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On the plus side it may mean a white dwarf with some actual content too!

It's all good releasing a codex through the magazine, but the figures are so hard to find. They are direct-only, you can't pick them up in the shops which is just infuriating.

Aaaah so yet another Marine-ally army set to get updated before the totally disappointed Necrons... Yes, that should make players happy.

I'm looking forward to this update, hopefully it will allow us to field some of the decent CC units without dying a horrible death.

At the moment I would say most SoB armies are pretty much the same!!! From a semi-competitive view anyway. Battle Sisters in Rhino/Immolators w/ Seraphim x how ever many you can get in for points.

Howard A Treesong wrote:It's all good releasing a codex through the magazine, but the figures are so hard to find. They are direct-only, you can't pick them up in the shops which is just infuriating.

One word...

eBay!!!

You'll get them there for nowhere near the price you'ld pay through GW (especially if GW Australia...)

Padre^.

To all the model naysayers, I may be wrong, but didn't Jes Goodwin specifically say the sisters were getting done in plastic?

I wonder if this has any connection to Jes Goodwin (or whoever it was) saying that they were having problems with the plastics? Maybe the Codex was originally drafted in to be released at this point but because of the problems with the models they've shifted it over to the next release year or something and done a WD codex to, as Yak says, tidy up the rules in the meantime?

I hope this "release" goes well for them and they sell a stack of WDs, then we might see more army lists including ones that wouldn't be variable enough to support a full codex - who wouldn't like to see full army lists for the individual Chaos Legions? Or specialised Carftworlds? Maybe even more Tau Allies or whole new Races - sure I'm daydreaming, but why not :p

I hope they will be released in plastic!
Or shouldnt I, because that would mean I will spend even more mony on more armies... dillema.

I want them in plastic... Very badly... If for nothing else than the sick and twisted conversions that will be done. Sisters bent over a Dark Eldar pleasure barge what?

Scarey Nerd wrote:All the rumours were pointing towards a November-ish release, perhaps early 2012. Assuming this kind of date for the codex remains unchanged, I still don't really get why we players need a WD update. I thought they'd be too busy pushing their FOTM army etc to devote space to an army that isn't actually getting a codex yet. Although, the use of the words "Part 1" might indicate that we won't get a new codex at all, they'll just do 2 parts in WD and then release models with the second, and then perhaps a year later they'll make those 2 articles into a codex to extort maximum cash from us. Hey ho.

From all indications it looks as thought this is following the exact same format as when the Blood Angel list was released in WD. The first month they published the background and bestiary (the rules/descriptions for the units) and then the next month they released the army list.


And again, Games Workshop releases full codexes to support their miniature releases. If they had new Sisters miniatures ready to release they would be releasing a full-fledged codex. While I suppose there is always a chance that they might be throwing out the odd new Sisters miniature, the last two army updates they did via White Dwarf (Warriors of Chaos & Blood Angels) did not coincide with any miniature releases, so I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.


But of course in the long term Sisters will be plastic. That is GW's main strategy now: make as many plastic kits as they can manage to. So when they are ready I'm sure a giant chunk of the Sisters range will indeed be plastic just like every army release these days.

Which WD is that? august? september?

Grim.Badger wrote:I wonder if this has any connection to Jes Goodwin (or whoever it was) saying that they were having problems with the plastics? Maybe the Codex was originally drafted in to be released at this point but because of the problems with the models they've shifted it over to the next release year or something and done a WD codex to, as Yak says, tidy up the rules in the meantime?

I hope this "release" goes well for them and they sell a stack of WDs, then we might see more army lists including ones that wouldn't be variable enough to support a full codex - who wouldn't like to see full army lists for the individual Chaos Legions? Or specialised Carftworlds? Maybe even more Tau Allies or whole new Races - sure I'm daydreaming, but why not :p

The rumors with the problems are very old by now, within the last couple of months there were rumor posts with descriptions of the SoB on sprews. The most noteable one is the was by Sexy Camera which is linked off of the warseer SoB rumor summery thread here - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306309

Argh!! I just noticed that the Image said "First part" of the SOB codex. That means you will need at least two WDs for the full thing. It looks like the first one will be the background and fluff and the next one will be the crunch...

First part WD August, so second part seems to be September.

BA WD Codex had one or two new releases (or at least rereleases).

With all the talk abut the details of the 5 Sororitas Plastic box and the Priest plastic box, it would be weird not to see those.

Still not happy with a WD Codex for the second to last 3rd edition army. Was hoping for a fake, but M'ichael posted to many pics to prove he actually has the real WD July.

Hmm, is it a bad sign that I'm beginning to look forwards to this WD dex? Does this mean I've basically given up? Surrendered my soul to the will of GW?
Entered a life so pathetic it can be compared to someone who has to fake orgasm when masturbating just to get a tiny fragment of satisfaction?

From the picture I get the impression there wont be any rules in the August issue, just fluff and such and then the rules in the Sep one.

angelshade00 wrote:Aaaah so yet another Marine-ally army set to get updated before the totally disappointed Necrons... Yes, that should make players happy.

Whoa!

This is taking Marine Hate a bit too far, don't you think?

"Allies" are long gone these days, by the way...

Anyway, I know what they mean, but it is still a bit odd to hear that next month we'll get the SoB 'background' and.... 'bestiary'!

fox-light713 wrote:The rumors with the problems are very old by now, within the last couple of months there were rumor posts with descriptions of the SoB on sprews. The most noteable one is the was by Sexy Camera which is linked off of the warseer SoB rumor summery thread here - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306309

But finished sprues doesn't mean they've had enough time to run up a decent enough stock for a release

IMO if they did really have problems with the plastics, the safest thing to do from a commercial standpoint would have been to make an early decision to shift the main release to another release year - that way the company is safe from embarrasment whether the sprues end up being ready on time or not. Like Yak said though, something was needed to sort out the Codex post GK and the sensible approach if the Minis weren't ready yet, or they thought there was a chance they wouldn't be ready, would be a WD codex - that way people aren't too upset that a rules change isn't accompanied by minis. Remember these things will have been planned months and months ago so would probably tie in well with the rumours of problems with the casts IMO.

I like the idea of splitting the codex into fluff and rules. I can buy just the rules.

Yeah! GW has a wonderful history of releasing WD non codex armies (or taking codex armies and sticking them IN WD) and supporting them...

Genestealer Cult
Kroot Mercs
Zombie Pirates
Harlequins

and I am sure I am missing a metric ton more...

Yeah... Except for Blood Angels, which is a Marine army, this track record of WD armies either getting SQUATED or absorbed into other codices isn't looking too well for Sisters...

During 8th edition... "But my Sisters are in this 5th edition White Dwarf!", "Sorry kid, no White Dwarf armies allowed in this tournament. Frank's been trying to get his Kroot mercs in here since 2006."

Chapter Approved is different to this SoB mook.

I think this is great, firstly sisters of battle shouldn't even have a codex (neither should grey knight and the other space marine books but that's another story) and the fact that they release it in WD makes sense, if it sells well and lots of people buy sisters of battle... then they could easily release a new codex with the new edition - ALSO remember that these WD articles wont be the same as kroot etc...SoB are popular and will get the respect they deserve even if its a WD article..

I think this gives GW awesome freedom to express themselves,s they could be pumping out new list and armies in the WD every month seeing what people like and dont like, testing out new models and sculpting methods etc..(and popularity of it all.)


good stuff.

angelshade00 wrote:Aaaah so yet another Marine-ally army set to get updated before the totally disappointed Necrons... Yes, that should make players happy.

Sisters have an older codex than Necrons, don't even have a plastic troops choice kit, and won't be able to ally with Marines or anybody else. Quit your whining, it's a White Dwarf codex for god's sake.

Kilkrazy wrote:I like the idea of splitting the codex into fluff and rules. I can buy just the rules.

Sorry to ruin your fun, but if its like the BA release (which it will be), then the rules AND description will be found in part 1 and then the army list will be found in part 2.

So yeah, you'll have to buy both issues to play the army. Of course, they also quickly released the BA army list as a PDF, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see that again!

BuFFo wrote:Yeah! GW has a wonderful history of releasing WD non codex armies (or taking codex armies and sticking them IN WD) and supporting them...

Genestealer Cult
Kroot Mercs
Zombie Pirates
Harlequins

and I am sure I am missing a metric ton more...

Yeah... Except for Blood Angels, which is a Marine army, this track record of WD armies either getting SQUATED or absorbed into other codices isn't looking too well for Sisters...

During 8th edition... "But my Sisters are in this 5th edition White Dwarf!", "Sorry kid, no White Dwarf armies allowed in this tournament. Frank's been trying to get his Kroot mercs in here since 2006."

So you're going to assume that because some armies that were introduced in White Dwarf nearly 20 years ago but never actually got their own codex are somehow more relevant compared to the Warriors of Chaos and Blood Angels WD army lists which are actually relevant to the existing game (in that they both had an existing codex/army book at one point but were long overdue for an update when they got their WD army list)?

That fairly ridiculous. GW has been stupid about a great many things but since roughly 2008 they've been pretty consistent in their tone about 'squatting' armies. For a while they got overzealous with their rules and created a great many sub army lists (like the Eye of Terror codex & Kroot Mercs) without thinking that...gee...players might actually want all those army lists supported with each edition of the game moving forward, something that couldn't feasibly be done with their resources.

Well, those games designers are now no longer with the company and since they had to jettison those smaller sub-army lists they have publicly stated that they will not be squatting any more existing armies, and there has been absolutely no indication that this commitment has changed.

Again, if SoB were being 'squatted' then they wouldn't even bother making a WD army list for them!

chaos0xomega wrote:it looks legit, but it feels wrong somehow... I've seen that exact artwork on the back end of WD before, maybe thats why it feels wrong to me...

Probably because that image is from a codex: vampire counts book?

yevix wrote:I think this gives GW awesome freedom to express themselves,s they could be pumping out new list and armies in the WD every month seeing what people like and dont like, testing out new models and sculpting methods etc..(and popularity of it all.)


good stuff.

Didn't they used to do this then smashed the idea in the face with an axe? I'm not all that fond of the idea of having to even buy WD to keep playing my army, the rules as is seem fine at least for the way I play them. I'd rather them get new models than just new rules, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how it turns out.

yevix wrote:firstly sisters of battle shouldn't even have a codex

yakface wrote:Of course, they also quickly released the BA army list as a PDF, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see that again!

I'd expect so:

One month ago, Blood of Kittens wrote:I want to confirm for everyone that the Sisters new “book” will be coming out sometime this year (most likely before the Necron release). There is more– SoB will be White Dwarf only release stretched over two issues, with a online PDF by the end of the year. I had reported this possibility (in a cryptic matter before) on BoLS, so this is a confirmation of said rumor. Cruddace will be the author for PDF as well. No word on new sculpts, but my bet is on only resin recast of existing models. As for the rules I have nothing to report as of yet, but look for at least two ecclesiastical characters from the fluff/past to appear in the new dex.

Since they got the two-part WD codex before Necrons bit right it's likely that they got the PDF version, the author and the two Ecclesiarchial characters bit right as well.

Scarey Nerd wrote:OK, hold on. Someone clear this up for me: If they release this WD codex, will they release plastic models with it? Or will we have to wait a couple of years until the real codex comes out?

As always, a real codex is released to support a bunch of new models. That's how it works. They don't make new models for a WD army list.

Scarey Nerd wrote:Or will the real codex come out just a few months later, begging the question as to why bother putting out a WD one in the first place. As an interim thing I can understand, but only if models are released with it and if the actual codex wasn't going to come out for a while. None of these scenarios make me particularly happy, but.

Yak did a good job explaining how out of date and difficult to use the 3rd ed (most recent) book is. The release of the GK codex, replacing and eliminating the problems of the Daemonhunters dex, makes good timing for GW to also clean up the lingering issues with the Witchhunters dex.

A WD list also serves as tangible evidence to existing Sisters owners/players that GW has not forgotten them, and that a proper update is on the horizon. I expect GW hopes those players will dig their Sisters armies out of the closet and get excited about them again, so that they'll be primed and ready for new goodies when the new models and real codex are released. Players busting out their old Sisters armies may also serve as word-of-mouth marketing to other players, either exposing them to the army for the first time, or reminding them of the stuff they always liked about Sisters. Many players over the years may have been interested in the army, but decided not to build it because of the limited range of metal models, or the length of time it's been since the book was updated. If those players are reminded about their interest in the army, then provided with nice new plastics and a fresh new army book in a year's time- again, that translates to more sales.

That last paragraph is just speculation; I'm not actually part of GW Marketing, but it's an example of how/why this can make sense from that perspective.

Yes, basicly.

They did this to the Blood Angels after keeping them locked int he gimp box for so long, it worked well once,so why not try agood thing.

This way it generates interest, again... and then gives people the allusion that they are getting something. The Codex books are probibly a sales gimmick to try to generate sales for the WD shlock.

Gets you buy codex to keep you focused on buying, then they pull out the stops with flyers, and axillury stuff later on.

Smart move GW. Its about time with the continuous kicks to the low hanging fruit you've been administering with love.

I remember seeing the photos of the sprues of the plastics here a while back, someone know if those are in fact the real deal?

As for the WD/ Plastics question- NO, it means that you get what you get- a starter, gets you by codex that people can play thier Sisters with, without having to wait the obligatory 4-6 months later.

I see it as needed, anyway with the "New " ways of GW not wanting to tell you whats coming out until the last minute. It keeps the interest, and keeps thier silly play in place while not looking like a bad guy.


I see it as a happy medium between saying "Sorry about being peckish about the news, heres something to whet your interest for Sisters..."


good deal, either way. At least its some news....

The memories of many of you are so short.

If the Sisters pamphlet codex has any new units in it, don't bother converting anything, because after a few years, a la kroot mercs, you will be forgotten.

And no, I am not dumping on GW "just because". WD pamplet codices/army lists in the past have been forgotten and thrown away many times already. I have a friend who converted a kroot army list, and today cannot use it anywhere because everyone wants "updated and OFFICIAL" rules, of which WD is rarely, if ever accepted as official for tourneys and events.

People say they want WD to return to it's former glory, but the audience has moved on.

Maybe Sisters will have rhinos with no access points...

@Yakface

I do appreciate the optimism, but my optimism meter is empty after over a decade of GW draining it dry. I have heard promises by GW many, many times, and they have always changed or been broken for the greater good of their bottom line.

I am not even mentioning the actual codex releases, like the eye of terror, in which GW dupes people into collecting and buying a new force, just to forget it, when all it takes is a simple .pdf update to do so.

So please, don't take offense from me, but you can keep your rose tinted glasses and optimism with GW. I want to just interject a little realism based on past fact, so that when peopel do get their sisters WD update, and smile, in 4 years, when the WD issue becomes irrelevant for tourneys, events and general play, they will remember someone with foresight gave them fair warning based on GW's factual track record hobby dumping for profit.

There is that 1% of my soul that hopes you are right...

Erm- the last two WD only armies got full armybooks / codexes not long after.