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**AndrewGPaul**

Iracundus wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Which leads to an interesting Concept.

Revenants are of course somewhere between a Knight and a Warhounds in terms of battlefield role, if not size.

The Phantom/Warlock, arguably Reaver equivalent, though again in battlefield role falling between Warhound and Reaver.

There’s precisely nothing stopping them from creating a new class, one better suited to counter Warlords. Now quite what that might look like, I dunno. I’ll leave that to people more into their Eldar.

But one idea did pop into my head, psychically charged monofilament Cannon. Imagine spraying and enemy Titan with that, and watching the mesh overload shield after shield until it exhausts it’s energies? Void Shields/Power Fields are there to resist large focussed hits. What if the mesh is covering the entirety of the shield, stressing it’s generator for ‘a thousand cuts’. Seems very Eldar to me!

Phantom/Warlocks were Warlord equivalent back in Epic days. It wasn't until Forge World later seemed to downgrade them to being merely Reaver equivalent. Revenants were Warhound equivalents. Again it seems that it is Forge World that goes around making the Eldar versions inferior to the Imperium ones.

Size-wise, yes. However, right from the off, they've been more similar to Reavers in terms of firepower. For a start, their wing mounts were limited to two hard-points (i.e attack dice) each - no super-heavy weapons allowed, since they took up three hard points. Both wing mounts combined are roughly equivalent to a single Imperial titan carapace mount.

**Xanthos**

bortass wrote:
Has anyone spend any time looking at the buildings that come in the box? I assume they can only be built one way compared to the newer 40K terrain pieces that have options to built your own designs.

It'd be nice if it's possible to have some level of flexibility...

Lots of modularity. Three different heights and the kit will make for a lot of variation and creativity. :-)

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Oh, and there are a ton of spare roofs and connectors. I could wish for some ruined parts also, but those are likely on their way in a separate kit.

**Imateria**

The Phantom is still very much meant to be the Eldar equivelant of the Warlord titan, it's only the 8th ed rules for the Phantom that are so laughably bad that it couldn't dream to hold up in a fight with one (matches how bad the rules are for just about everything Eldar that FW produce). Last edition they were pretty much equal in capability, whoever went first was likely to win (fun fact, it was physically impossible for Phantom with duel Pulsars to miss a Warlord, even with only a 5" template a max 8" scatter in any direction would still clip the Warlord).

The Revenant fills the same role as the Warhound, they're both Scout titans, it's just the Revenant's firepower gets close to the Reavers. It's the Reaver that Eldar have no equivelant to, but the versatility of both the Revenant and Phantom means they generally don't need one (not that I'd complain if they make one).

**KTG17**

Xanthos wrote:
bortass wrote:
Has anyone spend any time looking at the buildings that come in the box? I assume they can only be built one way compared to the newer 40K terrain pieces that have options to built your own designs.

It'd be nice if it's possible to have some level of flexibility...

Lots of modularity. Three different heights and the kit will make for a lot of variation and creativity. :-)

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Oh, and there are a ton of spare roofs and connectors. I could wish for some ruined parts also, but those are likely on their way in a separate kit.

I swear, I know its probably because its modular, but man, those square tiles for the roof look perfect for putting the square Epic bases on. Its eerie.

**Sherrypie**

KTG17 wrote:

I swear, I know its probably because its modular, but man, those square tiles for the roof look perfect for putting the square Epic bases on. Its eerie.

Future proofing, man, future proofing...

**Xanthos**

Sherrypie wrote:
KTG17 wrote:

I swear, I know its probably because its modular, but man, those square tiles for the roof look perfect for putting the square Epic bases on. Its eerie.

Future proofing, man, future proofing...

They are. Perfect in every way. :-)

I'm considering making some of these in the old school T shapes of the cardboard terrain. Just as a callback. Already doing urban camo for the carapaces of my Legio Tempestus engines. The first Warlord is closing on finished, will update my painting blog once it's done. ;-)

**Yodhrin**

Are all those wee vents and greebles on the roofs there part of the kit?

**Strg Alt**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
All about how they work in the game.

Traditionally? Eldar have been fast. And indeed, their Holofields depended on keeping on the move. Their guns were never the best, but thanks to being swifter, they typically got in better shots, compensating somewhat. This was all offset by being, Holofields aside, really really easy to smash up. Unlike other Titans, couple of solid hits would do serious damage.

Orks? Polar opposite. They couldn’t really manoeuvre worth a damn, but they were hell to stop. They came with more shields than anyone for a start, but couldn’t reinstate any they lost. Other than that, you just had to keep on hitting them, and hitting them. No Plasma reactor to tonk. Blow its head off and you just made ordering it about a bit harder. Blow off a foot? Didn’t topple over and die.

At the moment, with both sides using the same rules, booms and drawbacks, it’s fairly easy to have a properly functioning game. But start adding in other races? That’s quite the challenge to keep it all even. Though the more potential variety of opponents, the more weapon upgrades they’ll sell. I mean, against Orks? I need every shot to count, so go for punch over rate of fire. Eldar? More or less the opposite. Just pagga them with as many shots as you can, because it doesn’t take many hits getting through to give them a bad day.

Eldar Titans were the worst because of their Holofields. It did not protect them at all against barrage weapons which were used a lot by the Imperium and the Squats. Another crippling feature was the effect of a Holofield depending on the Order:

First Fire: 4+
Advance: 3+
Charge: 2+

You want to shoot with a Titan so the Charge Order was in most cases a waste. If you picked Advance order then you would be gunned down by all units on First Fire because Advance fire was always resolved later. And if you picked First Fire then you needed the blessing of the dice gods or else you wouldn´t survive the return fire.

Imperial & Squat Void shields were therefore vastly superior and could even regenerate. Hell, I would even prefer orkish Power Fields. So when were Eldar Titans really good? Against a foe with almost zero access to barrage weapons and who would have very short range shooting attacks (Chaos & Orks).

Are you talking about Epic as a whole, or Adeptus Titanicus here? Restricting things to just titans does mean the number of blasts weapons available might not be as much, and there should be more large structures to block LOS - if a Warlord can hide behind a tower block, a highly manoeuvrable Phantom can too.

As I recall, while you could hit Phantoms fairly easily with barrage weapons (although I didn't have many - just a single detachment of deathstrikes with plasma warheads and a detachment of Whirlwinds), they were still hard to damage due to their silhouette - unlike the Warlord or Great Gargant where a centre mass shot at least guaranteed a hit (at the cost of targeting the heaviest armour), there was nowhere on a Phantom that you couldn't miss it from. And then Titan Legions re-introduced experience advances for titans, and allowed Eldar to get a skill that allowed them to save vs blast weapons, and my regular opponent's Revenants became unkillable.

I was talking about Epic/SM. Imperial Guard had artillery companies, Leviathan and the Warlord Titan with the barrage missile launcher which produced D6 barrage templates. Eldar Titans (ET) were just a waste of points against them. Squats had the Land Train, Colossus and the Goliath Mega Battery which also would make swiss cheese out of ET.

About the silhouette: You rolled two six-sided dice and each die would have only two results which would change the direction of the designated target location (Left, Right & Up, Down). So you chose the plasma reactor location of ET as a target, fire a barrage weapon with a nice asm and roll a D6: A roll of 5+ on the damage would cause it to explode. Even a roll of 3-4 on the table was quite dangerous for ET.

You want to hide ET? Barrage weapons could be fired indirectly. You needed only a friendly unit with LOS. IG would usually use bike companies for target spotting and Squats had the Armoured Airship.

**Xanthos**

Yodhrin wrote:
Are all those wee vents and greebles on the roofs there part of the kit?

Yup. All of the roofs are double sided, and most have greeblies, so you can have with or without greeblies as you please. :-)

**Strg Alt**

Sherrypie wrote:
KTG17 wrote:

I swear, I know its probably because its modular, but man, those square tiles for the roof look perfect for putting the square Epic bases on. Its eerie.

Future proofing, man, future proofing...

Hmm, that´s a bummer. I expected GW to release buildings with circular roofs just to mess with us customers.

**Nurglitch**

A 32mm circular base fits inside a 40mm square pretty easily.

**Strg Alt**

Nurglitch wrote:
A 32mm circular base fits inside a 40mm square pretty easily.

Nobody said something about 32mm. Let´s see how and if they release any other units apart from Titans & Knights.

**BrianDavion**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
My 40k Warhound is painted in the colours of the Death's Heads, to ally with my Emperor's Children, Cyclothraithe dark mechanicum and House Atrax Knights. That won't stop me using it in 40k (alongside said Knights) with my Elysians and Space Wolves; I'll just mumble a bit when someone asks what legion it's from.

Black and red is also so simple that I could see something similer getting reused anyway

**Mendi Warrior**

New sprues for the warhounds

2 warhounds are on the sprues, 124 components in total, 62 per warhound (well not exactly 62 as there are multiple options for the weapons)

From left to right: 40, 48 and 36 components

Quite blurry but it seems there is one of each weapon type per warhound, so that would be 8 in total (2 x inferno guns, 2 x Plasma Blastgun, 2 x Turbo Laser Destructor, 2 x Vulcan Mega-Bolter)

**Thargrim**

The sprue contents look impressive, quite so. Still irked the images i've seen they still have the notch in the nose of the warhound and the two teeth. It's an alteration to a design that's been around for a long time, and i'm having a difficult time adjusting to it, I just prefer the more minimal look.

**Strg Alt**

Mendi Warrior wrote:
New sprues for the warhounds

2 warhounds are on the sprues, 124 components in total, 62 per warhound

From left to right: 40, 48 and 36 components

Quite blurry but it seems there is one of each weapon type per warhound, so that would be 8 in total (2 x inferno guns, 2 x Plasma Blastgun, 2 x Turbo Laser Destructor, 2 x Vulcan Mega-Bolter)

Inferno Guns were only useful to combat infantry. I hope GW knows this and releases infantry for AT in January 2019.

**Mendi Warrior**

From Daemons-at-work on FB according to a post elsewhere on the net

**Yodhrin**

Just got my Warlord, Knights, and rules box order in and I have to say, I'm completely blown away by the Knights sprue. The level of details on these are just insanity.

**JWBS**

Mendi Warrior wrote:
New sprues for the warhounds

2 warhounds are on the sprues, 124 components in total, 62 per warhound (well not exactly 62 as there are multiple options for the weapons)

From left to right: 40, 48 and 36 components

Quite blurry but it seems there is one of each weapon type per warhound, so that would be 8 in total (2 x inferno guns, 2 x Plasma Blastgun, 2 x Turbo Laser Destructor, 2 x Vulcan Mega-Bolter)

So these look like three full size spues. It has me wondering about the rrp (not that i expect anyone can predict a price given the vagaries of the GW pricing model). But that's the same number of sprues as the 40K Knight Crusader.. IIRC the AT warlord has 3 sprues too, but a lot less plastic than the 28mm Knight. I assume the Reavers will be sold singly, on two sprues. Still, curious about cost.

(Why does spellcheck redline the word "Sprues"? It's definitely a word. As is "Reavers".

**Mendi Warrior**

JWBS wrote:

So these look like three full size spues. It has me wondering about the rrp (not that i expect anyone can predict a price given the vagaries of the GW pricing model). But that's the same number of sprues as the 40K Knight Crusader.. IIRC the AT warlord has 3 sprues too, but a lot less plastic than the 28mm Knight. I assume the Reavers will be sold singly, on two sprues. Still, curious about cost.

(Why does spellcheck redline the word "Sprues"? It's definitely a word. As is "Reavers".

The Reaver will be sold individually on three sprues, they have been shown a while ago at Warhammer Fest.

My guess is £40-45 for the warhounds (I hope they won't be more), and £50-55 for the Reaver.

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Official pics

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**GlynG**

Could someone there confirm the base size for the Warhound please? I'm guessing 60 or 80mm round?

I want to order custom bases for all my titan legion ASAP (going for 1.5mm high laser cut acrylic to match my other Epic models) and not knowing the Warhound size is holding me back.

**changemod**

GlynG wrote:
Could someone there confirm the base size for the Warhound please? I'm guessing 60 or 80mm round?

I want to order custom bases for all my titan legion ASAP (going for 1.5mm high laser cut acrylic to match my other Epic models) and not knowing the Warhound size is holding me back.

Those are definitely 60’s, they even have the age of mold related flaws of a 60mm base visible in the unpainted warhound pic.

**tneva82**

Somehow those warhounds appeal me MORE than the warlord...Oh dear if epic ever gets rereleased it's going to be expensive.

**GlynG**

Thanks for the base confirmation changemod!

tneva82 wrote:
Somehow those warhounds appeal me MORE than the warlord...Oh dear if epic ever gets rereleased it's going to be expensive.

Me too actually, it's my favourite of the 3

Epic is still alive and supported by a loyal fanbase currently actually (there's 11 Epic tournaments around the UK this year). I'm aiming to build a titan legion from the AT models to use at Epic tournaments (I initially plan to use a list of 1 Warlord, 1 Reaver and 5 Warhounds, though I like the 2 Warlords and 2 Reavers army build too). I'm hoping we might see some new players give Epic a try when they realise their AT collection can also be used to play Epic (the models and bases are larger but the rules and tournament conventions are relaxed about such and it's a trade off in games terms).

**BrianDavion**

tneva82 wrote:
Somehow those warhounds appeal me MORE than the warlord...Oh dear if epic ever gets rereleased it's going to be expensive.

absolutely beautiful minis yeah.

**schoon**

After perusing the rulebook last night, I am heartened that the rule book explicitly mentions expansions to both the rules and miniature ranges.

Meaning that they are at least planned and/or in development

...and yes, the Warhounds are beautiful miniatures. I see myself doing Reaver/Warhound maniples.

**BrianDavion**

on another note, I'm thinking of going with the Legio Crucius for my titans

the black and white would normally have me a touch concerned but I'm thinking of painting the plates before I attach them anyway so can prime the white bits a nice light grey primer I have.

I expect if they ever get Legio rules it'll have something to do with better plasma control or something.

**ElvisJuice**

So, fellow princeps, can anyone answer me this - is there benefit to kitting a Knight out with 2 of the same weapon (such as 2 chainswords)? In the rules it says

"Instead of attacking with each Knight individually, make an attack with each different weapon in turn. For each weapon, multiply the Dice characteristic by the number of Knights in the Banner that are equipped with that weapon, and which are within range and line of sight of the target"

I'm taking that to mean if you had 3 knights with 2 chainswords each you'd still only be making 3 attacks, because it's about the number of knights equipped with the weapon, not the number of that weapon carried by the banner... Make sense to anyone else?

It's a bit of a pisser as I really want to equip some knights with 2 ranged weapons, and I'm going to end up with some that are decidedly derp (or just not used) if I go that way since the kit doesn't support that. I guess I could chop them up as wrecks to adorn scenery / to become objective markers.

**Mr_Rose**

GlynG wrote:
Could someone there confirm the base size for the Warhound please? I'm guessing 60 or 80mm round?

I want to order custom bases for all my titan legion ASAP (going for 1.5mm high laser cut acrylic to match my other Epic models) and not knowing the Warhound size is holding me back.

Warhounds will be on 80mm round bases, unless someone screwed up big time; the smallest turning/corridor template in the rules pack is 80mm wide and, I just checked, fits an 80mm base much better than a 60mm one.

**Randomavatar**

GlynG wrote:
Could someone there confirm the base size for the Warhound please? I'm guessing 60 or 80mm round?

I want to order custom bases for all my titan legion ASAP (going for 1.5mm high laser cut acrylic to match my other Epic models) and not knowing the Warhound size is holding me back.

The warhound bases are 80mm