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so there is a debate goen on with a nerd friend of mine about jedi vs space marines.
his argument is that it would take 5 full chapters to take on the jedi on equal footing.
now im a fanboy my self and i love starwars.
but come on now 5 chapters...
i could do it with 2 companies of crimson fists on equal footing.
what say you?

1 SM < 1 Jedi
1 Squad of SM > 1 Jedi

Where does top-of-his-game Yoda fit into that equation, coolyo294?

coolyo294 wrote:1 SM < 1 Jedi
1 Squad of SM > 1 Jedi

i agree jedi are fast and nimble and heads up with one space marine, space marine would lose...
but in number i would have to go with the space marines.

i agree with coolio,1 squad>1 jedi
that is assuming it is just one of those normal jedi, and not yoda, or obiwan or DVADER or someone else sick.
Im assuming normal jedi vs normal marines

Since we don't know quite how jedi force powers work we don't know whether a Librarian would be their equal in power or not.
As it is the battle would be incredibly bloody but i'd say 2/3 chapters (full strength codex sixed) would be fair maybe another chapter or so depending on which time peroid.

dajobe wrote:i agree with coolio,1 squad>1 jedi
that is assuming it is just one of those normal jedi, and not yoda, or obiwan or DVADER or someone else sick.
Im assuming normal jedi vs normal marines

nope its all the jedi... no sith... just jedi...
on equal footing no space battles, just on the ground heads up annihilation. he says 5 full chapters... i say 2 to 3 companies max.

All the jedi throughout time?
What time peroid are we talking because at some points there were a lot...

before the rise of the empire and the clone wars

Look at this way...

Jedi can outmanover one Space Marine, but he wont die from 1 Lightsaber cut ( except for the head ).

Jedi will have hard time with bolter ( ammo that explodes on impact ).

I don't know if power sword can deflect light saber ( because of the magnetic field ).

I say that are pretty tied, except for psychic Space Marines. They just pop Jedi head and go on...

It will be more realistic to compare them against Grey Knights. They are after all elites like the Jedi.


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And did you friend count Black Templars against Jedi? ( 6000+ SM )

before the rise of the empire and the clone wars

Then Jedi, hands down. From the historical period of the Jedi Order, they were *vastly* more powerful than they are in the eras depicted in the film.

Sith War-era?

The SM Chapter(s) land, disembark from their drop-pods... and then die because the earth under their feet opens up and swallows them whole over a region several hundred meters in diameter.

Jedi Civil War era?

Half the Chapters turn on the other other half as the Jedi waves his hand and says "You are beset on all sides by enemies". Half the Space Marines shout "We are beset on all sides by our enemies!" and boltgun-fu then commences.

The survivors are then Compelled to swallow their own bolt-pistols.

... and all of this is just *one* Jedi required to accomplish this.

Multiple Jedi?

Well, shoot, in that case, a couple powerful telekine Jedi ensure that no bolt-gun round *ever* finds a target, a couple powerful mechanokinetic Jedi ensure that the Space Marines can't even *move* because their Power Armor just shut down, not to mention the fact that their boltguns won't even fire because the war-spirits within them have been sent to sleep. Add in a couple telepathic Jedi, and the Space Marines are swinging on each other because the First Company now realizes that Second, Third and Fourth Company are *actually* all members of the Alpha Legion, and not true Battle-Brothers at all!

And the Librarian? He gets Force-drained, and his psychic powers are, at best, a mere shadow of their former potency.

Toss in a couple Grey Jedi and you have Space Marines being lifted a few meters off the floor and strangulated, or getting a facefull of lightning bolts cast from an outstretched hand, or finding their very blood suddenly boiling them alive from within their veins. Do not mess with an angry Grey Jedi... Light-side, Dark-side, doesn't matter, the Force is the Force is the Force, and they will use it to its full potential to ruin your day.

I would like to see a Jedi survive a tactical squad firing bolters at him/her. Not Yoda or someone as awesome (although that would be cool). Add in a heavy bolter, a plasma gun and a storm bolter for the sergeant... minced Jedi meat. One on one the Jedi would win I think.

whitewolf0231 wrote:

dajobe wrote:i agree with coolio,1 squad>1 jedi
that is assuming it is just one of those normal jedi, and not yoda, or obiwan or DVADER or someone else sick.
Im assuming normal jedi vs normal marines

nope its all the jedi... no sith... just jedi...
on equal footing no space battles, just on the ground heads up annihilation. he says 5 full chapters... i say 2 to 3 companies max.

i had originally typed anakin, but didnt want to spell it wrong and look like a neeewb...looks like i did anyway, i do realise that DVader is not a jedi

gaovinni wrote:I would like to see a Jedi survive a tactical squad firing bolters at him/her. Not Yoda or someone as awesome (although that would be cool). Add in a heavy bolter, a plasma gun and a storm bolter for the sergeant... minced Jedi meat. One on one the Jedi would win I think.

Really not that hard for a telekinetic Jedi to simply will himself/herself to not be hit... or, if he or she is feeling saucy, deflecting the shots off with the lightsabre... or if he or she is particularly badass, simply holding a hand up to let everything bounce off that.

Really, a powerful Jedi is like an alpha-plus psyker... an enemy not to be under-estimated upon peril of death.

You have a point. Well it would still be fun to see that.

Psienesis wrote:

Really not that hard for a telekinetic Jedi to simply will himself/herself to not be hit... or, if he or she is feeling saucy, deflecting the shots off with the lightsabre... or if he or she is particularly badass, simply holding a hand up to let everything bounce off that.

Really, a powerful Jedi is like an alpha-plus psyker... an enemy not to be under-estimated upon peril of death.

The shots explode, and the Jedi gets peppered with shrapnel, distracting him long enough for another bolt to get through. Same with deflecting off the hand trick.

40k has people who can block shots, and 40k being 40k, the answer is usually 'switch to full auto'.

As individually powerful as a Jedi is, they aren't front line soldiers. One on one with a single Marine? Yeah the Jedi will win. Against a combat squad of Marines? I'm doubting it.

plus, jedi dont have "and they shall know no fear"!

Then don't bring a telekine Jedi, bring a telepath.

*Jedi hand wave* "This is not the heretic you're looking for..."

*Space Marines drool and nod* "This isn't the heretic we're looking for."

*Jedi hand wave* "You should shoot the man next to you in the face."

*SM, in unison*, "I should shoot the man next to me in the face." *they all shoot the Marine next to them in the face, leaving only one.*

*Buzz-hum... lightsabre comes out, Marine head comes off. Jedi gives witty one-liner, puts on blast-shield.*

you then forget that 2/3 of the marines made their saves, and played dead...and then SHOOT THE GAK OUTTA that jedi!

Or they don't... since there's no table-top equivalent of the Jedi, really... plus, I think this is a fluff-battle, not a rules-battle. There's no "save" to make.

Also... are we talking a single squad of Marines against a single Jedi?

Or ten Marines against ten Jedi? 100 vs 100? 1000 vs 1000?

A single Jedi of generally-average ability is more than enough for a single Space Marine on an open battlefield, though changing the theater of battle, as well as the numbers and prep-time and whether the Jedi are set up defensively or are assaulting the Marines' own defensive positions can radically change the outcome of the battle.

Against Grey Knights? Eh... this would be like saying "Ok, Jedi vs Space Marines... but the SM left their power armor and their bolters back home. Go!" The GK, I would argue, are all but immune to the effects of the Force, since the argument in this battle is that Force = Warp. Power weapons, likewise, probably deflect lightsabres, but likewise cannot destroy them. There are in-universe weapons in SW that are immune (or, at least, very highly resistant) to the destructive effects of a lightsabre.

So, yeah, the Jedi are fooked when fighting GK, at least without the support of their Rangers.

i was just trying to be a punk, i realise that you meant the marines died when shot in the face. lol

Psienesis wrote:Then don't bring a telekine Jedi, bring a telepath.

*Jedi hand wave* "This is not the heretic you're looking for..."

*Space Marines drool and nod* "This isn't the heretic we're looking for."

*Jedi hand wave* "You should shoot the man next to you in the face."

*SM, in unison*, "I should shoot the man next to me in the face." *they all shoot the Marine next to them in the face, leaving only one.*

*Buzz-hum... lightsabre comes out, Marine head comes off. Jedi gives witty one-liner, puts on blast-shield.*

Jedi mindtricks only work on the weak-minded. Space Marines are not weak-minded.

DIE FROM RAPID FIRE!

Yet another Star Wars fanboy vs. 40k fanboys...
I will get popcorn...

versus forums on dakka tend to be 40k fanboi vs. X fanboi. i love reading em though, people get so heated. Keep it up people!

BURN, JEDI, FOR COMPLICITY WITH XENOS!

Can't deflect bolter shells. Both can have swords that cut through anything.
Bolter marine> Jedi
Lass marine < Jedi

I think 1 jedi= about 1 tactical squad.

The force does a lot to even it out. There are many ways a jedi could stop him/herself from being killed by bolters.

1. Stopping the SM for from shooting (or just making them shoot each other) with mind control. SMs have never gone against any kind of influence like this so we don't know if they could resist it. They are very loyal to their cause but when it comes to free thinking the SMs aren't great.

2. Just move the bolters shots so they miss. You don't need to block them just alter the direction.

3.Make them explode. Being solid objects they can be moved by the force where lasers can't. While harder it would be possible to hit the bolts head on with the force and they would explode. This would particularly interesting if the bolts were still in the gun at the time.

They could detonate a bolt inside the boltgun.

I'd like to see that, honestly.

4M2A wrote:I think 1 jedi= about 1 tactical squad.

The force does a lot to even it out. There are many ways a jedi could stop him/herself from being killed by bolters.

1. Stopping the SM for from shooting (or just making them shoot each other) with mind control. SMs have never gone against any kind of influence like this so we don't know if they could resist it. They are very loyal to their cause but when it comes to free thinking the SMs aren't great.

Lash of Submission? SM's spend decades being trained to resist Chaos, and yet if they have no Psychic Hood wielders to hand then they have a 100% failure rate in resisting mind control by Slaaneshi practitioners. SMs have no specific training in resisting Jedi powers.