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hey there dakatites, i'm new to the dark side, i usually play kantor marines but i'm liking the new dark eldar. Anyways heres a Lelith list that i thought up, not too sure if its effective or not. C&C would be appreciated please

HQ:
Lelith Hesperax xx pts

Haemonculus with Liquifier gun and Casket of flensing 70 pts
Haemonculus with Liquifire gun and Archangel of pain 75 pts

Troops:

9 Wraks, raider with flickerfield 160 pts

9 wraks, raider with flickerfield 160 pts

10 wyches, 2x hydra gauntlets, hekatrix with Agoniser and Blast pistol, raider with flickerfield 235 pts

10 Wyches, 2x Hydra gauntlets, hekatrix with venom Blade and Blast pistol, raider with flickerfield 220 pts

Elite:

9 Hekatrix blood brides, 2x razorflails, hydra gauntlets, Haywire grenades, Syren with Agoniser and blast pistol, Raider with Flickerfield 280 pts

Heavy

Ravager with flickerfield and Night shields 125 pts

Ravager with flickerfield and Night shields 125 pts

Talos Pain Engine with Chainflails and extra close combat weapon 125 points

Total 1750 pts

lelith will go with the bloodbrides and the 2 haemonculi will go with the wraks. I'm sure this would probably not work against most opponents but i'm a Dark Eldar noob and not too sure how it will work, It looks good on paper but on tabletop i have no idea, but thats what the dakka community is for, to feed me with pain to succeed with eradicating the imperium.

The talos is not coming in through a WWP, so he will be footslogging it. Give him a haywire blaster so he can disable enemy vehicles.

If I had 10 wyches and 10 wracks, and a haemy to give to 1. I would give the haemie's pain token to wyches because wracks already start with a pain token. Although wracks would get furious charge, and that extra strength helps by giving them more rerolls. The wyches would be very vulnerable without the pain token. If their transport explodes you can expect to loose a few.

The wracks also could be using liquifiers. For AP love. You could find the poins from removing the blast pistol from the hexatrix. You will more often than not want to have them run. Get them into cc.

I'm fairly certain that you don't need to put the Haemonculi in the same unit.
I might be wrong, but it's been my overall impression from DE articles that it's very possible to put one Haemonculus with the Wyches and the other with the Wracks.
My bad... forgot you had two units of each.

Hello, and welcome to Commoragh!

Well, you dont *need* to put the Haemo with the Wracks, but it is very beneficial for the wyches to be with a haemo, that way they don't get shot to bits.

I don't like Wracks very much, but if that is the troop choice you want to run be my.guest . Be sure to give them Liquifers, and you don't even need to get out of your little boat. (Remember you can shoot the flame template from anywhere on the boat, even the prow!

I don't put my Haemos with anything but Liquifers, but if you would like, I would rate the Shattershard then Animus on my top two list for Arcane items.

I would suggest to drop bloodbrides for some trueborn with blasters. If you get 4 of them, give them all blasters, and stick them in a Venom with two cannons, they are nasty. You should be able to get two squads if you drop the brides and cut down the points on your Haemos (Each should be around 65).

Lastly, I would suggest a Ravager or Voidraven, Talos's look awesome but the only place they have is in a WWP list. Then take Nightshields off of Ravagers if you need extra points, they don't help very much.

Overall, I think your well on your way . You've got the Flickerfields down!

Thanks for the input guys
I'm not too sure wether to run Lelith tbh but what do you guys think? maybe Rakarth?

I like the trueborn in a venom idea revackey, i think i'll have to do that. Gonna redo my list now

Gorillawizard wrote:Thanks for the input guys
I'm not too sure wether to run Lelith tbh but what do you guys think? maybe Rakarth?

I like the trueborn in a venom idea revackey, i think i'll have to do that. Gonna redo my list now

Both Lileth and Urien aren't very good unfortunately. The more competitive HQ options are:

1. Haemonculus
2. Baron Sathonyx
3. Duke Sliscus
4. Archon
5. Asdrubael Vect

Of course you can use any of the others and still do well, but IMO, these are the top 5 choices.

@Gorechild, thanks for that input, No Drazhar, i thought he was good while reading his profile.

i had a look at your battle reports and they are rather good tbh, i'm liking the last battle against the marines 6-0 white wash
anyways ive rejigged the original post list totally to this:

HQ:

Haemonculus Ancient, Animus Vitae, Liquifier gun95 pts

Haemonculus, Shattershard, Liquifier gun 75 pts

haemonculus, Animus Vitae, Liquifier gun 65 pts

Troops:

9 wraks, Liquifier gun in a raider with flickerfields 170 pts

9 Kabalite warriors, shredder, sybrite with blast pistol and power weapon, raider with flickerfield 191 pts

9 wyches, hydra gauntles, hekatrix with blast pistol and venom blade, raider with flickerfield 200 pts

Elite:

4 kabalite trueborn, 4 blasters, venom with 2 splinter cannon 173 pts

4 kabalite trueborn, 4 blasters, venom with 2 splinter cannon 173 pts

fast attack:

5 scourages with 2 splinter cannon 130 pts

5 scourages with 2 splinter cannon 130 pts

heavy support:

Ravager with flickerfield 115 pts

Ravager with flickerfield 115 pts

Ravager with flickerfield 115 pts

1747 pts total

Any suggestions to make this list competitive? what should i drop/ Add etc etc... I don't have any models yet apart from Urien Rakarth just cos i wanted to paint him and put him in my cabinet. I pretty much want to get up and personal after blowing apart vehicles and have lost of pain thrown around.

Gorillawizard wrote:Any suggestions to make this list competitive? what should i drop/ Add etc etc... I don't have any models yet apart from Urien Rakarth just cos i wanted to paint him and put him in my cabinet. I pretty much want to get up and personal after blowing apart vehicles and have lost of pain thrown around.

I'm going with this as my bible - the goal is to make you more competitive and there are no unit restrictions. Check.
Also - welcome to the DE, we rule, you made a smart choice.

Gorillawizard wrote:Haemonculus Ancient, Animus Vitae, Liquifier gun95 pts

You don't have a better use for 30 points than this? He's using a template weapon, so BS gain is bleh. And he's running around with an Animus Vitae to gain pain tokens? Is this the one going in with the Wracks (the only Haemy it makes sense to make Ancient) and you think you need to get that 3rd pain token that quick, really? I'd take a Venom Blade first every time for a h2h Haemy, same cost, and soooo much better for what you're doing..

Haemonculus, Shattershard, Liquifier gun 75 pts

haemonculus, Animus Vitae, Liquifier gun 65 pts

Venom blade not animus, blah, blah, blah.

Troops:

9 wraks, Liquifier gun in a raider with flickerfields 170 pts

I see no reason not to go the extra step and bring an Acothyst into this party - they're an assault unit, right? At the very least, the Haemon leading them should have some h2h weapon upgrades to up their oomph.

9 Kabalite warriors, shredder, sybrite with blast pistol and power weapon, raider with flickerfield 191 pts

Ummm...
Look at the cost of this unit. Now, look at the cost of the Wych unit below us. Why take a shooting unit and try to make it an assault unit when you can buy an assault unit for the same price? Warriors can be assaulty, but ever since Wyches were made Troops there's really almost no reason to muck around with that. I'd, frankly, take another unit of Wracks or Wyches rather than dorking around trying to make Warriors assaulty.

9 wyches, hydra gauntles, hekatrix with blast pistol and venom blade, raider with flickerfield 200 pts

I'm against the blast pistol on Wyches unless you really just have excess points (and at 1750 there's no reason for you to have excess points). Once you drop the blast pistol you can switch the Venom Blade to an Agoniser, which is a superior option all around. The squad will need tools to help mulch MEQ, not GEQ. If you're fielding a big squad I'd probably take some Haywire grenades on them as well to increase their functionality in assault.

Elite:

4 kabalite trueborn, 4 blasters, venom with 2 splinter cannon 173 pts

4 kabalite trueborn, 4 blasters, venom with 2 splinter cannon 173 pts

Trueblasters are always a solid choice.

fast attack:

5 scourages with 2 splinter cannon 130 pts

5 scourages with 2 splinter cannon 130 pts

130 points, huh...yeah, that's...y'know, pretty cool what with them having some poison shots for 130 points.
You know what I field with 125 points?

5 Warriors - Blaster
Venom w. 2 Splinter Cannons.

It's a scoring unit, it has lots of poison shots at a huge range threat bubble, and it can help destroy tanks. Oh, it's also cheaper than Scourges. That looks like a win/win/win to me. Also, it will be good having 2 scoring units that aren't going to be leaping into assault right away.

heavy support:

Ravager with flickerfield 115 pts

Ravager with flickerfield 115 pts

Ravager with flickerfield 115 pts

1747 pts total

Ravtastic.

My thoughts,
Thor.

To be honest, I can NEVER see the use for an Animus Vitae.
Haemi needs to go into close combat to use
Haemi is not fleet so does not likely disembark with wyches, incubi, bloodbrides, (anything that cannot get and could use a second pain token)
Wracks, Grotes don't need a 3rd token so soon. Just don't get it.

Ahhhh i keep coming up with lists that look cool on paper, do double WWP lists work? 2 Haemonculus's with WWP? or archons?

HQ:
Haemonculus, WWP, Liquifier, Venom blade

Haemonculus, WWP, Liquifier, Venom blade

Troops:
10 Wraks

10 Wraks

10 Wyches, hekatrix, Agoniser

10 Wyches, hekatrix, agoniser

10 Wyches, Hekatrix Agoniser

Elite:

trueborn 4 blasters, venom 2 splinter cannon

trueborn 4 blasters, venom 2 splinter cannon

Fast:
4 Beastmasters, 2 khymare, clawed fiend, 2 razorwing flocks

Heavy:
Ravager, flickerfield

Ravager, flickerfield

talos pain engine, add CCW, chainflails, TL haywire blaster.

Or is this not particually competative and should i just stick with a revised list from what Thor665 advised?