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What a wild and random collection of weapons. I'll probably get two of them, but the way they're set out and the included choices are somewhat baffling.

I cannot imagine a world where you need two Nightshade toxin thingies, each in a different pose, but not a shock whip that goes on someone other than the leader mini. And did we need 3 Hand Flamers per set? Especially when there are no Bolt Pistols or Bolters included? Some other combi-weapons would'a been nice.

At least the Escher weapon list now includes the Stubgun by default, instantly making a few of my minis legal to include from the word go again.

What we've seen of the other two Gangs look pretty cool. Hopefully they limit themselves to 2 sets per other gang.

Yeah... those sets are sub-par for me. First they overlap like crazy so basically they are trying to entice you to buy one of each to pretty much just get 1-2 special weapons and then a bunch of duplicates. Not exactly enticing. Next the mix just seems odd.

To me, would have been WAY better to do a pistols pack, a rifles pack, a special weapons pack and a heavy weapons pack. At the very least... If I'm really dreaming simply an a la carte menu and not pre-packed would have been even better.

At this point I have no desire to be painting any more eschers anyways so not that big a deal, but, putting my feedback in here anyways in hopes of an improvement on subsequent releases.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
To me, would have been WAY better to do a pistols pack, a rifles pack, a special weapons pack and a heavy weapons pack. At the very least... If I'm really dreaming simply an a la carte menu and not pre-packed would have been even better.

Pistols/HTH Pack, Rifles Pack, Special/Heavy Weapon pack.

It'd make far more sense, and we wouldn't end up with eight Hand Flamers after buying all 3 packs.

Neh I don't think so. If you don't plan on spamming one weapon then the breakdown of each pack is perfect.

It gives you the scope to avoid having groups where every gang has the exact same poses with the same weapons. Yes you might not run two chem throwers in your gang (but now if you want to you can have 2 unique poses!) but it means if player a and player b opt to have one in their gang, their models can look really differently now.

Plus if you have a heavy weapon pack of 2 heavy stubber poses, a chem thrower, etc etc then folk would moan that they only want one heavy stubber so why do they have to spend £16 buying 6 weapons?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
To me, would have been WAY better to do a pistols pack, a rifles pack, a special weapons pack and a heavy weapons pack. At the very least... If I'm really dreaming simply an a la carte menu and not pre-packed would have been even better.

Pistols/HTH Pack, Rifles Pack, Special/Heavy Weapon pack.

It'd make far more sense, and we wouldn't end up with eight Hand Flamers after buying all 3 packs.

You'd think this way would result in far more packs betting sold too. Odd decisions.

Rules wise; depending on how you interpret it (because FW have managed to once more make something unnecessarily obtuse), Juves can now access grenades and armour. Which is all to the good. Also, fighters can now take up to 3 Weapons + Grenades. Again... depending on interpretation.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
Also, fighters can now take up to 3 Weapons + Grenades.

Wasn't that always the case?

Kijamon wrote:
Neh I don't think so. If you don't plan on spamming one weapon then the breakdown of each pack is perfect.

It gives you the scope to avoid having groups where every gang has the exact same poses with the same weapons. Yes you might not run two chem throwers in your gang (but now if you want to you can have 2 unique poses!) but it means if player a and player b opt to have one in their gang, their models can look really differently now.

Plus if you have a heavy weapon pack of 2 heavy stubber poses, a chem thrower, etc etc then folk would moan that they only want one heavy stubber so why do they have to spend £16 buying 6 weapons?

Also, this chem-thrower is held in the other hand from the one on the sprue. That's why it's there. I imagine most people will only want a single pack - depending if you want the heavy stubber in a firing or at ease pose, or exactly which special weapon you want for the leader.


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Vorian wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
To me, would have been WAY better to do a pistols pack, a rifles pack, a special weapons pack and a heavy weapons pack. At the very least... If I'm really dreaming simply an a la carte menu and not pre-packed would have been even better.

Pistols/HTH Pack, Rifles Pack, Special/Heavy Weapon pack.

It'd make far more sense, and we wouldn't end up with eight Hand Flamers after buying all 3 packs.

You'd think this way would result in far more packs betting sold too. Odd decisions.

Go back through this thread and there's people moaning about that option, too. You can't please everyone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
Also, fighters can now take up to 3 Weapons + Grenades.

Wasn't that always the case?

Depends if you thought Grenades were 'Weapons' or not. Obviously have a weapon profile. Wasn't made explicitly clear either way that I could find. This update both helps clarify and makes it just as vague at the same time. It's quite a feat.

Oh yeah, people would complain no matter what. I just think the lumping them together in weapon types would have made them more money.

I would (will, who am I kidding?) only ever get one of these - but I probably would have got 3 of the different types. I can't be that atypical.

If they were packed by weapon type you would essentially need to buy all three packs to get a good selection of weapons. No thanks. This way I can buy just 1 pack and have basically all I need.

Do you not see how the packs could be cheaper if they had, say, 4 guns each only? Then you could buy more or less exactly what you want for around the same price. This isn't 40k, I am adding at most 5-10 models to my existing gang. I don't need a pack with every weapon available, I need a pack that lets me build what I want in a single shot. Or, several cheaper, smaller, specific packs that let me get the same result.

The position that 'I like less options because it just so happens to suit me personally' does not make the rest of us whiners. It just makes you lucky you got what you were looking for, and given the snark, I am pretty sure you would be 'whining' if you didn't like the specific of the offering...

GW have put out a PDF with the Sump Dogs.

It's on the latest community update.

Interesting, hopefully the costs are correct this time. I had the impression the previous pre-made card didn't match the Underhive system nor the Gang War system.

I'm sort of confused... how come this pdf lists 9 weapon profiles (inclduing 2 ammo types), and all seem to be correct? Or am I missing something? The Escher weapon pdf on the other hand... one step back from the FAQ!

FEAR: Instead of making an Wound roll for an attack with the Fear trait, the opposing player makes
a Nerve test for the target, subtracting 2 from the result. If the test fails, the target is immediately
Broken and runs for cover.
FAQ v1

FEAR
Instead of making an Injury roll for an attack with the Fear trait, the opposing player makes a
Nerve test for the target, subtracting 2 from the result. If the test fails, the target is immediately
Broken and runs for cover.
Escher weapon list pdf

This pdf is obviously wrong about the Fear weapon trait. What to think about the Choke gas grenades cost then? Gang War 1's 40 credits or this pdf's 45 credits? Stiletto sword, 35 or 30 credits?

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JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
Also, fighters can now take up to 3 Weapons + Grenades.

Wasn't that always the case?

Depends if you thought Grenades were 'Weapons' or not. Obviously have a weapon profile. Wasn't made explicitly clear either way that I could find. This update both helps clarify and makes it just as vague at the same time. It's quite a feat.

If you look at the example fighters GW have made, grenades does not seem to take any weapon slots.

Nice weapons, I will definitely get a pack or two, mainly for the heavy stubber and the needle rifle.

But wow, someone really loves hand flamers. Would it have hurt to make one or two of them into bolt pistols or maybe grappling hooks?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Do you not see how the packs could be cheaper if they had, say, 4 guns each only? Then you could buy more or less exactly what you want for around the same price. This isn't 40k, I am adding at most 5-10 models to my existing gang. I don't need a pack with every weapon available, I need a pack that lets me build what I want in a single shot. Or, several cheaper, smaller, specific packs that let me get the same result.

The position that 'I like less options because it just so happens to suit me personally' does not make the rest of us whiners. It just makes you lucky you got what you were looking for, and given the snark, I am pretty sure you would be 'whining' if you didn't like the specific of the offering...

I'd hazard a guess at some sort of production restriction or sales forecasters similar that says they have to be a certain value and therefore a certain size, to be produced and sold. 16 quid is certainly at the extreme low end of what FW produces.

Sure, but for just a bit more I could get pretty much all those weapons in the GSC neophyte box. Minus chems and needle rifles. I dunno, hey if people like it that's great, but for me, it's the first necromunda release i didn't insta-buy.

Ordered weapon pack 2 right away, but only for the needle weapons and chainsaw. Think I will be listing the others for sale on FB groups, say £1.50 a pop (with any extra being an extra 60p or some such). I suspect a lot of people will do likewise, so might make getting exact weapon loadouts a little easier.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Do you not see how the packs could be cheaper if they had, say, 4 guns each only?

Honestly, I don't think FW wants to deal with a flood of tiny orders of a few guns. It's not efficient for them. The some-of-this-some-of-that approach to the packs reminds me of the power weapon packs for 30K. Like with the rules, it's FW...and FW is what it is. As others have said, the secondary market will fill the need here.

The new equipment list is great...finally I can have more of my metal Eschers be WYSIWYG right off the bat. I wish it had been that way in the first place. I understand why it wasn't, but there's a little more rules dynamism going on with NM than I'd like.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Do you not see how the packs could be cheaper if they had, say, 4 guns each only?

No, we do not see, seeing FW five weapon packs cost almost same amount:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Legion-Multi-Melta-Set
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Legion-Lascannon-Set

Though I have to echo what others said, I don't like the Necromunda upgrades. Way too tribal and primitive, with pest skulls and , not enough industrial themes. Pass.

You guys are right. Even the bolt pistol packs are 13 pounds. As you say, I will be happy to raid the bitz-box for these, the only thing I don't already have is needle rifles. I think if the weapon packs had a lot more hard to get weapons otherwise it would be a lot more tempting. Emphasise needle, shotguns, chems and stubbers, ease off on the flamers and plasma.

Bring on the Cawdors!

Wasn't hand flamer quite hard to get? Was raiding the bitz box a few years back for Necromunda, only one I found was the old one from the original Necromunda plastic weapons sprue.

 Irbis wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Do you not see how the packs could be cheaper if they had, say, 4 guns each only?

No, we do not see, seeing FW five weapon packs cost almost same amount:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Legion-Multi-Melta-Set
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Legion-Lascannon-Set

Though I have to echo what others said, I don't like the Necromunda upgrades. Way too tribal and primitive, with pest skulls and , not enough industrial themes. Pass.

Given that is the Escher theme, it would be a little odd if their upgrades didn't have that too

Baxx wrote:
Wasn't hand flamer quite hard to get? Was raiding the bitz box a few years back for Necromunda, only one I found was the old one from the original Necromunda plastic weapons sprue.

Only ones i can think of are Blood angles and the pewter ones on SoB

there may be other kits or the old 2nd edition weapon sprue

Baxx wrote:
Wasn't hand flamer quite hard to get? Was raiding the bitz box a few years back for Necromunda, only one I found was the old one from the original Necromunda plastic weapons sprue.

There's a good number from the multipart Genestealer Cult units, 5 in the Acolyte set alone.

Ahh ok nevermind then, been out of touch for too long.

I finally bought Necromunda today, and I’ll probably pick up one of the weapon sets for the Escher - I like them more when there’s a bit more variety.

warl0rdb0b wrote:

Baxx wrote:
Wasn't hand flamer quite hard to get? Was raiding the bitz box a few years back for Necromunda, only one I found was the old one from the original Necromunda plastic weapons sprue.

There's a good number from the multipart Genestealer Cult units, 5 in the Acolyte set alone.

Yup, the GSC infantry boxes are absolute treasure troves, especially the acolyte box. Almost every single gun in the escher set is in there, plus autos, autopistols, shotguns of multiple varieties, grenade launchers, webber, bolt pistol and I'm probably forgetting a bunch of stuff on top of it. Only things not in the GSC set that is in the escher sets? ChemSynth and Needle Rifle... It's a pretty awesome pick-up box for parts, and not to mention you get a necromunda gang out of it too

Yeah, GSC are great for parts, as long as you can shave a few claws off the gun grips.

Anyway the packs are still better than what I expected (las weapons pack, auto weapons pack, etc) but is anyone else thinking these are the same digital arm sculpts as the plastic sprue just with the gun swapped out? All the poses seem to be repeated from the box and also repeat in every pack with different guns. Feels lazy as hell.

 Desubot wrote:

Baxx wrote:
Wasn't hand flamer quite hard to get? Was raiding the bitz box a few years back for Necromunda, only one I found was the old one from the original Necromunda plastic weapons sprue.

Only ones i can think of are Blood angles and the pewter ones on SoB

there may be other kits or the old 2nd edition weapon sprue

I've got a bunch of super old plastic ones from somewhere that I got for 25 cents each out of the FLGS bitzbox along with the old brick shaped bolters and some plastic laspistols that look kind of like buck rodgers rayguns. I don't know when/where they came from before that, but the laspistols look like the ones that Mordian sergeants carry but plastic, so I'm guessing it was 2nd / 3rd edition era stuff.