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Far Seer is inquisitor, exarch is assassin, archon is? I can't imagine that it is a magus equivalent, but what else could it do?

Lynching Mekboy was a good choice. We can't really draw much from it as he was rather quiet. Plus it'll make it harder to establish any night kill patterns for the next few days.

Shas'o being innocent definitely shines some guilty light onto myself, Arheiner, and Scarper. Seeing as I know that I'm innocent, they're going to be my primary suspects for the time being. Maybe add Lord-Loss to that list as he too suspected shas'o.


To Shas'o, may you spirit find peace in the infinity circuit.

Farseer might have the role of the psyker and Exarch the role of the Inquisitor. Honestly we don't need to waste time on figuring out the roles of friendly characters unless we were the enemy. They should do what they are supposed to do, subtly guide their team mates to the right person to lynch. The psyker, protecting anyone who seems beneficial.

Archon is DE so obviously thats the one we do need to worry about. They already have the night kill ability as they're DE so I doubt they would be an assassin. No real idea here. Inquisitor would be overpowered and psyker fairly useless.

Chosing a quiet one in order to avoid suspicion and creating a pattern is creating a pattern in itself.
I doubt that much suspicion could be drawn from the first lynch, theres no real evidence to go by thus logically they would all be the DE. That would definitely be a fairly stupid idea to go with though.

At the moment though I'm still waiting for Vulkan's reason for why I shouldn't vote for him.

I do beleive I've said something about what the roles, might do...

Poor Shas'O.

I retain a little suspicion of Lord-Loss, but since my out and out attacks on him didn't make me the one killed last night I'll relax that.

It means it is slightly more likely that Lord-Loss IS Dark Kin, because an attack on me would have been suspicious, but there are bluffs within double bluffs, so it's impossible to guess.

I don't feel hugely bad about Mekboy, since he popped up, voted for me and then barely spoke. I imagine that means some suspicion will be aimed at me, so I need to find out whether this was an aim to cast suspicion on me or if it was, as others are saying, just an easy kill on a quiet person to avoid anything obvious.

I've not got much clue about how these games are played, but with regards to archon, maybe he gets a veto on who is killed when the Dark Kin discuss each night? Like he has final say so long as he lives?

My attention for the first part of today is on not_u... he claims he missed the deadline for voting, but what if this is a cover for something more sinister?

OOC: I watched the end of the Genestealer game and I saw links between the way Rusty played there and how he's playing here. It could just be his playing style, but it could not... I can't use it because it's OOC knowledge, but if you're evil again Rusty, we'll be waiting

Really me suspicious because of my forgetfulness? My vote was likely going to Vulkan anyway. What's really interesting is how determined you are that Lord Loss is actually the Dark Kin, while he just seems to be suspicious to me as well. What seems really suspicious is how you've seemingly tried to push people into voting for him with you.

Or would you rather have me join the others in killing a innocent that was seemingly trying to make a more fun setting with less grimdark for all.

like I said before:
Nil ann ach cleasai, agus tá an iomad measa aige air féin.

BishopGore wrote:Understandable, but Shas'O is taking a lot of heat for trying to enjoy himself and be involved.

Anyway, I'm not saying Shas'O isn't evil, but maybe there should be a little understanding is all I'm thinking.

Plus people should be picking on Lord-Loss more

You even said Vulkan was a little odd and you were keeping an eye on him as well. I find it strange you would move on without an explanation from him, but pressure one from others.

Besides if it was a cover I wouldn't recklessly call attention to it, would I?

BishopGore wrote:Poor Shas'O.

I retain a little suspicion of Lord-Loss, but since my out and out attacks on him didn't make me the one killed last night I'll relax that.

It means it is slightly more likely that Lord-Loss IS Dark Kin, because an attack on me would have been suspicious, but there are bluffs within double bluffs, so it's impossible to guess.

Either he purposefully avoided that, meaning he's a Dark Kin, or it wasn't taken into account, meaning he isn't. Either way, it's not particularily helpful.

I don't feel hugely bad about Mekboy, since he popped up, voted for me and then barely spoke. I imagine that means some suspicion will be aimed at me, so I need to find out whether this was an aim to cast suspicion on me or if it was, as others are saying, just an easy kill on a quiet person to avoid anything obvious.

I think it was done more the purpose of just killing off another body, I wouldn't personally have put too much on his death. He really didn't say enough for his death to mean anything. That said, it could have been a slight bit of revenge on your part, thinking no one would notice. But personally, I think that would be a rather foolish move for a Dark Kin to make so early in the game.

On the other hand, Shas'o innocence says truck-loads. (I mean, Wave Serpant-Loads)

I've not got much clue about how these games are played, but with regards to archon, maybe he gets a veto on who is killed when the Dark Kin discuss each night? Like he has final say so long as he lives?

No idea. BH, I'm not entirely sure what it is a Genestealer Magus does either. Never been one, y'see.

My attention for the first part of today is on not_u... he claims he missed the deadline for voting, but what if this is a cover for something more sinister?

Possible, but he's honestly not my main suspect at the moment.

OOC: I watched the end of the Genestealer game and I saw links between the way Rusty played there and how he's playing here. It could just be his playing style, but it could not... I can't use it because it's OOC knowledge, but if you're evil again Rusty, we'll be waiting

Again, I find it unlikely that Rusty be anti-town twice in two games. But it is a possibility. (BTW Rusty, you scummy xenos you, Good work on that)

Its a good choice to lynch him Rusty? Really? You almost sound.... proud of that. Plus you have a three paragraph post that is merely conjecture.

Vote: RustyKnight


Editted to bold. Also - Drk_O wouldn't know Thor's plans so statisticaly speaking, everythings hazy in my eyes.

n0t_u wrote:Besides if it was a cover I wouldn't recklessly call attention to it, would I?

That's true enough. Though by that logic I couldn't be the killer of Mekboy because I drew attention to the fact he had me pinned as the killer. Though that's probably a lot more obvious than you not voting.

Sorry, once again I'm starting off a Day phase by being loud and not thinking things through. I'm rarely sensible first thing in the morning, I get wound up and have to blurt. I'll work on that. (It's been 3 days I've had to stay silent on this thread and I've been REEEAALLY wanting to post!)

My suspicions for Lord-Loss remain, but I see nothing to be gained right now from further pushing him. I admit I was pushing for people to vote for him, clumsily and without any actual hope people would do so, but nevertheless. It was partly because I was almost certain Shas'O was not a Dark Kin and partly because he bugs me.

I plan to treat this new Day Phase as a new setting, looking at everyone again with hopefully fresh eyes, only towards the end adding in the events of yesterday. If that is a stupid plan then let me know, but I think a lot of things were flying around on Day 1 that could do with being washed clean for the beginning of Day 2.

You're voting already Ferrett? I don't think Rusty has been particularly suspect so far, besides his zealousness.

OOC: I'm never really awake until 10am-ish anyway anytime before that is too early to be thinking too much.

IC: Nothing wrong with racing out as fast as possible to vote, as long as it's simply putting pressure on someone. Maybe Rusty knows something we don't.

I don't really see anything wrong with that plan, just don't forget the other posts as they're used to prove patterns and your own points; only if you use them in their correct context though

Aw frig, poor Shas'o. I'm pretty sure if i ran through the day again I'd have voted the same way though - someone has to go on the first day, and he was definitely acting in a suspicious way.

I'll be paying close attention today, but I think I'll be a lot less trigger happy with voting - got my fingers burned, so to speak I'm still interested in what Vulkan has to say, though, I've heard from an unrelated previous game that quietness is a pretty good genestealer tactic!

Ok, so Ferrett may have powers to know something, or he might just be getting things off to a roaring start. Or it might be a scummy vote.

In any of the above 3 situations, bandwagoning the vote at this point would be seen as very bad. Therefore I guess it's best to discuss rather than get involved.

Ferrett, could you tell us what precisely you mean about Rusty being proud of the Shas'O kill?

Vulkan is quiet, in an insane kind of way. Though Mekboy was quiet too and he was just a regular Eldar like us.

It doesn't break any rules of this game to talk about another game. But if you don't want to break the rules in a game thats already over, then by all means, don't.

"Lynching Mekboy was a good choice. We can't really draw much from it as he was rather quiet. Plus it'll make it harder to establish any night kill patterns for the next few days."

Does this not sound like grandstanding to you? It perks my radar.

Then to go further.

"Shas'o being innocent definitely shines some guilty light onto myself, Arheiner, and Scarper."

This seems to be very 'Na na na na na you can't catch me.'

No more than mine and not_u's comments regarding our own innocence over potentially suspect things.

Interesting thoughts though.

You two did? That's... Do you have recordings? (OOC: Page numbers/links?)

Did you mean on this page or the one before it?
I don't quite see the relation to it, I was simply stating that I over estimated the remaining time and thus missed the chance to vote after inspecting everyone's comments for the longest amount of time. Then after Bishop said it seemed scummy, I replied that it would have been idiotic to even claim it then.

I guess it's patterns we're seeing that aren't really there. The existing patterns shouldn't be easy to find anyway, so it should be normal to see the easier to find ones with a higher chance of being incorrect.

Quietness might have proven to be a good Genestealler tactic in the past, but honestly it seems that hiding in the background like that only raises suspicion onto yourself now.

That's probably why the louder ones get targeted first, it's because they're probably trying something new; hiding in plain sight. In fact Drk_O showed last time that it can work out quite well if you're careful enough and have a decent backup thats willing to take a few risks to gain every advantage possible from that distraction and then pull him out of trouble at the last second. That being said there shouldn't be any assumptions on the general behaviour of the Dark Kin as they're probably not stuid enough to use the previously used methods without a few changes. That would only make them predictable.

What we must do is look for flaws in what they're saying and doing, bandwagons and such are pretty good targets as well. However silence should probably be seen as a flaw itself as we can't rule out that it's simply to try to make them invisible. In fact I probably doubt they wanted to target Mekboy with their night attack. Sure he was a innocent and thus it would be a good idea, from their perspective, to take him out, but why wouldn't they target someone with more experience that could pose a more obvious threat to them later on if they didn't remove them early enough? Like LL or EF.

I guess the aim in that was simply to try to throw off suspicion and perhaps seem a little inexperienced. An interesting tactic I supose, but it would be likely that it is just a step in their plan. Rather than picking the best one at the time they might have a plan that will later turn the more experienced innocents against each other or at least try to trick some of them.

Really though, in the end there isn't much to go on and I'm probably looking into it too much for now.

On the topic of similarities between my playstyle here and in the last game: I think a large part of that is just my playstyle. However, I am planning to make a conscious effort to be more open in my deliberations.

the_ferret wrote:
"Lynching Mekboy was a good choice. We can't really draw much from it as he was rather quiet. Plus it'll make it harder to establish any night kill patterns for the next few days."

Does this not sound like grandstanding to you? It perks my radar.

Then to go further.

Someone mentioned that they thought Mekboy was an odd choice. I merely explained why I thought Mekboy was there target. If I were scum, why would do that?

the_ferret wrote:

"Shas'o being innocent definitely shines some guilty light onto myself, Arheiner, and Scarper."

This seems to be very 'Na na na na na you can't catch me.'

I really don't see that. It looks more like I'm commenting on how shas'o's lynching reflects negatively on myself and others.

*the "there" after my first quote should be "their" ARGH

Sorry about the lack of posts at the moment
I may have already said I have year 8 exams coming up and have to do revision
but can post some days

At the moment I have to agree with the ferrett about rusty

the_ferrett wrote:"Lynching Mekboy was a good choice. We can't really draw much from it as he was rather quiet. Plus it'll make it harder to establish any night kill patterns for the next few days."

Does this not sound like grandstanding to you? It perks my radar.

Then to go further.

"Shas'o being innocent definitely shines some guilty light onto myself, Arheiner, and Scarper."

This seems to be very 'Na na na na na you can't catch me.'

Mekboy's death hasn't told us anything.. he was silent mostly and didn't seem very suspicous.

Shame about Shas, I was in two minds about him by the end of day one. The end of the day came so quickly too..

Hmmm, vulkan's posting habits interest me quite a bit. Everytime he posts, he merely mentions someone who others find suspicious. Day one he said he found shas'o suspicious. Then, once people start questioning LL, he posts mentioning how he likes LL as a scum. Now he shows up and quotes ferret's revenge plot.

Currently, I'm going back over the vote logs and looking at people's explanations for voting how they did. Starting with Arheiner: He voted for several people (avantegarde, vulkan, shas'o). One thing that sticks out to me was his vote for shas'o. He specifically mentioned that he only wanted to do that if the vote would not lynch shas'o. Why do that? Shas'o wasn't even close to lynch.

Scarper: He had a few votes. He did vote for vulkan during the same time that Arheiner's vote was still up. Furthermore, Scarper's vote for Shas'o followed Arheiner. Possible Dark Eldar duo? Two similar votes isn't much, but its more than a grudge so meh.

Vulkan, where is your evidence that you agree with the_ferrett? Your in-post quote has absolutely nothing to do with that opinion of the_ferrett's opinion, it says it makes 3 others suspicious but nothing about rusty, so I fail to see the point. Right now I can't see any reason why you're innocent or playing to help us find the Dark Eldar so I am forced to place my vote on you

Vote: Vulkan_Hestan

As for you Rusty, my vote for Shas'o was because I was too lazy to check how many votes were on him but I had to make sure that it didn't end the day when I voted, since we need all the time we have to search for traitors. Avantgarde came on me straight away for calling people suspicious from what they said which made him look guilty to me and Vulkan was my random vote.

I'm scared at by how easily I'm satisfied by your explanation Mr Rusty.

Unvote:RustyKnight Despite my claims to fame, I don't think I'm good at this accusing thing. I hope I don't come off as arrogant. (OOC: Really don't like arrogance)

BishopGore wrote:

My suspicions for Lord-Loss remain, but I see nothing to be gained right now from further pushing him. I admit I was pushing for people to vote for him, clumsily and without any actual hope people would do so, but nevertheless. It was partly because I was almost certain Shas'O was not a Dark Kin and partly because he bugs me.

Really? TBH, I see no real defense of Shas'o at all from you. To claim such now seems fairly scummy.

I plan to treat this new Day Phase as a new setting, looking at everyone again with hopefully fresh eyes, only towards the end adding in the events of yesterday. If that is a stupid plan then let me know, but I think a lot of things were flying around on Day 1 that could do with being washed clean for the beginning of Day 2.

This is even wierder. You want us to start a new slate on Day 2? How is that a good idea? We'll be back to square one, with absolutely nothing to go on.

BishopGore wrote:Ok, so Ferrett may have powers to know something, or he might just be getting things off to a roaring start. Or it might be a scummy vote.

Here, we go. A good point. However, if the first one is true, then the_ferret would have to have been incredibly lucky to do so in one night.

Vulkan is quiet, in an insane kind of way. Though Mekboy was quiet too and he was just a regular Eldar like us.

@n0t_u: Wouldn't that label you as a possible candidate for a kill last night as well?

Lord-Loss wrote:Mekboy's death hasn't told us anything.. he was silent mostly and didn't seem very suspicous.

Shame about Shas, I was in two minds about him by the end of day one. The end of the day came so quickly too..

On the contrary, I find that 13 pages for one day should be incredibly useful.

Oh, BTW, Mekboy didn't say much, and Vulkan hasn't either. That alone isn't suspicious enough to invite a vote, but unlike the others Vulkan has popped up to randomly chuck in a vote, without offering any real reasons of his own and simply stating the reasons for others, using them as an excuse to chuck in a vote.

Now THAT is suspicious.

I agree. I thought I would have been killed off during that night phase, but not as likely as you or LL. Kind of surprised it didn't turn out that way. Especially you, how long has it been since you've lived past the first day? You always seem to arract them like moths unfortunatey

Trying to figure out who would have been a better target just seems like we're helping them though >_>

If I knew something, I doubt I'd change my mind based on opinions. Just as if I was scummy, I wouldn't change it either. Both pro and con positions should attempt for logical forwards attacks. This hasn't been done in a game I've seen, but it seems to make the most sense.

I'm not sure how helpful this will be, but here are the two (2!) comments that mekboy made before the DE got him.

Mekboy wrote:Vote: Scarper.

He smells funny.

Mekboy wrote:EF if one of the more experienced Mafia players here, and is keeping rather a level head. For now, I feel that he's one of the better players in this match, be it for good or bad. For that reason:
unvote: Scarper

Vote: BishopGore

I assume that killing the player who had said the least gives us the least to go on as to a motive. Still, I'm looking over vote counts for yesterday, and I'll post again this afternoon if i get a chance.

@Rusty - my votes were for, if i remember right, Mekboy, Vulkan and Shas'o.

Mekboy was (obvs!) a jokey vote - he said I smelled, I suggested he be strung up. Fair play, right?

My vote for Vulkan, as I explained at the time, was supposed to put pressure on him to say something that made some sense, but he didn't respond, so I dropped it. I'm still very suspicious of him, more so with his last comment.

I was trying to get Shas'o to explain his behaviour for a long time - I'm surprised he didn't get more votes in the end for his lack of responses. It's unfortunate that his inability to defend himself apparently came from noobishness rather than malicious intent, but someone had to go, and he seemed the most viable :(

Emperors Faithful wrote:Really? TBH, I see no real defense of Shas'o at all from you. To claim such now seems fairly scummy.

Look again. I give you 2 of the many comments I made in Shas'O's favour:

17/03/2010 09:30:32
I think if Shas'O goes on the first turn it'll be a loyal Eldar citizen we've consigned to death. An annoyingly confusing Eldar citizen, but nevertheless.

17/03/2010 16:26:28
I've read everything that has been written so far, and everything you have claimed to be evidence against Shas'O has been nothing but circumstantial. Based upon the kind of poster he is in every other thread it makes very little sense, since if he had been given a role with any extra amusement built in, he would have acted completely differently to the "I don't care if I survive the first day" attitude he's had.

Emperors Faithful wrote:This is even wierder. You want us to start a new slate on Day 2? How is that a good idea? We'll be back to square one, with absolutely nothing to go on.

If you actually reread what I said, I said that for the FIRST PART of Day 2, we should do clean slate and talk, then we should start linking back to the previous Day's talk. And I also said I didn't know if this was a good plan, it was just an idea I had.

Arheiner wrote:Vulkan, where is your evidence that you agree with the_ferrett? Your in-post quote has absolutely nothing to do with that opinion of the_ferrett's opinion, it says it makes 3 others suspicious but nothing about rusty, so I fail to see the point. Right now I can't see any reason why you're innocent or playing to help us find the Dark Eldar so I am forced to place my vote on you

What? Vulkan didn't vote, he just made a comment in support of the_ferrett. Nowhere did he say he voted for anyone.

I was suspicious of your tendencies towards over reaction yesterday and this one today strikes me as ridiculous. Therefore I choose to point my finger of suspicion at you.

Vote: Arheiner

Before anyone comments about me switching randomly from not_u to Arheiner, I haven't, since not_u explained himself thoroughly and I admitted I was posting quickly and without thought yesterday.