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The reason you don't include daemons is because they would obviously be the last ones standing...first--they don't truly die, just return to the warp...second, you can't kill chaos itself...third, everytime other races fight it just fuels the daemons more...so the last one standing would have to face daemons and that would be over quick!

Chaos can be killed, if nids, crons or orks win chaos will starve.

Nids have no emotion and will leave the galaxy empty if they win.

Necrons have no emotion, will leave the galaxy empty and will seperate the warp from realspace so chaos can't every enter.

Orks will keep fighting and infest so many planets that gork and mork will take over the warp.

Klawz wrote:

1. The Necrons did not win the war.

Actually, they almost won, they just went to sleep to let life rise again after the Enslaver Plauge.

2. The four C'tan are not allies (or is the fact that they want to consume one another just rumour ).

The Deciever would probably manipulate them into doing that if he wants to.

That's like saying the Chaos Gods are all united because of Tzeench.

3. If the Emperor was at full strength he would rip THEM apart.

Hahahaha...
NO.
He defeated one C'tan, while it was weak.

Yeah. Isn't that a point against the C'tan?

Melissia wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:Tyranids, though not always fighting, are still always adapting, even when not in combat. This means that they are constantly getting stronger, while orks are just strong.

Orks get stronger the more they fight.

Orks are always fighting.

Ergo, Orks are always getting stronger.

Individual Orks right?

Scrabb wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:Tyranids, though not always fighting, are still always adapting, even when not in combat. This means that they are constantly getting stronger, while orks are just strong.

Adapting to what?

What he probably meant was evolving. Adapting to ones environment, though that would usually require a change in your current one to happen.

Scrabb wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:Tyranids, though not always fighting, are still always adapting, even when not in combat. This means that they are constantly getting stronger, while orks are just strong.

Adapting to what?

The fact that Orks would be the last one standing

Klawz wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:

phantommaster wrote:Eldar will retreat to the webways to fight DE, the winner will come to fight the Necrons who will obviously win like they did before, Nids aren't a threat to them as they aren't living (the Necrons) and all 4 C'tan will simultaniously rip the Emperor apart.

1. The Necrons did not win the war.

Actually, they almost won, they just went to sleep to let life rise again after the Enslaver Plauge.

2. The four C'tan are not allies (or is the fact that they want to consume one another just rumour ).

The Deciever would probably manipulate them into doing that if he wants to.

3. If the Emperor was at full strength he would rip THEM apart.

Hahahaha...
NO.
He defeated one C'tan, while it was weak.

4. If the Eldar do retreat to the Dark Eldar realm, they would most likely ally with eachother, not fight.

Maybe. So? They would still die.

1. They beat the Old Ones
2. If faced against an entire race they would probably ally, just like your Eldar and Dark Eldar may
3. But will he ever be at full strength?
4. Meh

Individual Orks right?

Orks as a whole are constantly getting stronger due to the advance of technology. Ork technology spreads through the galaxy remarkably fast.

Similarly, there's regions of Ork space where each individual Ork is bigger than a nob or even a warboss from a lesser region. Because they've been fighting for so long that they've developed into massive monstrosities. Capable of holding back an entire hive fleet and having the time of their lives while doing it.

But if one of these orks is defeated by tyranids, then he will be consumed and his power will now be used by the tyranids in their own creations.


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though, I;m starting to think it will be a tie since orks grow and multiply as quickly as tyranids can consume and evolve.

No they won't, because the Tyranids already have Ork dna, and yet they still haven't been competent enough to produce anything out it other than biovores and pyrovores.

Yeah, that's right. The much-vaunted Tyranid evolution is utterly incompetent at utilizing Ork DNA

Necrons.

Everying dies,

Necrons out-sit eternity if needs be,

re-seed 'food races' across the galaxcy, somewhat modified to have less psychic resonance (mk IIs) to avoid the old problems

Wait a few million years to simmer

The Reaper is ready for dinner again.

It my just be me, but I think carnifexes must have come from orks somehow. They're big and brutish, they're orkiest tyranid I've seen . But I'm off topic so never mind.

Khorazin wrote:
Necrons.

Everying dies,

Necrons out-sit eternity if needs be,

re-seed 'food races' across the galaxcy, somewhat modified to have less psychic resonance (mk IIs) to avoid the old problems

Wait a few million years to simmer

The Reaper is ready for dinner again.

The C'tan would just get trapped in a cave and starve again like the Nightbringer almost did.

I don't get how that happened, the C'tan are made of the same material as phase blades and have it and the wraiths' ability to phase out so why don't they just go through the caves? Or just use the fabled necron teleporting technology for things other than you know retreating all the time.

We really should have a "phase in" rule...

Also I think your average star-god who has been around for billions of years is smart enough not to get stuck in a cave, there were some extraodinary circumstances behind The Nightbringers captivity.

That being said it's kinda funny since the Void Dragon is trapped on Mars and The Outsider is trapped (or just chilling?) in a dyson sphere.

Also C'tan>>>>>>>orks *trollface.jpeg*

C'tan < Gork and Mork.

As for how they got stuck in a cave? Feth if I know, but that IS the official fluff.

Personally I think the Necrons are better off without the C'tan as far as "modern" fluff goes (IE set in the 41st millennium).

I agree, they should move into the background and get all scheming and such. I think the Void Dragon is a good example of how the C'tan should be handled, very insidous. Things like creating the pariah gene, implanting the fear of death in sentient beings are also good examples of keeping them in the background but still important plus all of these are very grand in scale and fitting of gods.

At the same time they are made out to be idiots (Voidy getting owned by the Mary Sue of mankind, The Outsider going mad after eating his bros, getting stuck in a cave, cannibalism, etc) in general the poor necrons have taken a beating in fluff and gameplay. I mean target practice...seriously GW. That's a bigger joke than tau!

Just kidding tau players

Melissia wrote:No they won't, because the Tyranids already have Ork dna, and yet they still haven't been competent enough to produce anything out it other than biovores and pyrovores.
Yeah, that's right. The much-vaunted Tyranid evolution is utterly incompetent at utilizing Ork DNA

I wonder if it has something to do with Orks really being big, ugly, trashtalking, plants than anything else?
Plus nids alter their own DNA constantly, not like they steal other organisms DNA right?

I really want to see pictures of Gork and Mork, but at the same time i dont because i feel like it would be nearly impossible to draw them as completely over the top as they need to be

Super human mooses will rule the galaxy !!!!
but other than that the imperium of mankind because well they lasted this long and everyone else will soon be crushed by the might of the emperor

If the emperor will not come the Tyranids, than the Tyranids will come to the emperor!

Orks. I'm not sure why this is even a question; it's been flat-out said, several times, that the Orks outnumber everybody else put together, and the only reason the other races are still around is that the greenskins are having too much fun to kill them all off.

Every race will die but orks, necrons and nids.

Nids will eventualy move to another galaxy and leave orks fighting necrons until another race comes...
Unless nids destroy all the worlds to basicaly nothing then only necrons would be left.

Just my thoughts.

what the hell does every 1 have against the tau (they are the youngest race and are still growing)

i think the imperium they just survive

Even if I'm a Chaos player, my money's on the 'Nids or the Orks. From what I see, both those races aren't really "races". I think they're more suited to be called forces of nature, and everybody knows you can't stop nature.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I'm surprised that Tyranid are not having a wide lead. The Imperium burned 200 worlds just to give them a fighting chance against this unstoppable force of nature.

-totally agree.

Chaos is immortal anyway.

Mr Nobody wrote:

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though, I;m starting to think it will be a tie since orks grow and multiply as quickly as tyranids can consume and evolve.

Not as such - the Orks will have a very tough time making use of worlds scoured by the Hive Fleets. Remember, these are air-less, water-less balls of dust stripped down to the bedrock. There are no useful minerals left, let alone any of the basic requirments of life. Sure, the Orks are hardy and may well be able to brute-force survive their way through somehow... but just what are they going to do with that planet? There's nothing there. At all. You wouldn't even get Feral Orks - just a bunch of very depressed greenskins sulking about how bored they are throwing dust at one-another and having to breathe through "da breethy-fings" their hard-pressed meks managed to scrape together.

All art of worlds eaten by tyranids show that they do not eat the metal contents of the world. Buildings are often still partially standing.

Melissia wrote:All art of worlds eaten by tyranids show that they do not eat the metal contents of the world. Buildings are often still partially standing.

True, but the Magos Biologis analysis of the Tyranid feeding process (available online - I'll try and dig it out tomorrow) shows that the Tyranids do in fact strip a lot of metal, sediment etc from a world too. It is noted that a world stripped by the Tyranids is noticably smaller than it was before their arrival. The Tyranids take enormous amounts of material with them, all of which is useful. It's not just about 'life', though that is obviously their primary target. They certainly take the oceans and air with them as well.

The art is mostly thematic - a flat, dusty landscape with nothing on it isn't much to look at.

asimo77 wrote:I don't get how that happened, the C'tan are made of the same material as phase blades and have it and the wraiths' ability to phase out so why don't they just go through the caves? Or just use the fabled necron teleporting technology for things other than you know retreating all the time.

We really should have a "phase in" rule...

Also I think your average star-god who has been around for billions of years is smart enough not to get stuck in a cave, there were some extraodinary circumstances behind The Nightbringers captivity.

That being said it's kinda funny since the Void Dragon is trapped on Mars and The Outsider is trapped (or just chilling?) in a dyson sphere.

Also C'tan>>>>>>>orks *trollface.jpeg*

What are these bolded things?

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:But that same thinking is what makes the Orks such a threat! They will just keep on fighting because its what they love to do.

Im not really familiar with Imperium lore but if they can nuke planets like that then why the hell havnt they done it already?

They do... on a regular basis! Exterminatus and Virus bombing happens all the time... the sheer number of planets in the Imperium makes it a 0.000000000000000000001% of planets at war actually ends up getting it! You would though wouldn't you? If you had a Death Star you'd be popping every other planet on your way from Alderaan to Yavin!

My votes for the Nids fluff wise... one the Gret Devourer samples marine gene seed in large quantities it'll be game over for everybody else!

If you were to run it Codex wise then Marines are a massive WIN! They're the ultimate all rounders and have few if any real weaknesses!



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Emeth wrote:If every thing went balls out Mankind would eventualy die off, with it chaos would soon die off with out new people to corrupt and turn. eldar and tau wouldent make it, the orks and nids would have a massive war but I think the nids would evetually win because the orks would let them eat biomass to get stronger becaue it would be "Fun"...leaving the necrons and nids, since nither of them get any thing from the outher they wouldent fight so the nids leave to find more stuff to eat leaving the necrons....necrons win, mind you it is a compleatly void of life barren galaxy but they still win.

This actually makes the most sense of any post I've read! Excellent reasoning!


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Shenra wrote:The reason you don't include daemons is because they would obviously be the last ones standing...first--they don't truly die, just return to the warp...second, you can't kill chaos itself...third, everytime other races fight it just fuels the daemons more...so the last one standing would have to face daemons and that would be over quick!

I'm afraid this is flawed... the GW fluff in the Horus Heresy series indicates that the Chaos Gods only exist bacause the hiuman race fuels them, once humanity dies the chaos gods cease to exist. At least thats my understanding of it. (mostly from the cabal spiel in Legion)

The truth is, necrons are the doom of the entire universe.
you can't kill them.

the necrons sole purpose is to eliminate all life that exists, thereby snuffing out the warp. (and in the process all demons and chaos gods)

even though the orks reproduce quickly and are ard' as nails, the necrons are deathless.

the eldar are already almost extinct so they're out.

the tau are nothing to the necrons, merely another fledgling race that must be mulched.

tyranids (i believe) are merely a pawn of the necrons, and will eventually be slaughtered like cattle.

humans are the largest threat to the necrons, but even then, can the imperium continue to stand for countless more eons, when the fabric of space and time itself bends to the whims of the c'tan and their servants? besides, from what i have read, the imperium is circling the drain already.

Im going for Necrons aswell, I mean if the Tyranids do just go away to another galaxy to absorb the bio-mass there, using logic they WILL eventully run out and die, or meet somthing stronger.


Also, Im sure the Necrons and C'tan get points into there 'Pee'd off space gods, lets genocide everything that breathes' bucket by wiping out the Tyranids, and since the bugs actively avoid Necron worlds, how much easier is it for the Necron fleets to sweep down and just exterminate the whole thing at once.

Orks come second, cause if anyone can give anything a good stompin' its dem Orkz

My argument against necrons is that, being a few billion years old, they might be over the hill at this point.

They aren't as powerful as they were before they went into hibernation.