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So I know there are a lot of bogus units out there... which do you think is the least effective and why?

My vote is definitely The Space Pope: Aun'Va and his bodyguards. You've got this awkward close combat (sort of?) unit who is totally unsupportable (in the Tau codex) with a wheelchair ridden A'un who is a ticking time bomb for your entire army!! His benefits aren't beneficial to tactics the Tau are capable of achieving, and his negatives are some of (if not THE worst) in 40K!

So what's your vote, dakka dakka?

Chaos spawn. Just useless.

possessed chaos and penal legion, i do not like units that require different tactics based ona dice

abaddonsdrummer wrote:Chaos spawn. Just useless.

It's not what the chaos spawn IS it's what the chaos spawn WAS! idk about CSM, but in Codex: Chaos Daemons, turning an enemy unit into a spawn is awesome! poof! Now you're on my side!

Do you have to pay for Boon? Certain Chaos Daemons characters get it for free (namely Fateweaver) and as a result, I get decent usage out of my Chaos Spawn models.

abaddonsdrummer wrote:Chaos spawn. Just useless.

Actually, the best thing in the world if attained via Gift of Chaos.

Not the Wraithlord. Bye bye Mr Trygon. Calgar, no!

I think that Rippers are pathetic. 10 points, for a dribbly, weak base of thing with a few wounds attached. They don't even last long enough to spam.

The Whirlwind Tank from the SM codex.

idk about whirlwind they pretty good 4 80ish points and really good with incendiary missels for the imps and there peskey cover saves

Tyranid Pyrovore.would never waste my points on it.

This again?

I think everyone agrees that it's the space pope, there is no other model that actually costs points and makes your army WORSE then it would be without him.

Nuclear_Bomb wrote:Tyranid Pyrovore.would never waste my points on it.

Going to agree with this one, utterly awful

how about paraihs? 36 points, infantry models, one wound and toughness 4 with a 3+ save. not going to last very long. sure, they have awesome weapons, but if they ever do get into combat with pretty much anything that can attack back they are going to get hammered, becasue of initiative 3.

Soladrin wrote:This again?

I think everyone agrees that it's the space pope, there is no other model that actually costs points and makes your army WORSE then it would be without him.

Gonna toss Pariah into this category to. God bless them, they are gorgeous models and I love to run them, but they cost twice the points of already expensive warriors and don't add to the Phase Out count. What they bring is a warscythe, incredibly deadly yes, but they will get shot before combat and if, by some magic, they get to combat they will get cut to pieces before they can hit back

In case no one saw him being mentioned (Which they should have)

AUN'VA

Nothing spells awful choice to take than a 200pt handicap label which reads "Shoot me and win a prize!"

all down to three models.

Pyrovore is by far the worst unit in the whole game.
PAY 50 POINTS FOR A HEAVY FLAMER.

I still believe in Mandrakes being really bad, though.
"Oh look, an Elite-choice CC unit with no power weapons, a shooting attack that requires the destruction of a unit first and an awesome infiltration ability that gets no use considering we can't do anything to the unit we appear right in front of."

Fairfeldia wrote:possessed chaos and penal legion, i do not like units that require different tactics based ona dice

Possessed are unpredictable, but the tactics to use them are always the same. See guys, punch guys, punch more guys. Once in a while you get lucky and they have power weapons. If they just had rending and could take a power weapon/fist or something, they'd be so much more useful.

Penal Legion you can at least roll for before deployment. They're an okay harassment unit to outflank, wreak some havoc, and possibly grab an objective. There's far more useless choices in the IG codex alone, like techpriests.

There are few truly useless units in 40k, although a lot are too situational for their own good. Every time this thread comes up the general consensus is Aun'Va.

IG Conscripts. Just no point to them.

na whiteshield can be used, for example if you have a few spare points lying around, and 3 50 man units of them with chenkov in a game of apoc

i don't see whats wrong with the techpriest, yes they can be a bit clumsy and they are expensive, but it does essentially allow you to take a couple of heavy bolters and a melti melta whilst running around repairing vechiles

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
AUN'VA

Okay guys, pack it up, we're done here, move along!

Aun'Va.

There really is no unit so expensive that actually makes your army worse.

Like a few before me have said it is the Space Pope, no question. He makes your army worse and for 205pts I could have 3 piranhas and have points to spare. He is death on a wheelchair
Aun'Va

What about Nork? 110 points for a T3 model, who's supposed to protect a model that costs one tenth of his price? Not to mention he's shakey at best in close combat and at range.
Oh, and Mogul Kamir.

I'd write something from the Eldar codex here, but neither We-are-worse-than-conscripts Guardians nor Dead-if-we-do-dead-if-we-don't Spears are as bad as you can find in some of the other codexes. See Aun'Va and so on.

Another vote for the pope.

Aun'va! Nothing comes close.

Yeah. People mean 2 things by "X unit is terrible": usually it means that the unit is below the standard of 'good' or efficient units in the game - it can't compete with another unit in its codex (sentinels, completely outclassed by vendettas) or it is way too expensive for its abilities (pyrovore, among its other flaws) or it is just weak against the more common types of target (whirlwinds, mortars, etc).

Because people have extreme opinions on the internet, we get to hear things like "blood claws are crap" when what is meant is "blood claws are worse than grey hunters, I would take those instead". "Mortars are crap" instead of "mortars are only good against light infantry, and most armies don't even have any troops that fit that definition".

Aun'va is one of the only units in the game that are really, unequivocally, the second type of bad: TRUE BAD. As people have already said, you are paying points to make yourself worse. Plenty of people are playing warhammer today and their possessed marines are winning combats and doing a good job. Right now, some eldar player is taking 120+ pts of pathfinders off the table because his opponent has a whirlwind. No-one is playing warhammer right now and thinking "I'm glad I took Aun'va!"

The only other model I can think of who is similarly TRUE BAD is Mogul Kamir, for giving rough riders the Rage rule. Are there any others?


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Maybe, sort of, Pariahs, because you are making phase out easier to achieve with each model. But even they can hurt something in a perfect situation.

Can someone please give me a quick run-down why Aun'va is so rubbish? (I don't want a ctrl-c->ctrl-v, just an explanation) as I don't own (and probably never will own) a Tau dex and have never played against him probably because of the above hatred.

Leigen_Zero wrote:Can someone please give me a quick run-down why Aun'va is so rubbish? (I don't want a ctrl-c->ctrl-v, just an explanation) as I don't own (and probably never will own) a Tau dex and have never played against him probably because of the above hatred.

He costs 205 points, and gives any Tau units (not Kroot or Vespid, wo could actually use that bonus) with line of sight to him stubborn (which Tau don't need). If he dies, your entire army has to take a morale check. Oh, and he has 2 bodyguard who don't really do much and are supposed to be a CC unit, despite having a crap statline and no PW and Auri'va being WS1, S2 an I1. He's absolute .

Flashgitz.
25 points per model.
Dudes with awsome guns, BS 2.
Yeah.

Leigen_Zero wrote:Can someone please give me a quick run-down why Aun'va is so rubbish? (I don't want a ctrl-c->ctrl-v, just an explanation) as I don't own (and probably never will own) a Tau dex and have never played against him probably because of the above hatred.

His statline can be found on GW's website

He is (with his body guard) more expensive than the likes of Vulkan or Lysander. He can join no units (other than his body guard), has no ranged attack and no invul. save (though he gets a re-rollable cover-save) and will get insta-killed on S6 hits or higher. Literally the only thing he does for the army is make Tau (not Kroot, etc..) stubborn as long as they can see him (no hiding him in a Fish or some such).

Now, to "balance" that, he get's the "Ultimate Price of Failure" special rule: If he dies, all Tau (not Kroot, etc..) need to take a moral check. However, all units who have taken the test (Tau only, remember) afterwards gain PE and Furious Charge (fear the angry Firewarrior!).

Ninja'd Zweischneid. By half an hour.