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 Ouze wrote:
For me the real aversion to candles is less their innate charms - I like warm lighting and pleasant smells - and more about that I am a clumsy dumbass who doesn't need any more avenues for inadvertent fires.


I was waiting for someone to talk about the fires xD , us ladz do like us some accidental arson.

I feel like candles for me is more of a seasonal/situational thing used for stuff like candlelight vigils, during Christmas/other religious events and less of a general consumer product that I MUST have in my home. If things smell, it's probably cause someone and deposited their brown goods in the toilet recently and I just need matches for that.
   
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 Argive wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?


Whats a yankee candle?


They're a device for making my rabbit's room smell less like, well, rabbit.

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My wife and I are both asthmatics, so we can’t be in the same building as a scented candle, or any scented product for that matter. Heavily scented cologne, perfume or deodorant will trigger an asthma attack. We’d prefer bad human BO to “good” artificial scent, as we prefer breathing in stinkies to not breathing.

I guess what I’m saying is I wouldn’t game with a yankee candler.

   
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Catulle wrote:
 Argive wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?


Whats a yankee candle?


They're a device for making my rabbit's room smell less like, well, rabbit.

Sir your rabbit is clearly plotting to kill you.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Catulle wrote:
 Argive wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?


Whats a yankee candle?


They're a device for making my rabbit's room smell less like, well, rabbit.

Sir your rabbit is clearly plotting to kill you.

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BlackoCatto wrote:So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?
I had to google what that is and then simple followed that up by googling for manly candle (had a hunch that it would work) and picked a few of the links:

https://www.amazon.com/Masculine-Candle/s?k=Masculine+Candle

https://www.mancandlereviews.com/dude-candles-10-manly-aromas-youll-love/

https://www.etsy.com/market/manly_candle

https://www.dapperconfidential.com/best-candles-for-men/

https://www.elledecor.com/shopping/g27420843/candles-for-men/

https://manlyindulgence.com/

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gallery/best-scented-candles-for-men?image=60acf519706e4cbce0b34e51

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-21/the-17-best-candles-for-men

https://nextluxury.com/home-design/ten-scented-man-candles-for-manly-bachelor-pads/

The last one even has a "male" Yankee Candle version:

Midsummer Night Candle by Yankee candles feature a masculine, manly blend of musk, patchouli, sage and mahogany. When burning these manly candles maintain a very pleasant, but subtle presence in the area even when not lit. Although this aroma is designed for masculine preference, women also claim to like this scent very much. A medium size jar man candle lasts between 65 and 90 hours.


https://www.yankeecandle.com/yankee-candle/candles/jar-candles/small-jar-candles/midsummers-night/ORCL_138174.html

MidSummer's Night®
An intoxicating and masculine blend of musk, patchouli, sage and mahogany cologne.


Now I'm no expert when it comes to the scented candle business and I don't know if Yankee Candle hold a similar position in the candle business as GW does when it comes to wargaming but they seem to have specific scents made to fit their male audience's taste, and there seem to be other scented candle makers who are also aiming for the male market. If you are looking for a scent that goes beyond what you expect ("girly scents") then it seems like there are options that should appeal to men. You just haven't been looking hard enough. Hard enough meaning: One simple google search for many candle.

That question reeks of that type of whining we hear on every 8th of March (International Women's Day) along the lines of "but why's there no International Men's day?" and the answer to that is always: 19th of November is International Men's Day, every year. When somebody asks that type of question without having done any research at all on their own it really shows what motivated them in the first place.
   
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From my experience (with a statistically totally relevant sample size of 1), my girlfriend is not interested in Warhammer or Warhammer 40K, because she thinks the models are ugly and she doesn´t like the war-aspect. I tried to show the different factions to her with their distinct style (after all, an ork buggy is totally different to a Tau Suit), but the scepticism remained.

On the other hand, we did play X-Wing and Star Wars Armada several times against each other (and she won significantly more often than me), but that was a game of a well established franchise with relatively "clean" and well-known aesthetics and a really broad target audience, maybe making it easier to play such a wargame.

As said above, that´s just my anecdote and I still haven´t given up the hope that one day we may play WH against each other.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Sir your rabbit is clearly plotting to kill you.


Well, yes.

I mean, *rabbit*..

Plus he has previous form involving darkened staircases.
   
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DocFoots wrote:
From my experience (with a statistically totally relevant sample size of 1), my girlfriend is not interested in Warhammer or Warhammer 40K, because she thinks the models are ugly and she doesn´t like the war-aspect. I tried to show the different factions to her with their distinct style (after all, an ork buggy is totally different to a Tau Suit), but the scepticism remained.

On the other hand, we did play X-Wing and Star Wars Armada several times against each other (and she won significantly more often than me), but that was a game of a well established franchise with relatively "clean" and well-known aesthetics and a really broad target audience, maybe making it easier to play such a wargame.

As said above, that´s just my anecdote and I still haven´t given up the hope that one day we may play WH against each other.


I'd also add the characterization aspect - you can feel something about Han or Vader or Finn flying around blowing stuff up.

When I look at my hobby table and say "hooray, time to paint a sergeant, a plasma gunner and 8 wound counters for them" it's a major turn off and a reason I bounce to so many other projects.
   
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 BlackoCatto wrote:
So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?


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 BlackoCatto wrote:
So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?


They should make new scents like gunpowder, napalm, beer etc.

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Catulle wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Sir your rabbit is clearly plotting to kill you.


Well, yes.

I mean, *rabbit*..

Plus he has previous form involving darkened staircases.


How has no one mentioned the big, pointy teeth?

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*All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
 
   
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I am amazed no one has commented the rabbit gets its own room.


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DocFoots wrote:
On the other hand, we did play X-Wing and Star Wars Armada several times against each other (and she won significantly more often than me), but that was a game of a well established franchise with relatively "clean" and well-known aesthetics and a really broad target audience, maybe making it easier to play such a wargame.


But haven't the new films established all the stormtroopers are orphaned brainwashed kids the heroes blow away with never a moral qualms...

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I am amazed no one has commented the rabbit gets its own room.

I assume it’s where it’s tractor or cage is. Letting a rabbit loose in a space is a good way to get a territorial rabbit. Which isn’t fun.

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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?


They should make new scents like gunpowder, napalm, beer etc.


I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.



I think Catto successfully de-railed the thread. Good work!




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 BlackoCatto wrote:
So how do we make Yankee Candle more appealing to men I wonder?


You can't, it's not possible; and it would be weird if you could. Men aren't interested in such things; the technical "men" you see here however, who own pet rabbits, are furries, or any of the creatures on this site might be convinced to shop for scented candles.
   
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 Easy E wrote:
I think Catto successfully de-railed the thread. Good work!


Discuss social/marketing/participation issues, vs gentle making fun of someone with a poorly chosen example for their argument
   
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Based on activity in FB groups, it’s pretty astounding how many more women have an interest in Malifaux than (for example) GW product lines. That said, most of the posts from women I have seen in Malifaux groups are about painting rather than list building or any kind of play (casual or competitive). It’s interesting to me that it seems to be the aesthetics of the setting (and therefore, as part of that, the models) that attracts women even despite them perhaps not being all that interested in the particular kind of game Malifaux is (combo-heavy, relatively competitive). It could also be that assembling and painting models is largely a solitary hobby that can very easily be a “community experience” in terms of social media whereas playing table top games like Malifaux tend to have the reverse dynamic (more social in person, not as “naturally” communal in digital spaces).

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Majority of girls are simply not into "craft" hobbies like tabletop games in which you need to assemble and paint the models first.

   
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That doesn’t make sense to me because, at least here in the US, there is a pretty large industry of “craft” hobbies marketed quite successfully to women particularly with extensive retail support.

But there are also no Wired articles about why men are not shopping more at stores like HobbyLobby or why more men are not interested in making seasonal wreathes.

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 Strg Alt wrote:
Majority of girls are simply not into "craft" hobbies like tabletop games in which you need to assemble and paint the models first.



How the hell are you defining craft hobbies? Googling craft hobbies yields sewing, handicraft, knitting, and crochet as the first four results. I don't know who you think is doing that.


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 Strg Alt wrote:
Majority of girls are simply not into "craft" hobbies like tabletop games in which you need to assemble and paint the models first.


In general, the very definition of a hobby as "crafts" as opposed to "art" is that women do it rather than men: Sewing, knitting, beadwork, etc. So yeah, women are really into craft hobbies it turns out.
   
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The_Real_Chris wrote:

But haven't the new films established all the stormtroopers are orphaned brainwashed kids the heroes blow away with never a moral qualms...


One could argue the same about many of the soldiers in the European theater of WWII.

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 trexmeyer wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
Majority of girls are simply not into "craft" hobbies like tabletop games in which you need to assemble and paint the models first.



How the hell are you defining craft hobbies? Googling craft hobbies yields sewing, handicraft, knitting, and crochet as the first four results. I don't know who you think is doing that.



"Craft hobbies" is obviously the wrong description because people associate craft with the things you mentioned, but I assume what Strg was talking about was the hurdle that is painting an army, while there might be parallels with other female-dominated crafts, for most it is an arduous process before you ever get to the actual "wargaming" part.

That said, a broad observation has been that women who are into the hobby tend to be more into the painting portion than the gaming portion, though I wonder how many of them are interested in painting an entire army. Painting a few models here and there is quite different to the act of painting an entire army that's ready for a game.




   
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Judging by the number of boring grey plastic armies I saw as a TO, there aren't many male gamers into the painting of a whole army before playing games, either.




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 chromedog wrote:
Judging by the number of boring grey plastic armies I saw as a TO, there aren't many male gamers into the painting of a whole army before playing games, either.



Depends on the event, most stuff I've seen painting is a requirement, but when one of the local stores relaxed their no painting policy the grey hordes were released, but a lot of places don't let you play unpainted still.

But yeah, I think painting an army is an obstacle to all but the biggest weirdos regardless of whether they're female or male. But when you consider the bell curve of men and women, potentially there's more men on the tail of people who are willing to go to the effort of building and painting an army.

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The_Real_Chris wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
I think Catto successfully de-railed the thread. Good work!


Discuss social/marketing/participation issues, vs gentle making fun of someone with a poorly chosen example for their argument


Derail, I thought it was rather on topic.

I myself think a Fried Chicken Scent would be a good strat for the male demo.


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 trexmeyer wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
Majority of girls are simply not into "craft" hobbies like tabletop games in which you need to assemble and paint the models first.



How the hell are you defining craft hobbies? Googling craft hobbies yields sewing, handicraft, knitting, and crochet as the first four results. I don't know who you think is doing that.



"Craft hobbies" is obviously the wrong description because people associate craft with the things you mentioned, but I assume what Strg was talking about was the hurdle that is painting an army, while there might be parallels with other female-dominated crafts, for most it is an arduous process before you ever get to the actual "wargaming" part.

That said, a broad observation has been that women who are into the hobby tend to be more into the painting portion than the gaming portion, though I wonder how many of them are interested in painting an entire army. Painting a few models here and there is quite different to the act of painting an entire army that's ready for a game.






It's the difference between the modelling section and the gaming section of the game. This can be seen in the general hobby of wargaming.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 chromedog wrote:
Judging by the number of boring grey plastic armies I saw as a TO, there aren't many male gamers into the painting of a whole army before playing games, either.



Depends on the event, most stuff I've seen painting is a requirement, but when one of the local stores relaxed their no painting policy the grey hordes were released, but a lot of places don't let you play unpainted still.

But yeah, I think painting an army is an obstacle to all but the biggest weirdos regardless of whether they're female or male. But when you consider the bell curve of men and women, potentially there's more men on the tail of people who are willing to go to the effort of building and painting an army.


Maybe, but I firmly believe the ease of collecting/painting is why skirmish games exploded in popularity last decade and large scale games seem to be less and less popular (with the usual exception of 40k which is pretty much it's own damn hobby if we like it or not). I know the last full army I painted was in...2005 I think. After that I've just not had the patience or inclination to paint whole armies of 50-100 models vs small skirmish forces of 10-20.
   
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Cronch wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 chromedog wrote:
Judging by the number of boring grey plastic armies I saw as a TO, there aren't many male gamers into the painting of a whole army before playing games, either.



Depends on the event, most stuff I've seen painting is a requirement, but when one of the local stores relaxed their no painting policy the grey hordes were released, but a lot of places don't let you play unpainted still.

But yeah, I think painting an army is an obstacle to all but the biggest weirdos regardless of whether they're female or male. But when you consider the bell curve of men and women, potentially there's more men on the tail of people who are willing to go to the effort of building and painting an army.


Maybe, but I firmly believe the ease of collecting/painting is why skirmish games exploded in popularity last decade and large scale games seem to be less and less popular (with the usual exception of 40k which is pretty much it's own damn hobby if we like it or not). I know the last full army I painted was in...2005 I think. After that I've just not had the patience or inclination to paint whole armies of 50-100 models vs small skirmish forces of 10-20.


I guess part of the question is also what are we defining as "wargaming", a lot of those skirmish type games I consider more like board gaming with painted models than wargaming, and also I've noticed more female gamers interested in those types of games (at least around these parts).
   
 
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