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ranger1977 wrote:as a non player, but avid painter i am really looking forward to this as it hopefully means plastic GK terminators and marines.
Can the GK's have Assassins ?.

First of, you can absolutely be sure to be getting plastic terminators and grey knights in power armour.

Second, yes, they may take assassins.


This is all pretty much confirmed. The plastic part is 100% confirmed by GW.

Miraclefish wrote:GW have said in literature that an Inquisitor's authority is second only to the God-Emperor and that an Inquisitor has the authority to order a Space Marine Chapter to act.

Of course it mentions in the same place that no sane Inquisitor would ever order the Astartes to do anything, even though they technically could do.

Still, that leaves half the Ordo Malleus...

Actually no.


Inquisitors answer to no one, but the God Emperor.

Space Marines answer to no one, but the God Emperor.

they are equals and an Inquisitor has to approach a Space Marine as an equal.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:If the Codex: Grey Knights places more focus on Grey Knights, and Codex: Sisters of Battle does the same...will there be a Codex: Inquisition for more Inq focused armies? or will they just increase the size of both those codexes and split the Inq army options between them to get more sales?

Ha. As if. The Inquisition will always be 'second fiddle' to everything else. Even Jervis thinks that they got 'carried away' when they did the Daemonhunter/Witch Hunter Codices.

Look on the bright side though. You could be someone who owns an AdMech army or a Deathwatch Army - two things that don't even have rules. Wait...

The only bright side I see is that Jervis isn't really working on codices anymore, so maybe we WILL get an Inquisition Codex... someday...

Grey Templar wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:GW have said in literature that an Inquisitor's authority is second only to the God-Emperor and that an Inquisitor has the authority to order a Space Marine Chapter to act.

Of course it mentions in the same place that no sane Inquisitor would ever order the Astartes to do anything, even though they technically could do.

Still, that leaves half the Ordo Malleus...

Actually no.


Inquisitors answer to no one, but the God Emperor.

Space Marines answer to no one, but the God Emperor.

they are equals and an Inquisitor has to approach a Space Marine as an equal.

Yep, Space Marine chapters are petitioned into combat by the likes of the Ecclesiarchy, Inquisition, Planetary Governors and others. They are under no authority on who and where to engage save for themselves.

The one exception however are the Grey knights who are the Chamber Militant for the Ordo Malleus. And being such they are under direct control if the Inquisition. Only known radical Inquisitors will be denied the services of the Grey Knights.

Alpharius wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:If the Codex: Grey Knights places more focus on Grey Knights, and Codex: Sisters of Battle does the same...will there be a Codex: Inquisition for more Inq focused armies? or will they just increase the size of both those codexes and split the Inq army options between them to get more sales?

Ha. As if. The Inquisition will always be 'second fiddle' to everything else. Even Jervis thinks that they got 'carried away' when they did the Daemonhunter/Witch Hunter Codices.

Look on the bright side though. You could be someone who owns an AdMech army or a Deathwatch Army - two things that don't even have rules. Wait...

The only bright side I see is that Jervis isn't really working on codices anymore, so maybe we WILL get an Inquisition Codex... someday...

I dunno. It wasn't just Jervis(I'm not sure why he's being singled out for this, since he actually had nothing to do with those two books but whatever) that felt they got 'carried away' when they did the Daemonhunter and Witchhunter codices. Andy Chambers, Phil Kelly, and Graham McNeill(aka: the people who actually did those two codices) had stated at Games Days they felt that they got carried away.

Jaon wrote:

Umad? MOST of the time GK can deploy nothing BUT GK because the battlefield is far to daemonic for imperial guardsmen. Unless I am interpretting you wrong and you mean to say space marines are the ones who deploy IG?

I meant GK fighting as a SM fBattle Company. The only real time when a full company was deployed was against Agron and that was sort of an oddity, with 100 Terminators taking the field.

I was under the impression that the GK are called upon for help by an Inquisitor, or otherwise only participate in such events as backup to an Imperial Army, as they were far too valuable to use in large-scale offensives.

close account

I dunno. It wasn't just Jervis(I'm not sure why he's being singled out for this, since he actually had nothing to do with those two books but whatever) that felt they got 'carried away' when they did the Daemonhunter and Witchhunter codices. Andy Chambers, Phil Kelly, and Graham McNeill(aka: the people who actually did those two codices) had stated at Games Days they felt that they got carried away.

How did they get carried away? I mean, if the Inquisition is as powerful as it is; it obviously must have its own forces of considerable size (though not enough to field a IG sized army likely.)

yay...grey knights!!!

Mr Hyena wrote:

I dunno. It wasn't just Jervis(I'm not sure why he's being singled out for this, since he actually had nothing to do with those two books but whatever) that felt they got 'carried away' when they did the Daemonhunter and Witchhunter codices. Andy Chambers, Phil Kelly, and Graham McNeill(aka: the people who actually did those two codices) had stated at Games Days they felt that they got carried away.

How did they get carried away? I mean, if the Inquisition is as powerful as it is; it obviously must have its own forces of considerable size (though not enough to field a IG sized army likely.)

Think it’s a reference to retinues. There was an interview where they said they got carried away after the devolvement of the 54mm inquisitor game and tried to add too much wacky stuff.

Well, retinues are very fitting and make sense for Inquisitors. They need skilled allies with them; as too much IG stuff gets boring.

Not everyone wants to play a SM Variant

That’s the thing, the strange things in the retunes is what made the inquisition for me. You need the wackiness in 40k.

Mr Hyena wrote:

I dunno. It wasn't just Jervis(I'm not sure why he's being singled out for this, since he actually had nothing to do with those two books but whatever) that felt they got 'carried away' when they did the Daemonhunter and Witchhunter codices. Andy Chambers, Phil Kelly, and Graham McNeill(aka: the people who actually did those two codices) had stated at Games Days they felt that they got carried away.

How did they get carried away? I mean, if the Inquisition is as powerful as it is; it obviously must have its own forces of considerable size (though not enough to field a IG sized army likely.)

From what I'm remembering:
1)They felt they went way too far in how they did Retinues. They, as mentioned, tried to make things that worked in Inquisitor work here and said damn the consequences.
2) It was a rushjob. They only did Daemonhunters as a "proof of concept" so that Chambers could do Witchhunters and get his Sisters ideas okayed as fast as he could. The end result, however, was that Daemonhunters had some glaring imbalances that were just left sitting there while Chambers and Kelly moved on and did Witchhunters.
3) As above: they were trying to capitalize on the "success" of Inquisitor 54mm. But, again, they didn't really follow through on what they were doing or look at the "big picture". They also tried a smidge too far to emphasize the way the Inquisition worked according to the Eisenhorn novels.

That’s the thing as well I‘ve never felt the Eisenhorn novels represented the inquisition as they were portrayed in 2nd edition. I see them as more deciding the fates of worlds and planetary hierarchy than chasing down one lone heretic.

Mr Hyena wrote:
How did they get carried away? I mean, if the Inquisition is as powerful as it is; it obviously must have its own forces of considerable size (though not enough to field a IG sized army likely.)

I thought it was just an opinion that the Inquisition, while powerful and a cool background element, isn't (generally) considered a true military at the same level as the Space Marines, IG, or even Sisters and Grey Knights.

Still, the Deamonhunters and Witch Hunter Codices deserve credit for Retinues, a cool idea if not used perfectly (I had the idea that this is where FOC-changing stuff should go... So an IG Commander might take a "Adeptus Mechanicus Envoy" retinue character, and get Tank Squadrons as troops, some other weird stuff, and maybe a Command Tank option. Or maybe the Retinue would have a regular Ecclisarchy rep that would unlock priest characters that would be assigned to squads. The 'Default' would probably be a Commissar, but it would allow for interesting tweaks without the disliked 'Special Character-based armies.'

These codices also had Adversaries, a cool idea and a neat way to provide some 'generic' troops. I was painting a block of adversaries (250-500 points I think) that, were I playing more often, I'd probably offer to let opponents use just for the fun of it... If you're playing against Sisters of Battle, wouldn't it be cool if you were offered a couple squads of mutant traitors to use as cannon fodder?

johnstewartjohn wrote:That’s the thing as well I‘ve never felt the Eisenhorn novels represented the inquisition as they were portrayed in 2nd edition. I see them as more deciding the fates of worlds and planetary hierarchy than chasing down one lone heretic.

Background evolves. But even so, the Inquisition has never become a full on "WE'LL TAKE YOU ALL ON!" faction. They always need to call in support, pull strings, etc. Which isn't bad, mind you...but it just limits what can really be done with them.

Also, one thing that is always glossed over:
Eisenhorn was, at the start of 'Xenos' a very 'junior' Inquisitor. He was a full Inquisitor, but not one who'd made his mark enough to be afforded the kinds of respects and accords we see with Coteaz and the like.

Balance wrote:
I thought it was just an opinion that the Inquisition, while powerful and a cool background element, isn't (generally) considered a true military at the same level as the Space Marines, IG, or even Sisters and Grey Knights.

Still, the Deamonhunters and Witch Hunter Codices deserve credit for Retinues, a cool idea if not used perfectly (I had the idea that this is where FOC-changing stuff should go... So an IG Commander might take a "Adeptus Mechanicus Envoy" retinue character, and get Tank Squadrons as troops, some other weird stuff, and maybe a Command Tank option. Or maybe the Retinue would have a regular Ecclisarchy rep that would unlock priest characters that would be assigned to squads. The 'Default' would probably be a Commissar, but it would allow for interesting tweaks without the disliked 'Special Character-based armies.'

These are also very good points. And what pisses me off to no end regarding the way they decided to go for the current Imperial Guard codex.

Yeah I suppose the original fluff doesn’t translate very well to the table top.

I think what they should do really is put focus on lower ranked Inquisitors as being the people who lead Inquisition armies after heretics; with the Lord Inquisitors being focused on a purely Investigation-based role (Information may be too dangerous for younger inquisitors). The Inquisition will still need to field armies to chase down dangerous heretics or to subdue plots before they get out of hand and they will not always be able to get the Ordos Militant; so it still would be important to keep a standing force.

Junior and slightly higher Inquisitors will be able to do the 'tedious' job of hunting down the heretics; the higher Inquisitors would learn the info that they feed to the younger ones as they need.

I expect it will go something like this. We won't see the Inquisition phased out as an army. Its too integral; heck they can only get bigger.

Mr Hyena wrote:I think what they should do really is put focus on lower ranked Inquisitors as being the people who lead Inquisition armies after heretics; with the Lord Inquisitors being focused on a purely Investigation-based role (Information may be too dangerous for younger inquisitors). The Inquisition will still need to field armies to chase down dangerous heretics or to subdue plots before they get out of hand and they will not always be able to get the Ordos Militant; so it still would be important to keep a standing force.

Junior and slightly higher Inquisitors will be able to do the 'tedious' job of hunting down the heretics; the higher Inquisitors would learn the info that they feed to the younger ones as they need.

I expect it will go something like this. We won't see the Inquisition phased out as an army. Its too integral; heck they can only get bigger.

Completely agree. Inquisition is a popular thing in 40k, and if the grey knight codex doesnt expand upon it, I imagine we could even see a stand alone inquisition codex (or, it could, oddly enough, appear in Ssters of Battle)

Mr Hyena wrote:I think what they should do really is put focus on lower ranked Inquisitors as being the people who lead Inquisition armies after heretics; with the Lord Inquisitors being focused on a purely Investigation-based role (Information may be too dangerous for younger inquisitors). The Inquisition will still need to field armies to chase down dangerous heretics or to subdue plots before they get out of hand and they will not always be able to get the Ordos Militant; so it still would be important to keep a standing force.

Junior and slightly higher Inquisitors will be able to do the 'tedious' job of hunting down the heretics; the higher Inquisitors would learn the info that they feed to the younger ones as they need.

This seems weird to me, as leading an army is a 'big deal' and seems like something the more experienced inquisitors would be better at.

Then again, this is 40k where the smartest, toughest fighting force uses their rookies as scouts, a lonely, highly-soecialized job with a ton of responsibility in real-world militaries from what I understand.

Balance wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:I think what they should do really is put focus on lower ranked Inquisitors as being the people who lead Inquisition armies after heretics; with the Lord Inquisitors being focused on a purely Investigation-based role (Information may be too dangerous for younger inquisitors). The Inquisition will still need to field armies to chase down dangerous heretics or to subdue plots before they get out of hand and they will not always be able to get the Ordos Militant; so it still would be important to keep a standing force.

Junior and slightly higher Inquisitors will be able to do the 'tedious' job of hunting down the heretics; the higher Inquisitors would learn the info that they feed to the younger ones as they need.

This seems weird to me, as leading an army is a 'big deal' and seems like something the more experienced inquisitors would be better at.

Then again, this is 40k where the smartest, toughest fighting force uses their rookies as scouts, a lonely, highly-soecialized job with a ton of responsibility in real-world militaries from what I understand.

"Rookie"; a term recently used to define a person who is one of the toughest men ever known, already better than some veterans of imperial guardsmen.

Space marines employ scouts because power armour isnt very stealthy.

Balance wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:I think what they should do really is put focus on lower ranked Inquisitors as being the people who lead Inquisition armies after heretics; with the Lord Inquisitors being focused on a purely Investigation-based role (Information may be too dangerous for younger inquisitors). The Inquisition will still need to field armies to chase down dangerous heretics or to subdue plots before they get out of hand and they will not always be able to get the Ordos Militant; so it still would be important to keep a standing force.

Junior and slightly higher Inquisitors will be able to do the 'tedious' job of hunting down the heretics; the higher Inquisitors would learn the info that they feed to the younger ones as they need.

This seems weird to me, as leading an army is a 'big deal' and seems like something the more experienced inquisitors would be better at.

Then again, this is 40k where the smartest, toughest fighting force uses their rookies as scouts, a lonely, highly-soecialized job with a ton of responsibility in real-world militaries from what I understand.

Its actually more to do with classified information. Stuff kept from lesser ranked individuals. The big stuff would probably only be known to the higher ranking Inquisitors; the ones with the contacts and such to follow up on this. Lesser inquisitors probably haven't gathered a sufficient retinue or formed contact networks to properly investigate something like, say, a possible Alpha Legion splinter cell in a world dangerously close to Terra. Of course, theres nothing to stop an Inquisitor of this level from doing something like investigating supposed Chaos artifacts that have been found or dealing with a small outbreak of cultists.

I'd just expect lower ranked Inquisitors to deal with the most combat situations unless it requires the attention of the Ordo Militant too. Of course this is all conjecture but its my opinion really on how things should be done to make the Inquisition a more plausible army.

So if they are being released in April, how long until we get a really good idea of what units are in, what they do, pts costs etc.?

Ala the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices, where they were basically spoiled X weeks before the actual release? (and just how long was X time?

they normally do an "incoming!" about 3 months before hand. I didn't pay attention to the release of SW & BA.
april 16th is my guess for when GK models come out.

shrike wrote:they normally do an "incoming!" about 3 months before hand. I didn't pay attention to the release of SW & BA.
april 16th is my guess for when GK models come out.

Is that a joke or ?

Their codex is released on april the 1st is it not (April fools day...) ?

THEY SHALL BE MY HAMMER.

Man I am excited. They have only been working on it for ten years.

Tacobake wrote:THEY SHALL BE MY HAMMER.

Man I am excited. They have only been working on it for ten years.

The models, maybe.

The rules? 6 months tops

I kid!

Jaon wrote:

shrike wrote:they normally do an "incoming!" about 3 months before hand. I didn't pay attention to the release of SW & BA.
april 16th is my guess for when GK models come out.

Is that a joke or ?

Their codex is released on april the 1st is it not (April fools day...) ?

So it's confirmed? 1st april?
Cool!

Balance wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:
How did they get carried away? I mean, if the Inquisition is as powerful as it is; it obviously must have its own forces of considerable size (though not enough to field a IG sized army likely.)

These codices also had Adversaries, a cool idea and a neat way to provide some 'generic' troops. I was painting a block of adversaries (250-500 points I think) that, were I playing more often, I'd probably offer to let opponents use just for the fun of it... If you're playing against Sisters of Battle, wouldn't it be cool if you were offered a couple squads of mutant traitors to use as cannon fodder?

"I am sorry, Cannoness. These beings are under the protection of Shas'El Fal'Shia Hana for The Greater Good, and we can not allow your short sightedness to interfere. They will defend themselves if necessary, and so shall we. You can see that our technological and philosophical might exceeds your own. Will you not join us as well, for the Greater Good of all beings?"
-Last words of Por'ui Fal'Shia Ko'lash Ni to Cannoness Alexandrea del'Mossa. Glass Mines Incident, 946 M41