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I'd expect the SC set to be

1 Canoness
10 Battle Sisters
Either 1, maybe 2, Penitent Engines or 1 Immolator

Not so much based on price, but just on what other boxes contain.

And the same Battle Sister sprues as this first box. If they were going to release something with more options later, I think they would have just done it already.
   
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Fictional wrote:
I'd expect the SC set to be

1 Canoness
10 Battle Sisters
Either 1, maybe 2, Penitent Engines or 1 Immolator

Not so much based on price, but just on what other boxes contain.

And the same Battle Sister sprues as this first box. If they were going to release something with more options later, I think they would have just done it already.

There's no "Battle Sister sprues" in this box. Everything barring the Canoness is all on shared frames from what we have seen.

It's likely that the Start Collecting set, whenever it happens, would have everything barring the Canoness with her being replaced by an Imagifer or something.

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Ahh, yes, I see, ETB basic models.

Still seems a strange thing to do, but now makes me think that the "proper" release of boxes will be a lot further off.
   
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Ahh, yes, I see, ETB basic models.

Still seems a strange thing to do, but now makes me think that the "proper" release of boxes will be a lot further off.

Bear in mind that this is the first year in awhile we're seeing releases going into December.
Normally? December has hobby tools, books, reboxings, or releases of Start Collectings.

This year, we have Slaves to Darkness.
   
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Maybe a dumb question, but is this box something retailers can order?

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 Coolyo294 wrote:
Maybe a dumb question, but is this box something retailers can order?


Yes,GW have been fishing for numbers
   
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I can't see the sprues for this box becoming the basis for a future Start Collecting Sisters of Battle. There's simply too much arranged on several different sprues for it to work (for GW) at their SC price points.

Shadowspear broke up the contents of the sprues with this in mind, this box obviously did not.

   
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 John Prins wrote:
I can't see the sprues for this box becoming the basis for a future Start Collecting Sisters of Battle. There's simply too much arranged on several different sprues for it to work (for GW) at their SC price points.

Shadowspear broke up the contents of the sprues with this in mind, this box obviously did not.

Shadowspear's sprues aren't anything special, if one really looks at it critically.

Let's have a look, shall we?
Here's the Chaos Marine side of things:
This sprue features the Venomcrawler and Obliterators. All 3 of those are coming in the SC! for CSM that we know about.
Spoiler:

This sprue features the two Greater Possessed and the 10 man Chaos Marine Squad
Spoiler:

This is the Master of Possession
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Notice: Everything's fairly self-contained. If they ever want to sell the Venomcrawler and Obliterators as some kind of "Heavy Support" bundle? They can!

Now here's the Marine side of things:
This is the Captain and Librarian in Phobos Armor. They're their own, individual sprues. They didn't have to be, but they are.
Spoiler:



Here's the 'Command' sprue, which is basically a requirement and weirdly done. It features the Infiltrator, Suppressor, and Eliminator Sergeants. It also features the Lieutenant in Phobos Armor, the Helix-Adept, what I like to refer to as a 'demi-Sergeant' for the Infiltrators, and the Infiltrator throwing the Smoke Grenade.
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Lastly, you have the 'Troop' sprue, which is duplicated in the box.
Spoiler:


Do we actually have good shots of the sprues for the Sisters army pack yet?
Because going off this:
Spoiler:

It looks like it takes after the Marines side of things from Shadowspear with a sprue for the Arco-Flagellants and the Penitent Engine, a sprue for the 'Command' elements(the Iconbearer, flamethrower operator, the Mistress of Repentia, the two squad leaders, and the two unique Repentia), and a final sprue duplicated for everyone else.
   
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There are 4 sprues in the box:

Canoness (separate because it's going to be clam pack'd).
Uniques Sprue (Sister Superior, Icon girl, Flamer, Storm Bolter, 1 Archo, the Whippy Sister, Flying Sister Superior and the Penitent Engine)
2x Troop Sprue (3 Sisters of Battle, 2 Repentia, 2 Seraphim, 1 Archo).

That's it.

*The Repentia might be shuffled around a little - 1 per Troops sprue and 2 on the Unique sprue. Tough to tell 100% from that pic how unique each sculpt is.

   
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 Kanluwen wrote:

Do we actually have good shots of the sprues for the Sisters army pack yet?
Because going off this:
Spoiler:

It looks like it takes after the Marines side of things from Shadowspear with a sprue for the Arco-Flagellants and the Penitent Engine, a sprue for the 'Command' elements(the Iconbearer, flamethrower operator, the Mistress of Repentia, the two squad leaders, and the two unique Repentia), and a final sprue duplicated for everyone else.


There is a pretty good picture of 1 sprue floating around from the "Golden Demon Winners Day" last week. It's a mixture of squads; there is the penient engine, 1 saraphon, what I assume is a squad leader and the mistress of repentia and some battle sisters, one repentia. that's on 1 sprue. It reminds me of the way the starter boxes are done, lots of stuff in where it can fit.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There are 4 sprues in the box:

Canoness (separate because it's going to be clam pack'd).
Uniques Sprue (Sister Superior, Icon girl, Flamer, Storm Bolter, 1 Archo, the Whippy Sister, Flying Sister Superior and the Penitent Engine)
2x Troop Sprue (3 Sisters of Battle, 2 Repentia, 2 Seraphim, 1 Archo).

That's it.

*The Repentia might be shuffled around a little - 1 per Troops sprue and 2 on the Unique sprue. Tough to tell 100% from that pic how unique each sculpt is.


Largely agree, with the caveat that there may be spare heads (though maybe only 2 for the duplicated Repentia). The duplicated sisters and seraphim seem to have the option of helmets or not (or the heads are split exactly half and half, which doesn't make too much sense with duplicated sprues.

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It's safe to say that there are a few extra helmets on the sprue just for variety, but that's basically the breakdown (we've seen the sprue with the Penitent Engine on it already through the Chinese leaks).

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I wonder if the penitent engine will be bigger than the current one? If so I might just use a Dread Knight, or one of those Raging Heroes Jailbird mechs..

   
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 Siygess wrote:
I wonder if the penitent engine will be bigger than the current one? If so I might just use a Dread Knight, or one of those Raging Heroes Jailbird mechs..


It appears to be slightly smaller, going off the size of the 'pilot'.

   
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Fictional wrote:
I'd expect the SC set to be

1 Canoness
10 Battle Sisters
Either 1, maybe 2, Penitent Engines or 1 Immolator

Not so much based on price, but just on what other boxes contain.

And the same Battle Sister sprues as this first box. If they were going to release something with more options later, I think they would have just done it already.


my bet is that they will include one special character like the imigifier which they will withhold until the last few sisters releases in order to force people to buy the boxes for them

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So I don't think this will change people's minds, but I felt it was worth pointing out (credit to L'Astropate on Facebook for pointing this out): the Sisters may not fit the look of the old line as much as they borrow from Blanche's vision of the Imperium. For example, the Exorcist player's helmet:


So yeah, it's over the top in a way that doesn't fit everyone's opinion of the army (some people like their fanatics more militant, others like theirs more ornate after all), and lines up well with Blanche's art work (and likely borrows from it in ways the models couldn't do in the past).
   
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I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.

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Voss wrote:
I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.

My point wasn't the hat, it's the general direction towards more gothic and over the top, something that does lean into Blanche's work and something that models couldn't fully capture until more recently.
   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Voss wrote:
I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.

My point wasn't the hat, it's the general direction towards more gothic and over the top, something that does lean into Blanche's work and something that models couldn't fully capture until more recently.


Yeah, my point is that your point is wrong. The models aren't more gothic or over the top. Look at the army box models- they don't lean into Blanche's work at all- they're bog standard sisters in power armor. Which isn't bad, but isn't 'gothic' or even 'Blanchey'
Even the flagellants aren't over the top, they're just scarred, emaciated people with surprisingly tiny weapons replacing limbs.

The two tanks do have a bunch of extra bits glued on, but that isn't the same thing.

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Voss wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Voss wrote:
I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.

My point wasn't the hat, it's the general direction towards more gothic and over the top, something that does lean into Blanche's work and something that models couldn't fully capture until more recently.


Yeah, my point is that your point is wrong. The models aren't more gothic or over the top. Look at the army box models- they don't lean into Blanche's work at all- they're bog standard sisters in power armor. Which isn't bad, but isn't 'gothic' or even 'Blanchey'
Even the flagellants aren't over the top, they're just scarred, emaciated people with surprisingly tiny weapons replacing limbs.

The two tanks do have a bunch of extra bits glued on, but that isn't the same thing.


Scarred up women with eye patches is 100% Blanche. Even the basic design is tbh. They're just female sci-fi troopers, but also nuns wearing plate armour with fleur de lys, skulls and spikes. A lot of people seem to have a weirdly high bar for what counts as "gothic" these days.

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Voss wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Voss wrote:
I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.

My point wasn't the hat, it's the general direction towards more gothic and over the top, something that does lean into Blanche's work and something that models couldn't fully capture until more recently.


Yeah, my point is that your point is wrong. The models aren't more gothic or over the top. Look at the army box models- they don't lean into Blanche's work at all- they're bog standard sisters in power armor. Which isn't bad, but isn't 'gothic' or even 'Blanchey'
Even the flagellants aren't over the top, they're just scarred, emaciated people with surprisingly tiny weapons replacing limbs.

The two tanks do have a bunch of extra bits glued on, but that isn't the same thing.

It's not even "glued" on extra bits, most of that stuff looks baked into the sculpt itself (roses on the tracks for example). And you can claim the basis Sisters don't lean as heavilly in that direction, but what about the Canoness with her extra robes, robot foot and massive collar? That feels a lot like Blanche's work, just without the platform shoes.

I'm not saying -every single facet- of the army is leaning on Blanche's work, but I feel a lot of it is taking elements from his work on the background of the setting and blending it into the army. And his vision of the Imperium has always been a lot nuttier than anything the models where ever able to show.

And the Flagellants are based on Damien 1427 from the Inquisitor 54mm game.


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JSG wrote:
Voss wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Voss wrote:
I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.

My point wasn't the hat, it's the general direction towards more gothic and over the top, something that does lean into Blanche's work and something that models couldn't fully capture until more recently.


Yeah, my point is that your point is wrong. The models aren't more gothic or over the top. Look at the army box models- they don't lean into Blanche's work at all- they're bog standard sisters in power armor. Which isn't bad, but isn't 'gothic' or even 'Blanchey'
Even the flagellants aren't over the top, they're just scarred, emaciated people with surprisingly tiny weapons replacing limbs.

The two tanks do have a bunch of extra bits glued on, but that isn't the same thing.


Scarred up women with eye patches is 100% Blanche. Even the basic design is tbh. They're just female sci-fi troopers, but also nuns wearing plate armour with fleur de lys, skulls and spikes. A lot of people seem to have a weirdly high bar for what counts as "gothic" these days.

I feel like they place that bar just high enough to exclude the things they don't like, regardless of if it actually fits the definition or not.

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Voss wrote:
I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.


I'm glad you were here to speak for literally everyone,

I wonder what all those previous posts with people complaining about the hat were really about then!

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JSG wrote:
Voss wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Voss wrote:
I don't think one hat on a tank is a change in direction.

Nothing else goes in the direction of Blanche's art, nor is the hat the problem anyone has with the tanks.

My point wasn't the hat, it's the general direction towards more gothic and over the top, something that does lean into Blanche's work and something that models couldn't fully capture until more recently.


Yeah, my point is that your point is wrong. The models aren't more gothic or over the top. Look at the army box models- they don't lean into Blanche's work at all- they're bog standard sisters in power armor. Which isn't bad, but isn't 'gothic' or even 'Blanchey'
Even the flagellants aren't over the top, they're just scarred, emaciated people with surprisingly tiny weapons replacing limbs.

The two tanks do have a bunch of extra bits glued on, but that isn't the same thing.


Scarred up women with eye patches is 100% Blanche. Even the basic design is tbh. They're just female sci-fi troopers, but also nuns wearing plate armour with fleur de lys, skulls and spikes. A lot of people seem to have a weirdly high bar for what counts as "gothic" these days.

Well, its a fairly well defined school of art and architecture. I'd go with that.


I'm not sure how you arrived at eye patches as the sum total of Blanche, and no idea of where you're seeing lots of skulls and spikes on the army box models. Sure there are a few in the reliquary (but that's largely required to be a reliquary), and the repentia have a few things stuck through their skin (after pages and pages and pages of complaining that they didn't have enough when they were first shown off). By 40k standards of skulls and spikes, that's basically nothing. The fleur is their army symbol, so yeah, I'd expect to see some of those.

Power Armor: Check
Bolters: Check
Parts of Robes: Check
Bob cuts: Check

Gothic elements: er, well. Not check. 'A reliquary' doesn't match 'leaning in'

Zion wrote:I'm not saying -every single facet- of the army is leaning on Blanche's work, but I feel a lot of it is taking elements from his work on the background of the setting and blending it into the army. And his vision of the Imperium has always been a lot nuttier than anything the models where ever able to show.

Yeah, see, if it isn't showing on the models, its weird to make a case about the direction of the models.

A couple bits and bobs isn't a matter of 'every single facet,' its a token gesture that doesn't really matter. A wink or an easter egg reference here and there.

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So we're talking spikes and gothic influences right?

Like the spikes and gothic arch on the Penitent Engine?


Or the gothic arches on the front of the tank, the missile launcher and the reliquary?


Ignoring the skulls as being too obvious, we have more gothic arches here as well.


More spikes and arches and a nun's habit, something that came about during the Middle Ages (12-16th century when gothic was the name of the game).


And forehead branding (a very Blanche addition), along with the spiked abdominal adornment that reminds me of a cilice (another middle ages tool). She also has an actual cilice on her left (viewer's right) leg.


This gal looks like she's been blinded, and has a spike through the side of her face (something that fits the penitents from C:WH at least).

So yeah, nods to the Gothic style, the time period that birthed it and Blanche's style of work definitely feel like they're mixed into the army.
   
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Just read ClockworkZion's post above.

Just noticed that even the fleur de lys incorporates a gothic arch.

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JSG wrote:
Just read ClockworkZion's post above.

Just noticed that even the fleur de lys incorporates a gothic arch.

I didn't even see that, but yeah, there is the same arch shape on a a lot of the fleur de lys.
   
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Just a simple man’s idea, having not seen the sprues, but perhaps the models will eventually be released as two Start Collecting! boxes?
Start Collecting! Adeptus Sororitas
1x Cannoness
10x Sisters
5x Seraphim

Start Collecting! The Penitent
1x Mistress Repentia
4x Repentia
3x Acro-Flaggulants
1X Penitent Engine

Just my idea based only on the set, have not seen the sprues. Either way, I’m sure these minis will be rereleased at some point.
   
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Unfortunately not possible with the ways the sprues are laid out.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Unfortunately not possible with the ways the sprues are laid out.


Also, the second one would be truly horrendous. 32mm infantry boxes can't be that close to the Beastclaw raider's box's model count.

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Also would fold to a stiff breeze. If you can deal 7 wounds on T3 5++ models that wants to be in close combat but have no transport, there is only a character and a small vehicle left.to deal with.

 
   
 
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