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How useful is the chainsword when any (individual) unit is equipped with it? Such as company or platoon commanders. The main reason I am asking is because the chainsword, as most people will agree, is probably one of the most bad-ass looking weapons in the game. And in my experience, really cool looking weapons happen to be either mediocre or not that good.

I believe that if you look in your 40k rulebook index and find the page chainsword is on, it says that a chainsword is just a normal close combat weapon. I also believe, but am not totally sure, that in older editions the chainsword was a bit more awesome. If im wrong im sure people will let you, and me, know.

forruner_mercy wrote:How useful is the chainsword when any (individual) unit is equipped with it? Such as company or platoon commanders. The main reason I am asking is because the chainsword, as most people will agree, is probably one of the most bad-ass looking weapons in the game. And in my experience, really cool looking weapons happen to be either mediocre or not that good.

A chainsword, as far as the rules concerned, is the same as holding a rock.

Well, I dont have the codex or the rulebook ATM.

The chainsword is as good as a knife, which is as good as an axe, which is as good as a rock, which is as good as a rock, which is as good as a fist, which is as good as a arm stump, which is as good as a table, which is as good as a lamp, which is as good as a foot, which is as good as a bin, which is as good as etc etc...

And it all depends on how strong the wielder is.

40k basic ccws have a bit of a problem.

Jatyu wrote:The chainsword is as good as a knife, which is as good as an axe, which is as good as a rock, which is as good as a rock, which is as good as a fist, which is as good as a arm stump, which is as good as a table, which is as good as a lamp, which is as good as a foot, which is as good as a bin, which is as good as etc etc...

And it all depends on how strong the wielder is.

40k basic ccws have a bit of a problem.

Stop complaining when I parry your chainsword with my rock

Or I'll get out my Power2x4 (ignores armour saves (what? Its a power weapon))

forruner_mercy wrote:How useful is the chainsword when any (individual) unit is equipped with it? Such as company or platoon commanders. The main reason I am asking is because the chainsword, as most people will agree, is probably one of the most bad-ass looking weapons in the game. And in my experience, really cool looking weapons happen to be either mediocre or not that good.

Ah, you must be new to 40k.

It is probably the dream of everyone that chainswords are terrifying weapons capable of rending through flesh and armor with ease. It is probably the dream of every gamer, that chainswords have awesome rules which correlates with the potent symbol they have in the 41st Millennium.

But alas, it is not the case. Having a chainsword in the 41st Millennium is apparently the same thing as having a toothbrush, or a candle stick, or a wet fish that can be used to slap people with.

By all accounts, chainswords should be rending weapons. But, in gameplay they are simply really cool looking cardboard cutouts with tinfoil teeth and it's the wielder's fists that are doing the actual damage.

Project2501 wrote:By all accounts, chainswords should be rending weapons. But, in gameplay they are simply really cool looking cardboard cutouts with tinfoil teeth and it's the wielder's fists that are doing the actual damage.

? I dunno about that one...

Jihallah wrote:

Project2501 wrote:By all accounts, chainswords should be rending weapons. But, in gameplay they are simply really cool looking cardboard cutouts with tinfoil teeth and it's the wielder's fists that are doing the actual damage.

? I dunno about that one...

? dunno what is so confusing about it. Matches the chainswords description and model to a 'T'.

Technically speaking you can replace every bayonet that guardsmen have and replace them with a chainswords. Both are simply a CCW in 5th edition, and doing so is 100% OK as WYSIWYG.

Project2501 wrote:

Jihallah wrote:

Project2501 wrote:By all accounts, chainswords should be rending weapons. But, in gameplay they are simply really cool looking cardboard cutouts with tinfoil teeth and it's the wielder's fists that are doing the actual damage.

? I dunno about that one...

? dunno what is so confusing about it. Matches the chainswords description and model to a 'T'.

I still have problems seeing a space marine rending a dreadnought down with a chainsword

Jihallah wrote:

Project2501 wrote:

Jihallah wrote:

Project2501 wrote:By all accounts, chainswords should be rending weapons. But, in gameplay they are simply really cool looking cardboard cutouts with tinfoil teeth and it's the wielder's fists that are doing the actual damage.

? I dunno about that one...

? dunno what is so confusing about it. Matches the chainswords description and model to a 'T'.

I still have problems seeing a space marine rending a dreadnought down with a chainsword

Yeah i definately can't fathom a space marine, armed with all that training and battlefield experience along with their gear, figuring out how to cut the cables off of or know of/find a weakness in a foe a put a chainsword to it.



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Aren't eviscerators rending? Aren't eviscerators essentially 2h chainswords?

Isn't Gabriel Seth's chainsword rending? Isn't Seth's chainsword just 2h?

It's not some sort of crazy off the wall correlation between what the fluff of a chainsword is and what rending entails.

Project2501 wrote:

Jihallah wrote:

Project2501 wrote:

Jihallah wrote:

Project2501 wrote:By all accounts, chainswords should be rending weapons. But, in gameplay they are simply really cool looking cardboard cutouts with tinfoil teeth and it's the wielder's fists that are doing the actual damage.

? I dunno about that one...

? dunno what is so confusing about it. Matches the chainswords description and model to a 'T'.

I still have problems seeing a space marine rending a dreadnought down with a chainsword

Yeah i definately can't fathom a space marine, armed with all that training and battlefield experience along with their gear, figuring out how to cut the cables off of or know of/find a weakness in a foe a put a chainsword to it.



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Aren't eviscerators rending? Aren't eviscerators essentially 2h chainswords?

Isn't Gabriel Seth's chainsword rending? Isn't Seth's chainsword just 2h?

It's not some sort of crazy off the wall correlation between what the fluff of a chainsword is and what rending entails.

Yeah I still have a problem with chainswords taking down dreadnoughts and powerweapons pinging off. I'm pretty sure a powerweapon would cut a cable easier than a chainsword.

Space Marines should come with the USR Rending. That would fix it. Yep.

DarkHound wrote:Space Marines should come with the USR Rending. That would fix it. Yep.

I can fathom how a space marine, armed with all that training and battlefield experience along with their gear, would be know of/find a weakness in a foe to rend them to pieces. All MEQ's should have rending indeed, the fluff makes it obvious

On the subject of rending, how awesome is it when MotW rends dreads down? You've gotta feel like a man when you destroy an enemy walker with your bare hands and teeth.

Closest I've had to that is my Possessed rolling Rending against a MotF drop-pod list. My lanky, armored monsters swarming all over his bulky, armored monsters. I had a good game that day.

My favorite thing about possessed in DoW (the PC game) was the wet slapping noise they made when they fought in melee.

You know you just got bitchslapped when a traitor space marine possessed by a daemon hits you with a tentacle and it makes that wet slapping noise

Problem was: all the models looked exactly the same. They were boring looking at that.

You'd cream yourself if your possessed made that noise IRL (how a plastic figure makes that noise I have nfi, but you'd love it and don't deny it)

But yeah, that game seriously lacked diversity. Sometimes that's not a bad thing- I thought the uniformity of the necron's was good. Except that everything else is so damn uniform that it lost out on the powerful contrast.


Ahhhh DoW. You make me want to go back to when I worked at an internet cafe and everyone played that shenanigans. Good times

Seeing as how I run Nurgle Possessed I might wretch a little, but then I'd put them away and convert some Slaaneshi Possessed (always wanted to try them). That wet slapping sound has two vastly different meanings between the two.

As for LAN party games Halo 2, DotA, and Brood War take the cake.

DarkHound wrote:Seeing as how I run Nurgle Possessed I might wretch a little, but then I'd put them away and convert some Slaaneshi Possessed (always wanted to try them). That wet slapping sound has two vastly different meanings between the two.

As for LAN party games Halo 2, DotA, and Brood War take the cake.

I dry retched a little. my imagination.


Try playing Civ 4 or 5 (your preference) LAN with no background music, collaborate with someone to war someone into the dirt, THEN play this on the cafe's speakers at full blast just before you declare war.

That song lives in on in infamy around here as "the war song" on about the 5th game half the room starts going "Noooooo!" "oh damn its on!!" "not me, not meeeeeeeee!" the moment you put it on

Jihallah wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Space Marines should come with the USR Rending. That would fix it. Yep.

I can fathom how a space marine, armed with all that training and battlefield experience along with their gear, would be know of/find a weakness in a foe to rend them to pieces. All MEQ's should have rending indeed, the fluff makes it obvious

On the subject of rending, how awesome is it when MotW rends dreads down? You've gotta feel like a man when you destroy an enemy walker with your bare hands and teeth.

So you have a problem with how rending is portrayed in the rules, specifically the extra d3 for av pen even after the nerf to it in this edition.

Nothing to do with rending causing autowound in cc against non-vehicles.

I can agree with that, i would like it to instead cause a glancing hit against vehicles on a 6 instead. That's just me though, and seeing as how far off the topic we are now...

Oh, we've got a similar tradition. See, we've got this game called Phantom in Brood War. Everyone is allied, except one person is randomly chosen to get infinite resources. The Phantom is not announced, and only together can we hope to stand against him. Sometimes the games drag on, as building a force to smite all others will get you demolished before you could finish it.

Every so often it does get completed, though, consisting entirely of hundreds of Space Marines. All while screaming:

BATTLE BROTHERS!
SPACE MARINES TODAY THE ENEMY IS AT OUR DOOR
WE KNOW OUR DUTY AND WE WILL DO IT!

etc.

Project2501 wrote:

Jihallah wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Space Marines should come with the USR Rending. That would fix it. Yep.

I can fathom how a space marine, armed with all that training and battlefield experience along with their gear, would be know of/find a weakness in a foe to rend them to pieces. All MEQ's should have rending indeed, the fluff makes it obvious

On the subject of rending, how awesome is it when MotW rends dreads down? You've gotta feel like a man when you destroy an enemy walker with your bare hands and teeth.

So you have a problem with how rending is portrayed in the rules, specifically the extra d3 for av pen even after the nerf to it in this edition.

Nothing to do with rending causing autowound in cc against non-vehicles.

I can agree with that, i would like it to instead cause a glancing hit against vehicles on a 6 instead. That's just me though, and seeing as how far off the topic we are now...

I was more referring to how hardcore space wolves can get . He just hulks up and rips it apart!









Now, what you do is buy 2 cases of booze. Drink the first whilst playing a game you're all really bad at. Like, you suck. Play it online. Once your enraged and drunk enough, load up Rome:Total war. ALL of you, play barbarian nations. Load up on as many of your barbarian infantry and have a MASSIVE brawl in the center of the map.
The fun starts really when one guy starts to back up a bit/not get involved in the brawl, and then someone screams "GET 'IM!!!". that's when it gets hilarious

Should be able to re-roll wounds.

And add +1 Strength vs. vehicles.

I just want to know if it useful at all. For a typical platoon command squad, would the commander be best with a chainsword, powerfist, or powersword. Or whatever you can get with them.

For the purposes of this, the veterans in the squad have GL's.

forruner_mercy wrote:I just want to know if it useful at all. For a typical platoon command squad, would the commander be best with a chainsword, powerfist, or powersword. Or whatever you can get with them.
For the purposes of this, the veterans in the squad have GL's.

PCS don't have Vet's.

forruner_mercy wrote:Well, I dont have the codex or the rulebook ATM.

Just read the Gorram codex and think for yourself. Once you see the options available to you you should be able to make your own mind up or if you are still unsure then ask more specific questions (40K Tactics Posting guidelines - READ THIS FIRST). I don't mean to sound offensive but this is just silly.

Peace!

forruner_mercy wrote:I just want to know if it useful at all. For a typical platoon command squad, would the commander be best with a chainsword, powerfist, or powersword. Or whatever you can get with them.

For the purposes of this, the veterans in the squad have GL's.

None. Model him with either a rock, a power finger (you know the one) or a power 2x4.

Jihallah wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:How useful is the chainsword when any (individual) unit is equipped with it? Such as company or platoon commanders. The main reason I am asking is because the chainsword, as most people will agree, is probably one of the most bad-ass looking weapons in the game. And in my experience, really cool looking weapons happen to be either mediocre or not that good.

A chainsword, as far as the rules concerned, is the same as holding a rock.

I Lol'd, and thats a /Thread.