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 IdentifyZero wrote:

So to make things clear, you're just making numbers up to support your opinion.

Got it.

Or, less obnoxiously: Theoretical numbers to support a hypothetical scenario.

You sure seem eager for every forum discussion to turn into e-combat.

Guys, let's base our arguments on fact and reason not slanging at each other.

Thank you.

What Kilkrazy said, please.

If I were to have to buy the rules and corrected cards, I would at the very least expect a serious discount from what it would cost me to do it myself.

As I said, I could see it costing me about $30 (depending on final page count- the current is 57 plus covers, I think) to print out the rulebook alone at Office Max, unless I get lucky and hear about a sale (usually half-price). I will already have to pay about 8 dollars for the Lights Out campaign if I want a physical copy, and would still be looking at getting replacement cards printed on top of that.

 Gomez wrote:
You sure seem eager for every forum discussion to turn into e-combat.

You're making excuses for why he should not receive the product he paid for. It's unsurprising that he's taking that personally.

What the feth is this thread even about any more?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What the feth is this thread even about any more?

Dunno, 'tis clogging up my exalted list with all this whining though...

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Gomez wrote:
You sure seem eager for every forum discussion to turn into e-combat.

You're making excuses for why he should not receive the product he paid for. It's unsurprising that he's taking that personally.

I'm pretty sure I've done nothing even remotely close to this, but hey - feel free to contradict me with some quotes.

What IZ did was enter the discussion by saying a.) Studio McVey released a product that amounted to garbage, b.) if Studio McVey didn't edit the rules and miniatures to his satisfaction and give him new versions it would be a "slap in the face", and c.) anyone with another opinion is an idiot/pansy/etc.

I personally like the Sedition Wars game and miniatures I received from Studio McVey. It's not perfect and I've enjoyed the games I've played up to this point. So I find it obnoxious and mildly offensive when people insinuate I'm stupid (or something similarly derogatory) for not agreeing with their point of view about it. Ergo, I tried to communicate the opposing viewpoint, which (IMO) amounts to a.) I like the product I received and am not offended by it, and b.) sometimes **** happens and I think it wise to try to be forgiving and understanding when it does.

Now, I happen to lean toward the position that SM should probably give a revised version of the rules to those of us who funded the SW game via Kickstarter - but I'm not going to lambaste the company and try to start internet fights with everyone who doesn't immediately agree with me (i.e. more or less what IZ has done).

95% agree, Gomez, except you forgot that d.) any suggestion of analogous knowledge is actually the disagreeing viewpoint spuriously claiming intimate knowledge of any and all related fields

 Gomez wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Gomez wrote:
You sure seem eager for every forum discussion to turn into e-combat.

You're making excuses for why he should not receive the product he paid for. It's unsurprising that he's taking that personally.

I'm pretty sure I've done nothing even remotely close to this, but hey - feel free to contradict me with some quotes.

What IZ did was enter the discussion by saying a.) Studio McVey released a product that amounted to garbage, b.) if Studio McVey didn't edit the rules and miniatures to his satisfaction and give him new versions it would be a "slap in the face", and c.) anyone with another opinion is an idiot/pansy/etc.

I personally like the Sedition Wars game and miniatures I received from Studio McVey. It's not perfect and I've enjoyed the games I've played up to this point. So I find it obnoxious and mildly offensive when people insinuate I'm stupid (or something similarly derogatory) for not agreeing with their point of view about it. Ergo, I tried to communicate the opposing viewpoint, which (IMO) amounts to a.) I like the product I received and am not offended by it, and b.) sometimes **** happens and I think it wise to try to be forgiving and understanding when it does.

Now, I happen to lean toward the position that SM should probably give a revised version of the rules to those of us who funded the SW game via Kickstarter - but I'm not going to lambaste the company and try to start internet fights with everyone who doesn't immediately agree with me (i.e. more or less what IZ has done).

This is the very definition of a winner right here.

Starting fights with people who want to get the product they paid for and then accuses those people of being ‘e-combatants’ and attack anyone who doesn’t seem to be on your side and then accuse someone else of doing this exact thing, huh. Pot calling the kettle black much?

So instead of being upset with a company who failed to deliver the quality product, you are picking a fight with a disgruntled customer of that company and attacking anyone who feels the same way.

You are the aggressor here, a new user who decided to jump in and play White Knight to Studio McVey for reasons unknown; if I had to guess probably because this is the only source of conflict that you can find.

Despite now changing your opinion, you’re still trying to continue to pick a fight with me while ignoring what is going on. Now you’ve changed your position to lean towards they should probably give us the revised rules.

Seriously, give it up, you’re simultaneously trying and failing to attack me while already having conceded to my viewpoint; you lost.

P.S. Nobody has seen you prove anything with quotes, yet you ask others to. You are the one who rode in on the high horse on the attack, maybe you should be proving your point. Oh wait, you've already conceded your point.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

This is the very definition of a winner right here.

Starting fights with people who want to get the product they paid for and then accuses those people of being ‘e-combatants’ and attack anyone who doesn’t seem to be on your side and then accuse someone else of doing this exact thing, huh. Pot calling the kettle black much?

So instead of being upset with a company who failed to deliver the quality product, you are picking a fight with a disgruntled customer of that company and attacking anyone who feels the same way.

You are the aggressor here, a new user who decided to jump in and play White Knight to Studio McVey for reasons unknown; if I had to guess probably because this is the only source of conflict that you can find.

Despite now changing your opinion, you’re still trying to continue to pick a fight with me while ignoring what is going on. Now you’ve changed your position to lean towards they should probably give us the revised rules.

Seriously, give it up, you’re simultaneously trying and failing to attack me while already having conceded to my viewpoint; you lost.

P.S. Nobody has seen you prove anything with quotes, yet you ask others to. You are the one who rode in on the high horse on the attack, maybe you should be proving your point. Oh wait, you've already conceded your point.

Hey, man, I'm out. I've already spent more time and energy than I should have trying to communicate my viewpoint to you, and you're still twisting around what I've posted (Starting fights? Attacking? White Knight? Yeah, OK. Read what I actually wrote again). Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Just wanted to let you know I'm done. You can feel free to post whatever you want about Sedition Wars and Studio McVey knowing that I won't bother adding my two cents.

I'm pretty sure you'll take this as a sign that you've "won" (which, when you think about it, sort of verifies the "e-combat" thing I posted earlier), but I really have just said my piece and don't want to spend any more of my time on it.

Peace.

Glad that's over.

 Lt. Coldfire wrote:
Glad that's over.

It'll never be over. Identifyzero will internet crush all who don't agree with him and think they got what they paid for. Just wait for the next innocent person to take Studio McVey's side......

You probably just induced a self-fulfilling prophecy with that statement, Hulk. You're fired.

Pass the Popcorn............

Let's not get this thread locked, guys?

It's one of the best places to find (and debate) easy information updates about what's going on with the Kickstarter, at least until it's finally done with.

How big is the Thorn Heavy Industries Utility Carapace miniature, i checked the shop and it is 22pound for 1 figure???

I am interested in the game, the mini's look nice

Might be better to wait for the Revised-rulebook second printing.


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On the rulebook issues - you remember when the campaign was in progress, how we laughed and poked fun at the entitled opinions of the BGG crowd who were clamouring to see the rulebook?

Imagine if they had released the rulebook back then, rather than being coy - I imagine that many of the issues that have come to light later would have been picked up with the opportunity still available to correct them before the game went off to printing.

I trusted McVey at the time to, well, not make a dog's breakfast of it. With the miniature quality issues and as with a number of other KS producers, my confidence and trust with them on any pre-release product is gone.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
How big is the Thorn Heavy Industries Utility Carapace miniature, i checked the shop and it is 22pound for 1 figure???

I am interested in the game, the mini's look nice

Hello,

The THI suit is approximately the size of a space marine terminator. If you really want I can take a comparison shot between a THI suit and a vanguard trooper for you. It seems like they raised the prices if they are up to 22 pounds. :(

 IdentifyZero wrote:

Hello,

The THI suit is approximately the size of a space marine terminator. If you really want I can take a comparison shot between a THI suit and a vanguard trooper for you. It seems like they raised the prices if they are up to 22 pounds. :(

yep, check the link
http://studiomcvey.highwire.com/products/firebrand-rebellion-range?pagesize=40

would be nice if you can put up the photo

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

Hello,

The THI suit is approximately the size of a space marine terminator. If you really want I can take a comparison shot between a THI suit and a vanguard trooper for you. It seems like they raised the prices if they are up to 22 pounds. :(

yep, check the link
http://studiomcvey.highwire.com/products/firebrand-rebellion-range?pagesize=40

would be nice if you can put up the photo

Hey, I'll try to take a picture sometime today and post it here for you.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
How big is the Thorn Heavy Industries Utility Carapace miniature, i checked the shop and it is 22pound for 1 figure???

I am interested in the game, the mini's look nice

They've been £22 since launch as that's what I paid for mine. Though they are Resin. You can get metal versions of them from CMON's store for $25 (works out at about £16).

Really nice model. You get the option of having the visor up or down with a head to go with it. The only variants between the two are the different arm options. Everything else is the same.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
What Kilkrazy said, please.

If I were to have to buy the rules and corrected cards, I would at the very least expect a serious discount from what it would cost me to do it myself.

As I said, I could see it costing me about $30 (depending on final page count- the current is 57 plus covers, I think) to print out the rulebook alone at Office Max, unless I get lucky and hear about a sale (usually half-price). I will already have to pay about 8 dollars for the Lights Out campaign if I want a physical copy, and would still be looking at getting replacement cards printed on top of that.

Perhaps we'll get lucky and we'll get a copy of the new rules with part two of our shipment. Even if it's not super high quality, it'd be something.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

Hello,

The THI suit is approximately the size of a space marine terminator. If you really want I can take a comparison shot between a THI suit and a vanguard trooper for you. It seems like they raised the prices if they are up to 22 pounds. :(

yep, check the link
http://studiomcvey.highwire.com/products/firebrand-rebellion-range?pagesize=40

would be nice if you can put up the photo

Here you go. This is a THI suit beside a lights out vanguard and lights out strain. I will note that these are intended to go on 40mm bases, you can buy the detailed ones separately (couldn't find mine to use in the pic).



If you need any other comparisons just ask me, I've got all of the Sedition Wars line in metal/resin.

In terms of scale, this picture should also help:

That pic is awesome - thanks for sharing it!

 Alpharius wrote:
That pic is awesome - thanks for sharing it!

S'not mine. I just stumbled across it. It is impressive though and spurs my SW painting efforts...

I figured it wasn't yours, but I was still grateful to you for finding it and sharing it here, as otherwise I probably wouldn't have ever seen it!

Wait, so, is it a trick of the eye/perspective, or are the hazard suits and big mutant on a third base size?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Wait, so, is it a trick of the eye/perspective, or are the hazard suits and big mutant on a third base size?

No trick they were originally on 40mm bases they did away with that size and all the big stuff including the THI suits now goes on 50mm bases - it makes no difference gameplay wise as the they cover 4 squares either way.

 DaveC wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Wait, so, is it a trick of the eye/perspective, or are the hazard suits and big mutant on a third base size?

No trick they were originally on 40mm bases they did away with that size and all the big stuff including the THI suits now goes on 50mm bases - it makes no difference gameplay wise as the they cover 4 squares either way.

They didn't do away with that size. The THI suits and Jaganaught still go on 40mm bases. If you think otherwise, go check the Studio McVey webstore.