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:
The Void Dragon (Kept on mars, I remember reading somewhere he gave the IoM their technology )

almost certainly the Void Dragon is revealed, called "The Dragon of Mars". The Emperor himself defeated a creature of godlike power who existed on Earth itself centuries ago (what this implies about the Emperor's natural lifespan is uncertain, but Space Marines, his genetic children, do not age normally either) sometime during the 12th century (the text states during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian however, which suggests a date around the 3rd/4th century)3. He traveled to Mars and imprisoned the entity within the Noctis Labyrinth, purposefully not destroying it. The creature is described as having "drunk the heart of stars" and "worshiped as a god", which heavily implies it to be a C'Tan. It had no name of its own, but the Emperor dubbed it "The Dragon of Mars", and bound it there. Once the Warp storms began and the Dark Age of Technology ended, the Dragon of Mars sought to claim the red planet by sending out dreams from its imprisonment, teaching the humans there how to build incredibly advanced machines, and in turn, worship those machines. Thus, the Dragon directly created the Mechanicum. This was in fact the Emperor's plan all along: to create a technologically advanced society that would be able to provide the industrial machinery for his Great Crusade.

It should be noted that this is, and it says this directly in that 'book', highly abstract and surreal and should not be taken literally.

You mjean just like... every ohter bit of C'tan fluff, except for that time the ultrasmurfs idiotically let the starving Nightbringer go instead of bury him in the cave and let him die of starvation?

Melissia wrote:The C'tan are weak to psykers and psychic attacks, as that can actually damage them. It's why they were trying to complete the pylon system, the beginning of which caused the opening of the eye of terror. Said system was designed to shut off the warp so that nobody would have access to this weakness.

The eye of terror was opened by Slaanesh's birth, the pylons being Cadia appears to be just coincidence.

"1. The Necrons did not almost WIN, they almost LOST. If it wasn't for the enslavers, the Old Ones would have won."

The codex actually contradicts itself here. One passage has them winning right before the enlsaver plague and they go to sleep to allow the races to repopulate. Then in another passage it suggests the eldar were winning but the enslaver plague saved the necrons.

asimo77 wrote:The eye of terror was opened by Slaanesh's birth, the pylons being Cadia appears to be just coincidence.

I never said it wasn't, only that the ones on Cadia appear to be the first.

Oh ok I misunderstood your statement.

Orks, though they won't ever realize it has happened.

Im going to go for Chaos. At some point all the Chaos Primarchs get off their asses and get down to business. Failaddon gets kicked to the kerb and the imperium soon falls.

for the other races -
Imperium: Eventually falls due to all the external and internal factors. This may be delayed long enough for them to turn into a psychic species in which case they kick everyones ass.
Tau: too small. One of the other factions will eat them (maybe literally)
Eldar: Boned. even their farseers know they are a doomed race.
Dark Eldar: Boned with spikes.
Orks: Never going anywhere. but just hanging around like mold.
Tyranids: The number of hive fleets run out, the existing ones are wiped out and only some splinter fleets are left.
Necrons: Most of them remain in sleep eternally or have been destroyed. Those who are active are whittled down by the other races. Nightbringer chokes on a red dwarf.

Lets face it, the imperium can invoke exterminatus and destroy tomb worlds,has fended off 3 large hive fleets, has beten the orks and CSM countles times and the eldar/dark eldar are going extinct so no problems there.

I voted for imperium for one reason. You may kill the imperium but humanity is too much in number to just kill in one strike. You need to destroy every single planet which is over 6 billion. Don't believe? Well Lets see how anyone can destroy humanity at all? No, no race can actually kill all of humanity. They tried they failed, humanity is too large in numbers to kill.

Its a tough choice between Orks and nids for me, I guess whichever one has the most numbers(which is supposedly Orks but I don't think there's any way of knowing that)

Lets see how anyone can destroy humanity at all? No, no race can actually kill all of humanity. They tried they failed, humanity is too large in numbers to kill.

But the same could be said about most races. The Orks,Nids and possibly even the Necrons outnumber humans.

Mike Noble wrote:Its a tough choice between Orks and nids for me, I guess whichever one has the most numbers(which is supposedly Orks but I don't think there's any way of knowing that)

Lets see how anyone can destroy humanity at all? No, no race can actually kill all of humanity. They tried they failed, humanity is too large in numbers to kill.

But the same could be said about most races. The Orks,Nids and possibly even the Necrons outnumber humans.

What? No. Only orcs and nids. Necrons when they lose one necron they can't make more

Asherian Command wrote:I voted for imperium for one reason. You may kill the imperium but humanity is too much in number to just kill in one strike. You need to destroy every single planet which is over 6 billion. Don't believe? Well Lets see how anyone can destroy humanity at all? No, no race can actually kill all of humanity. They tried they failed, humanity is too large in numbers to kill.

Unless your fighting tyranids. Most collateral damage seems to happen to the Imperium when a major hive fleet is defeated. With the splinter fleets scattering and infesting over too wide an area for Imperial forces to track and kill all of them off. Then once they eat up enough biomass they become a whole new problem to deal with. Plus every world the Imperium loses is another source of manpower and resources it cant get back. Whereas for Tyranids as long as sources for biomass exist. They can rebuild. I do agree its a tough battle. But ultimately when it comes to attrition wars Tyranids can outdo anyone.

Lexx wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:I voted for imperium for one reason. You may kill the imperium but humanity is too much in number to just kill in one strike. You need to destroy every single planet which is over 6 billion. Don't believe? Well Lets see how anyone can destroy humanity at all? No, no race can actually kill all of humanity. They tried they failed, humanity is too large in numbers to kill.

Unless your fighting tyranids. Most collateral damage seems to happen to the Imperium when a major hive fleet is defeated. With the splinter fleets scattering and infesting over too wide an area for Imperial forces to track and kill all of them off. Then once they eat up enough biomass they become a whole new problem to deal with. Plus every world the Imperium loses is another source of manpower and resources it cant get back. Whereas for Tyranids as long as sources for biomass exist. They can rebuild. I do agree its a tough battle. But ultimately when it comes to attrition wars Tyranids can outdo anyone.

Except for chuck norris and the Necrons

I don't think necrons do attrition very either.

well necrons are slowly reawakening but the thing is some of them have permanently turned off.

Lexx wrote: Most collateral damage seems to happen to the Imperium when a major hive fleet is defeated.

The Imperium takes losses in war, yes.

Lexx wrote:With the splinter fleets scattering and infesting over too wide an area for Imperial forces to track and kill all of them off.

If they spread out that much they'd be pretty easy to beat.

Lexx wrote:Then once they eat up enough biomass they become a whole new problem to deal with.

All those ork worlds and Eldar craftworlds they bumped into sure were easy pickings...

Lexx wrote:Plus every world the Imperium loses is another source of manpower and resources it cant get back. Whereas for Tyranids as long as sources for biomass exist.

The Imperium can find and conquer new worlds. Any biomass the tyranids can use the Imperium can use just as well.

Lexx wrote:They can rebuild. I do agree its a tough battle. But ultimately when it comes to attrition wars Tyranids can outdo anyone.

I don't agree. If a tyranid fleet is defeated than it is gone. Period. They put everything out on the line in battle.

The tyranids live and die by the fortunes of war.

Most times though, one ship escapes and goes into stasis. If another hive fleet comes along, they will reabsorb the half dead ship and gain the evolutionary counter measures it gained while fighting the enemy, this why hive fleets splinter.