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SilverMK2 wrote:It also doesn't help that most of the book is basically "get lots of gunz!"

Thanks for that - a country where guns are reasonably hard to come by.

Regards the airship thing - it has limited uses, but is not useless. It would certainly not be my first "must have" project. Indeed, I would not recommend it unless you were with a sizable group of people (say, 50-100?) where supplies are likely to be stretched more, and where you are more likely to have people skilled in areas you need and so some kind of quiet, reliable craft for flying out to get supplies or looking at the surrounding area would be handy.

Yeah, ZSG does have a decidedly "American" slant to it, and as Sckitzo pointed out some of Brook's research could have been a bit better....but,still a fun read.

@ Commissar Klimino... ...Internet Bravado aside...I find it difficult to believe you would shoot a loved on in the head and then laugh about it and spit on their remains, and if you actually could...then clearly you'd be a liability to have around.
If faced with the situation of having to destroy a loved one/ friend who's become infected ...I'd have no choice but to put them down, both out of self preservation and due to the fact I'd not want them to continue in such a state,but I'm sure it would deeply effect me...there's no way I could terminate a family member and not go a bit crazy.

FITZZ wrote: @ Commissar Klimino... ...Internet Bravado aside...I find it difficult to believe you would shoot a loved on in the head and then laugh about it and spit on their remains, and if you actually could...then clearly you'd be a liability to have around.
If faced with the situation of having to destroy a loved one/ friend who's become infected ...I'd have no choice but to put them down, both out of self preservation and due to the fact I'd not want them to continue in such a state,but I'm sure it would deeply effect me...there's no way I could terminate a family member and not go a bit crazy.

No crap. Putting down one of our pets and then digging the hole and burying it gets to me. I can, and have done it, and will again, but hate it. To do that to a human family member or buddy would just suck.

An idea I have been kicking around with the whole zombie thing is renewable energy. Solar panels, wind mills, etc. Granted things like batteries and capacitors have a short life span and technology wise they really aren't anywhere they should be for a long duration of our main power sources. Though, if you could have it set up you could have heating and AC, hot running water, and basically have the greatest set up post apocalypse.

Though I am still a fan of not staying in any one place too long. Eventually the living or the undead will find you and if you become too dependent on one specific place it will be your undoing. Unless you outlast the apocalypse and then need to rebuild society.

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CptJake wrote:

dajobe wrote:Go to a small town near a military base, that way you can raid the base for munitions and supplies (which they have lots of) and wont have to worry about zombie soldiers shooting you because they dont use guns, clear out the town of zombies, then clear the base of zombies, and you are set for a long time.

Yeah, because none of it will have been issued out to trained soldiers and or guarded by trained soldiers who may not like looters. If the troops are gone (say deployed to fight the undead somewhere, or to control looters), what are the chances they left a lot of weapons and ammo laying about when they left?

Additionally, unless you have a good deal of explosives and the knowledge on how to prepare and set breaching charges, good luck opening the arms rooms and ammo storage bunkers. You'll have better luck looting pawn and gun shops and WalMart for your ammo and guns.


Jake (who happens to live near a couple bases, and has lived near or on bases for the last 20 some years).

Have to chime in with my fellow Captain here, attempting to "loot" a military base would fall into a "last resort, only if unpopulated" plan...
If the base was still maned one should either avoid it (plenty of ammo/weapons/etc still laying about in small civilian areas) or offer to assist the soldiers already present ( depending on the situation).

Raiding an unsupported base would most likely be a more effort than return situation, as Capt. Jake pointed out.

i was assuming the base would be empty, if it is still manned, then of course offer to help or just stay nearby, i left certain parts of my thinking out of text...srry, was not clear enough.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

CptJake wrote:That's okay. I'm sure the troopers at the base you try to loot will split up anything of value you had.

like i said,i wont raid a base until its weak. or ill kill them from the shadows when they exit there lil base

you're not right...in the head...are you...?

SilverMK2 wrote:Regards the airship thing - it has limited uses, but is not useless. It would certainly not be my first "must have" project. Indeed, I would not recommend it unless you were with a sizable group of people (say, 50-100?) where supplies are likely to be stretched more, and where you are more likely to have people skilled in areas you need and so some kind of quiet, reliable craft for flying out to get supplies or looking at the surrounding area would be handy.

Yay that's what i was thinking and you got it, oh and thanks for the enlightning info.

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lord commissar klimino wrote:

CptJake wrote:That's okay. I'm sure the troopers at the base you try to loot will split up anything of value you had.

like i said,i wont raid a base until its weak. or ill kill them from the shadows when they exit there lil base

you're not right...in the head...are you...?

For the first time I agree with you Frazzled. That was just....disgusting.

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Frazzled wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

CptJake wrote:That's okay. I'm sure the troopers at the base you try to loot will split up anything of value you had.

like i said,i wont raid a base until its weak. or ill kill them from the shadows when they exit there lil base

you're not right...in the head...are you...?

For the first time I agree with you Frazzled. That was just....disgusting.

ok i can understand stupid for going up against armed trained military soldiers,but disgusting? even not right in the head makes more since to me. i just dont see how that was disgusting. stupid,idiotic,etc i can understand.

Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.

You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.

corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.

You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.

1st. ill admit it is cowardly,but its nothing people today dont do, and its the Apocalypse,ill do anything to survive.

2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.

3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.

You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.

2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.

3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.

2. You are aware that a military base will have guards right? you cant just hide on their roof and live there...

3. You also underestimate how many zombies there would be in this level of invasion, we are talking total infrastructure collapse and the death of the majority of humans (who will mostly turn into zombies), you cannot distract hundreds of zombies with a dog and even if you did then what? you still have hundreds of zombies to deal with...

corpsesarefun wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.

You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.

2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.

3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.

2. You are aware that a military base will have guards right? you cant just hide on their roof and live there...

3. You also underestimate how many zombies there would be in this level of invasion, we are talking total infrastructure collapse and the death of the majority of humans (who will mostly turn into zombies), you cannot distract hundreds of zombies with a dog and even if you did then what? you still have hundreds of zombies to deal with...

2.nononono,i mean not on the base,far (ish) away on roofs of normal houses or business building. or just 2nd floor of a house with the stairs removed or overly barricaded.

3.true,lots of zombies,so big distration and cause all the guards are dead id be scalling the walls or something. fast and easy. not like im expecting to find a minigun lying around at this point anyways.

I think the disgusting comment was more directed towards your flippant attitude towards murder of people who are just trying to their job and overall, are on the same side as you. Were talking about Zombies here, not some one man terrorist/insurgent army fighting off a evil empire/invading force/Aliens.

Also, and I'd like to point out, most of today's armed forces are USED to fighting against those sorts of attacks, it's what we know and do for a job. Unless you have some training in a Al Qaeda/Chechnyan/IRA/Whatever camp your not telling us about, you stand a snowballs chance in hell of doing anything besides pissing off a few people before you get smoked.

Sckitzo wrote:I think the disgusting comment was more directed towards your flippant attitude towards murder of people who are just trying to their job and overall, are on the same side as you. Were talking about Zombies here, not some one man terrorist/insurgent army fighting off a evil empire/invading force/Aliens.

Also, and I'd like to point out, most of today's armed forces are USED to fighting against those sorts of attacks, it's what we know and do for a job. Unless you have some training in a Al Qaeda/Chechnyan/IRA/Whatever camp your not telling us about, you stand a snowballs chance in hell of doing anything besides pissing off a few people before you get smoked.

meh.its the end of the world. limited supplies. dont know them. understand? even a little?

oh i wish.dont we all wish to have training like that? and hence the wait part ive said before and all that.

I can follow your train of thought, I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

I think your just massively underestimating what your proposing.

But still, there will always be Raiders and Looters in every PAW situation, so I can't say I'm surprised.

Sckitzo wrote:I can follow your train of thought, I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

I think your just massively underestimating what your proposing.

But still, there will always be Raiders and Looters in every PAW situation, so I can't say I'm surprised.

ok. i understand how you would be against it. when the end comes about,good luck to you and your base full of soldiers ill be out with my little group probably annoying you guys to the limit with all are looting.

Ohh and as for training (since I think everyone can benefit) look into companies like McMillian, Blackwater, Front Sight, Gun Site, ect ect.

Their pricey as hell though, but if you look hard enough, you may have a local company.

Sckitzo wrote:Ohh and as for training (since I think everyone can benefit) look into companies like McMillian, Blackwater, Front Sight, Gun Site, ect ect.

Their pricey as hell though, but if you look hard enough, you may have a local company.

huh,cool.ok. i have shot gun training,so ill be good when it comes to close zombie attacks. well,as good as you can get when they are that close.

You ain't gonna annoy me man, I'm done with that stuff.

Just be careful who your stealing from though, especially here in the States, I know I'll protect me and mine, but I have the equipment to do it, and the supplies set up where I won't need to attack random groups of people for a can of spam.


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lord commissar klimino wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Ohh and as for training (since I think everyone can benefit) look into companies like McMillian, Blackwater, Front Sight, Gun Site, ect ect.

Their pricey as hell though, but if you look hard enough, you may have a local company.

huh,cool.ok. i have shot gun training,so ill be good when it comes to close zombie attacks. well,as good as you can get when they are that close.

Define "training" have you taken a professional level course geared towards Military/LEO/PMC? Or did you go to the range/woods and fire off a few shells with some buddies?

Both have their merit, I go out in the desert and shoot about 500 rounds a month (not lately...as it's a 115 out) to try and keep fresh a bit, saving up the cash for some real courses though, but their normally a few grand, plus a few grand worth of ammo...then travel cost.

Sckitzo wrote:You ain't gonna annoy me man, I'm done with that stuff.

Just be careful who your stealing from though, especially here in the States, I know I'll protect me and mine, but I have the equipment to do it, and the supplies set up where I won't need to attack random groups of people for a can of spam.

hu? you wouldnt be at a military base if it all happens...wait thats smart,nevermind

and i will. come on end times,im kinda but not to sure but still think im sorta ready! bring on the zombies!


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oh,shooting with buddies more like it. got decent before i stopped going regularly. im 16,not way id be in the military...if i was im sure you would start questioning America alot more.

Hah, not surprised, yet, but don't want to go into a paranoid rant so leave it at that.

I'm not even sure if I would have went to base when I was Active Duty, sure as the hell wouldn't now. I'll take my chances with the preps I've made and the people I know.


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Though for fun, here is a pic of my anit-Zed load out (it's also my range time fun )

Sckitzo wrote:Hah, not surprised, yet, but don't want to go into a paranoid rant so leave it at that.

I'm not even sure if I would have went to base when I was Active Duty, sure as the hell wouldn't now. I'll take my chances with the preps I've made and the people I know.

yeah,i live very near my 2 best friends. one is an insane freak who know lots of helpful stuff...along with stuff that makes me kinda sick. but he will be a good person to be around. my other friend might be a liability cause if you think im bad (as in zombie knowledge wise and guns and all that) then you will facepalm at him. he is ok with melee weapons though,so maybe not worthless.


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Sckitzo wrote:
Though for fun, here is a pic of my anit-Zed load out (it's also my range time fun )

do you live in texas???

Ever since I have psychological training i would survive, because my friends and i have developed a plan, we are going to use the park in our area which has a giant water tower and its 70 miles away from the city and 3 miles away from the towns. And is completely surrounded by forests and plains. basically all open lands there.
A few of my friends are hot shot hunters. so they plan on completey destroying parts of the forest and building a fort. Suprising one of them has already started..... Hes very paranoid he is a black smith. He is a Red Neck, he has shown me his armory.... Omg it is huge. And this IS NORTHERN ILLIONIS!

No, Arizona

I would get to Alaska. Zombies have no body heat so they would freeze like corpseicles.

Corpseicles that freeze and then thaw to no ill effect... good luck for the summer mr coolyo, you will need it.

There's summer in Alaska? Then screw it, I'm going to Antarctica.

Asherian Command wrote:Ever since I have psychological training i would survive, because my friends and i have developed a plan, we are going to use the park in our area which has a giant water tower and its 70 miles away from the city and 3 miles away from the towns. And is completely surrounded by forests and plains. basically all open lands there.
A few of my friends are hot shot hunters. so they plan on completey destroying parts of the forest and building a fort. Suprising one of them has already started..... Hes very paranoid he is a black smith. He is a Red Neck, he has shown me his armory.... Omg it is huge. And this IS NORTHERN ILLIONIS!

good plan. like mine only less work.and you alreay have a ledder...and good shots who know who to use a rifle....

Sckitzo wrote:No, Arizona

dang,stereotype didnt pull though for me.

coolyo294 wrote:There's summer in Alaska? Then screw it, I'm going to Antarctica.

good luck freezing your *ss off

lord commissar klimino wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:There's summer in Alaska? Then screw it, I'm going to Antarctica.

good luck freezing your *ss off

Dude, I live in Minnesota. I'm an expert at freezing my ass off.

coolyo294 wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:There's summer in Alaska? Then screw it, I'm going to Antarctica.

good luck freezing your *ss off

Dude, I live in Minnesota. I'm an expert at freezing my ass off.

yeah,but thats nothing compared to Antarctica. hope you like having your frozen penguin stew stolen by polar bears. err,wait,i might be getting the poles mixed up. still, have fun in the cold to cold.