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Nagashek wrote:

Balance wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:
How did they get carried away? I mean, if the Inquisition is as powerful as it is; it obviously must have its own forces of considerable size (though not enough to field a IG sized army likely.)

These codices also had Adversaries, a cool idea and a neat way to provide some 'generic' troops. I was painting a block of adversaries (250-500 points I think) that, were I playing more often, I'd probably offer to let opponents use just for the fun of it... If you're playing against Sisters of Battle, wouldn't it be cool if you were offered a couple squads of mutant traitors to use as cannon fodder?

"I am sorry, Cannoness. These beings are under the protection of Shas'El Fal'Shia Hana for The Greater Good, and we can not allow your short sightedness to interfere. They will defend themselves if necessary, and so shall we. You can see that our technological and philosophical might exceeds your own. Will you not join us as well, for the Greater Good of all beings?"
-Last words of Por'ui Fal'Shia Ko'lash Ni to Cannoness Alexandrea del'Mossa. Glass Mines Incident, 946 M41

"Fire! Fire! Fire!"
-Canonness

Mad4Minis wrote:

Destrado wrote:
It does bode badly for some who thought this release was Codex: Inquisition/Ordo Malleus.

In all fairness...it has been pretty well known that it would be Codex:Grey Knights for a while now. That should make it pretty obvious who was going to be focused on. Sure, it sucks for Inq/OM players, but at least theyve had some warning and didnt find out when the book was released.

It also shouldnt be a surprise. Think about it, GW had a choice...focus the codex on a group that very few people play and would likely draw in few new players...OR...focus on their bread and butter, Space Marines. Add in the fact that the current metal GK are widely praised as some of GWs best work and new versions would likely get a huge amount of attention...it was almost a given GK would win out over Inq.

Another point to note...GW invalidates old armies on purpose. Making a book that allows you to use all the minis you already own doesnt make them nearly as much money as releasing a book that causes you to have to buy a bunch more.

Its been their MO for a good long time. If you really dont like it, stop playing their games and buying their products. Contrary to what they would have you believe there are other games out there, and some are pretty good.

The other big issue is that Codexaemonhunters was a failure,from a sales standpoint. GW had to take a step back and completely retool it to make it a viable army. What they decided was that there were more people that thought a GK army was cool than people who thought an =I= army was cool. Realistically,DH was almost like one of those campaign books like Armaggeddon and EoT that they came out with in regards to it's army structure. Here's rules for a GK army,an =I= army,a mish-mash of the two,=I= with IG,and =I= with normal SM's. In the Armaggeddon book,BT's took off and got their own codex. Salamanders didn't,and got lumped back in with the SM 'dex. Nothing out of EoT sold well enough to warrant continued support. From a buisness standpoint,GW feels it can sell more models if they do a GK focused codex than if they do an =I= codex or another hodge podge book,so that's the direction they're going.

Like you said,GW phases stuff in and out all the time. Did my buddy's SW army get "invalidated" because he usually fielded a Leman Russ Exterminator and it got dropped from their latest codex? Of course not. I feel for anybody that truly has their army "squatted",but that really isn't the case here. Either hardcore =I= players care enough about their army to set aside their dislike of SC's and/or "Counts As" to play their army or they don't. Most 40k players don't mind using SC's or Counts As models,so GW probably thought that was a reasonable enough compromise.

Whatever1 wrote:The other big issue is that Codexaemonhunters was a failure,from a sales standpoint. GW had to take a step back and completely retool it to make it a viable army. What they decided was that there were more people that thought a GK army was cool than people who thought an =I= army was cool.

Then they are fools. It doesn't take a genius to work out an underpowered army with zero plastic support is going to sell poorly.

agreed. Making a underpowered all-metal army with limited fluff and virually nothing vs high-armour tanks=not going to sell.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:A confirmation is fine and dandy, but a preview is always nice. Who is writing it by the way?

Let's hope it's Matt Ward.

If us Inquisitorial players have to lose our armies, the least we can get is payback via a Wardish nonsense Codex.

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Feth that man, I hope Matt Ward gets no where near the Grey Knights. Get someone like Robin Cruddace (so far a competent author of the Imperial Guard codex) or Ben Counter (the author of the Grey Knight books), just as long as its not Matt Ward. I'd perfer what few of the Knights I have to not have Rowboat Girlyman as their "spiritual liege". In all seriousness though, I'm glad the Knights are finally getting their dex because this puts an end to rumors that have been running rampant for years, and others as well:
1. No codex: Inquisition :(, but at least this means the sisters will get their own dex , and if GW is clever they "could" pick up on the popularity of Deathwatch from FFG and release a dex for them.

2. This at least means that first new dex of the year is confirmed. It's a marine dex (technicaly), so if the popularized pattern persists, next dex is likely to be NOT MARINES (I personaly hope its crons so that my local cron player will kinda stay in the loop). Really it SHOULD be crons, cuz they now have the oldest dex right before sisters, tau, and eldar (as far as NOT MARINES).

Inquisitor N wrote:Get someone like Robin Cruddace (so far a competent author of the Imperial Guard codex)

...and incompetent author of the Tyranids codex. But we're pretty sure it's going to be him.

or Ben Counter (the author of the Grey Knight books)

Counter might be a fine writer, but from all I've heard he doesn't "get" Grey Knights (or SoB for that matter).

1. No codex: Inquisition :(, but at least this means the sisters will get their own dex , and if GW is clever they "could" pick up on the popularity of Deathwatch from FFG and release a dex for them.

They've had a hard enough time giving the Sisters a proper fluff treatment as is, without shoving them in with the Grey Knights. As for Deathwatch, they're not much different to any other Space Marine. Just give them a web article with rules for Ordo Xenos Inquisitors (that let you take Sternguard squads as troops) and you're pretty much done.

AlexHolker wrote:As for Deathwatch, they're not much different to any other Space Marine. Just give them a web article with rules for Ordo Xenos Inquisitors (that let you take Sternguard squads as troops) and you're pretty much done.

actually, some dakkaites have started movements to make a DW fandex:
http://wh40k.tk/

AlexHolker wrote:
They've had a hard enough time giving the Sisters a proper fluff treatment as is, without shoving them in with the Grey Knights. As for Deathwatch, they're not much different to any other Space Marine. Just give them a web article with rules for Ordo Xenos Inquisitors (that let you take Sternguard squads as troops) and you're pretty much done.

DW have a lot more options than Sternguard and other different ammo types.
HB with suspenders and hellfire ammo, power weapons, fists lightening claws etc.
Sternguard and Vanguard for that matter serve a specific role. DW are able to do both.

Let alone have an apothecary, librarian, jet pack assault marine, and devastator in one squad...

tldr wrote:

Let alone have an apothecary, librarian, jet pack assault marine, and devastator in one squad...

Just the rest of their goodness

Hey in an attempt to bring this tread back to topic:

If I were to be starting a Grey Knights army, and wanted to prepare my purchases so I can get the essential plastic kits when they come out, and not worry about buying things availiable now... what kits availiable now should I pick up? Razorback kits? Rhinos? Drop pods?

Who knows.

They may or may not have options for trasnports (which is how they should be, different and unique...) Going to have to wait for more information really :/

Too much speculation right now.

I would wait on buying Transports.

Stockpile $$... THats what I'm doing.

Miraclefish wrote:GW have said in literature that an Inquisitor's authority is second only to the God-Emperor and that an Inquisitor has the authority to order a Space Marine Chapter to act.

Of course it mentions in the same place that no sane Inquisitor would ever order the Astartes to do anything, even though they technically could do.

Still, that leaves half the Ordo Malleus...

literature also said that chapters only ow do to the god-empere and no outher man even inq dosn't have the power to order them. they can make there life harder. but blood angels have refusede to give gene seeds to the bank ans still nothing has been don.

There really isn't a need for TWO of these threads, so...

Please go here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/334488.page

This one's done!