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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Personally would be confused by a second vehicle when we already have one with two modes, making another one thats small enough to fit on a base is.. interesting, I guess?

The new Ork buggies came on bases, so it's not too weird I guess.

Well if it's supposed to be a lighter, faster transport then i could see it being on a base since it'd likely be smaller.

And I think that the wheel being so similar to the goliath's and that art piece looking very similar to a goliath's, makes this seem like the new vehicle

Looking at that image again I definitely think its supposed to be a much wider shot that was cropped down. Why? Because maybe there are models that we haven't seen yet in the wider image?

that's def the case

I'm all for more vehicles on bases. I prefer it. The Ork one's really showed how good you can make them look with some extra basing. Tied it all together.

Wait a second. About this "blip" system. I remember reading something about it somewhere, and remembered it's actually in the Vigilus book, as a mission rule. See page 159, it's a mission system that uses a blip system that seems like it could definitely be a rule in the GSC book:



For example, the rules state that if something comes near you, you reveal yourself, but you may immediately shoot or charge.

I was wondering how long until someone else would catch that part..

They like to hide things in plain sight. I really wouldn't be shocked if that is the same system.

I mean if I can auto charge if things get close I'm 100% okay with the blip system.

6" is very short for spotting distance, but think I do like the idea as a telegraphed deepstrike.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I mean if I can auto charge if things get close I'm 100% okay with the blip system.

Bear in mind that the system from Vigilus has the Genestealers that get setup attacking everything.

There is a worry that this system could be bad. I've seen a couple of responses that I can sort of emphasise with (after I posted that page elsewhere). Of course we can't really say "it's a bad system" until we've actually see the rules, but I can see why there's a potential cause for concern:

Is it just me, or do blips seem like a terrible idea?

The way to do them right is that you can move blips like you move a unit, but it can't shoot or charge until revealed.

GW will never do this. They're going to do something like genestealer infestation nodes, but you can move them with the hologram table guy. This is going to be terrible.

My greatest concern is that they're going to have to remain stationary and the other player will just keep their gak far enough away from them that it will not trigger. I do like that they're going to be way different than just a deep strike though.

Have you ever played xcom? Imagine playing xcom, but from the alien side. Your units are stuck in blips unable to do anything until revealed.It honestly seems pointlessly bad.

Yeah, but we're assuming it's going to work like infestation nodes, where you can't reveal the unit until something moves within 6" of it. And if it's like them, you can't deploy them within 9" of an enemy. So you have half your army "locked" off the board until your opponent decides to reveal them. They will never reveal them if they don't have the upper hand against you and don't think they could win a 1v1 vs. your ambushing unit. They just have to kill all non-blip units on the board to win.

Sure, there might be a character that lets you move like 1 blip per turn (Nexos), but I very much doubt he'll let you move them within 6" of your opponent to flip them.

Interesting points, I think that this is kind of a precursor to what we'll see, I'd be very surprised if it was the same

 CaptainBetts wrote:
Something I noticed in one of the photos someone took at the Open Day:

Spoiler:

If we look to the very back of the image, we see a biker with a different scheme - looks to be yellow and blue. There's also a dark purple-ish scheme for another biker in that photo, thanks for pointing that out insaniak.

Does anyone know which Cult this comes from? It'd give us a hint to what one of our subfactions are.

I like how people go to these event often manage to take the blurriest picture of new models. While the one already show months ago have a clear shot. Like GW actually give a potato camera to visitor and they have to take picture with it.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Well if it's supposed to be a lighter, faster transport then i could see it being on a base since it'd likely be smaller.

And I think that the wheel being so similar to the goliath's and that art piece looking very similar to a goliath's, makes this seem like the new vehicle

Looking at that image again I definitely think its supposed to be a much wider shot that was cropped down. Why? Because maybe there are models that we haven't seen yet in the wider image?

It could just be a Goliath that's not on a base with another based model right beside it, and perspective makes it look the same model.

Maybe it's just one of the new bikes?

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Maybe it's just one of the new bikes?

We've seen what all the bikes look like, and the wheels are much smaller, thinner, and different in their tire tread design.

All the biker wheels look like this (I was at the Vigilus Weekender back in November when they were showing off the bikes and saw all the sculpts for them) - they don't look similar.


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 xttz wrote:

It could just be a Goliath that's not on a base with another based model right beside it, and perspective makes it look the same model.

I don't think so, the wheel very much looks like it's on the base. We can see the base extend in front of, to the right of, and behind the base.

They're probably just different paint schemes. I think we'd know if there were entirely new minis in the case that they showed off.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're probably just different paint schemes. I think we'd know if there were entirely new minis in the case that they showed off.

We're not saying the yellow/dark purple bikes are new models. We're saying they're the paint schemes of the new subfactions they're introducing into the 8e GSC codex.

The "new model" we're talking about wasn't displayed in the cabinets at Open Day. There are two conversations going on here - one about the paint schemes of the bikes for subfactions, and one about a new vehicle model.

With the positioning of the wheel and the base, I highly doubt its a trick of the eye. I'm 90% that whatever that wheel belongs to is on a base, I wont eat my hat if I'm wrong but I'd be very surprised.

I'd very much like for GSC to have some kind of buggy or faster transport vehicle for the faction. Mainly because I have a conversion in mind I wouldn't mind giving a go

Also, I have been away from 40k for a while, are all vehicles now trending to be put on a base of some kind? I know it has happened for the Orks, but will it also go forward for things like Rhino's, Chimera's, Leman Russ tanks etc?

Possible if they ever redeisgn the models however for now no.

 Strat_N8 wrote:

CaptainBetts wrote:
I'm not sure what those red bits are on either side of the central spine though. If it was a new sculpt that difference would be really minor.

The red lines on the carapace is warpaint applied by the hybrids to mark different broods (same warpaint can be seen on Rusted Claw Aberrants).

The red bits actually suggest it's a new kit. One of the minor difference between the Overkill stealers and the older ones was that more musculature/guts/whatever showed through the outer carapace on their upper backs.

The fact that those areas are a painted a different colour indicates that the models are either from Overkill or a new kit. If they're from Overkill then the picture is odd for combining the regular kit with the Overkill models, because the other Genestealers in that unit have Ymgarl heads (not a part of the Overkill sculpts).

The other most notable difference the Overkill figures had was at the attachment point between the model and the base, so it's shame we can't really see the feet of those stealers in the teaser.

 CaptainBetts wrote:

Does anyone know which Cult this comes from? It'd give us a hint to what one of our subfactions are.

I'm not sure about the yellow one (might belong to Twisted Helix or Innerwyrm - neither got color schemes in the 7th edition book but had fluff and logos, Innerwyrm's logo is actually on the Iconward's banner incidentally) but the other one looks a bit like Hivecult. Their armor is a dark drab green-ish color with purple cloth.


If anyone is curious, here are the five that had both color schemes and logos in the 7th edition codex.

(Armor Color/Under-suit Color/Cloth Color)

Cult of the Four-Armed Emperor
Gray/Blue/Red

Hivecult
Green/Khaki/Purple

Rusted Claw
White/Orange/Red

Pauper Princes
White/Red/Red - Notably has greenish chitin instead of blue.

Bladed Cog
Red/Gray/Blue

 Altruizine wrote:

The red bits actually suggest it's a new kit. One of the minor difference between the Overkill stealers and the older ones was that more musculature/guts/whatever showed through the outer carapace on their upper backs.

The fact that those areas are a painted a different colour indicates that the models are either from Overkill or a new kit. If they're from Overkill then the picture is odd for combining the regular kit with the Overkill models, because the other Genestealers in that unit have Ymgarl heads (not a part of the Overkill sculpts).

The other most notable difference the Overkill figures had was at the attachment point between the model and the base, so it's shame we can't really see the feet of those stealers in the teaser.

Unfortunately they appear to be the same 'stealers used in the last codex. The picture below was from the First Curse formation:


Not that I wouldn't love a new 'stealer kit for the cults. More of the Overkill-style 'stealers would be excellent for differentiating between purestrains and Hive Fleet 'stealers. It would also be an excellent opportunity to bring back the Ymgarls, plus thematically they would fit better with GSC than Tyranids since 'nids don't want to re-assimilate them due to their instability.

I wonder if Forgeworld we do a few non human Genestealer hybrids.

We know there have been Elder, Tau and Ork in the lore.

I can't think of any units left out of the 2 waves of grot releases, so whatever goes on preorder next week won't be grot wave 3. Hopefully that rumor about GSC being right after grots wasn't fake

We'll know tomorrow though

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I can't think of any units left out of the 2 waves of grot releases, so whatever goes on preorder next week won't be grot wave 3. Hopefully that rumor about GSC being right after grots wasn't fake

We'll know tomorrow though

I hope so too, so my wallet can recover a bit.

I am fully prepared and expecting another orktober release. Wouldn't be shocked if it doesn't go on preorder until the 26th, hope I am wrong though.

Might we see a SC! box for GSC?

No.
Not for a good while yet.

Unless it’s just old units.

Given there was no codex reveal at the New years event, I think we're still looking at the three month window that started at the initial reveal in the November Vigilus open day.

Knowing that Vigilus 2 is set for pre-order around the 16th Feb if the 80 day clock started at the previous event.That gives us 4 weeks of releases between now and then - could easily see next week being Ambulls of various flavours, then two weeks of Genestealers, then preview of Vigilus 2, then Vigilus itself.

Did you miss the Codex, dice and cards revealed at the end of the trailer video?