Sisters of Battle to receive a White Dwarf Codex (confirmation on pg 13)

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**Kanluwen**

BuFFo wrote:The memories of many of you are so short.

If the Sisters pamphlet codex has any new units in it, don't bother converting anything, because after a few years, a la kroot mercs, you will be forgotten.

Kroot Mercs were pretty much guaranteed not to become a 'codex'. Anyone who thought they would was deceiving themselves.

And no, I am not dumping on GW "just because". WD pamplet codices/army lists in the past have been forgotten and thrown away many times already. I have a friend who converted a kroot army list, and today cannot use it anywhere because everyone wants "updated and OFFICIAL" rules, of which WD is rarely, if ever accepted as official for tourneys and events.

lol?

It's stupid if people are not accepting the official publication of the company as 'official' for tourneys or events.

By the by, the "Kroot army list" hasn't had 'updated and official rules'.
Why?

Probably because the rules and some of the things were ridiculous to begin with, but who knows.

I'm going to bet that your next argument will be about Lost and the Damned, yes?

Yeah. Too bad. They were intended for a campaign that occurred once, and wouldn't be repeated.

**yakface**

BuFFo wrote:The memories of many of you are so short.

If the Sisters pamphlet codex has any new units in it, don't bother converting anything, because after a few years, a la kroot mercs, you will be forgotten.

And no, I am not dumping on GW "just because". WD pamplet codices/army lists in the past have been forgotten and thrown away many times already. I have a friend who converted a kroot army list, and today cannot use it anywhere because everyone wants "updated and OFFICIAL" rules, of which WD is rarely, if ever accepted as official for tourneys and events.

People say they want WD to return to it's former glory, but the audience has moved on.

Maybe Sisters will have rhinos with no access points...

I'm sorry, but you are just flat out wrong. There has never been an army that had it's own codex which was then given a white dwarf army list and was later discontinued.

Never. Not even squats had a codex.

This is the SAME as the Blood Angel release which was 'official' and was allowed in every tournament (that I heard of), before getting a full codex later.

**BuFFo**

I said my peace.

You guys just go ahead and keep falling for the same thing, over and over and over ad naseum. I won't derail this thread by taking off topic, so ya'll can have the final, short sighted, word.

If anything, I do hope GW gives a damn this one time, and does justice to the Sisters, and KEEPS them relevant as a WD army list for years to come.

@yakface

I did edit my previous thread, just fyi... You might not have seen it.

**BrookM**

Kroot Mercs were Chapter Approved by the way, which always was iffy to many people.

**AdeptSister**

So when will we know what the new troop boxes will look like? I am hoping that they are at least 10 model kits because of the point costs of sisters. Hopefully the kit comes with heavy flamers...

**pretre**

SO EXCITED! Good news at last.

**temprus**

I could be dead wrong but I would assume that the WD Codex is so they can do two things: 1) Update SoB to 5th and eliminate the allies "issue", among other things; 2) Present the SoB Finecast as a whole release instead of bits and pieces here and there like all the current Finecast releases are doing. If it has any non-finecast releases I would assume it would either be a metal re-release (which "sounds silly" with Finecast out) or kit(s) that SoB share with someone else (which is not many at this point, Inq stuff if SoB has any maybe).

**agnosto**

yakface wrote:

I'm sorry, but you are just flat out wrong. There has never been an army that had it's own codex which was then given a white dwarf army list and was later discontinued.

Never. Not even squats had a codex.

This is the SAME as the Blood Angel release which was 'official' and was allowed in every tournament (that I heard of), before getting a full codex later.

My Chaos Dwarfs started out in WD, got an army book and then went on holiday for the next 15 years. The plus side is that they're getting nifty new models and an army list from forgeworld. Here's hoping no one cries when I try to play them with that list.

**ceorron**

BuFFo wrote:
I do appreciate the optimism, but my optimism meter is empty after over a decade of GW draining it dry. I have heard promises by GW many, many times, and they have always changed or been broken for the greater good of their bottom line.

I am not even mentioning the actual codex releases, like the eye of terror, in which GW dupes people into collecting and buying a new force, just to forget it, when all it takes is a simple .pdf update to do so.

So please, don't take offense from me, but you can keep your rose tinted glasses and optimism with GW. I want to just interject a little realism based on past fact, so that when peopel do get their sisters WD update, and smile, in 4 years, when the WD issue becomes irrelevant for tourneys, events and general play, they will remember someone with foresight gave them fair warning based on GW's factual track record hobby dumping for profit.

There is that 1% of my soul that hopes you are right...

This, QFT

**Melissia**

For once, I agree with buffo.

GW PDF codices suck ass, they always have, and with all respects to Cruddace, they always will, and this one will be no exception. Hell they even screwed up the Daemonhunters pdf when it was supposed to be a copy/paste--forgetting to put what the Grey Knights rule meant because they hastily removed the page due to it having Allies rules.

This is not good news. This is like waiting for a date to show up, and he/she's four hours late, only to have him/her greet you by slapping your face and ignoring you because he/she's more interested in another person and wishes he/she wasn't dating you. Then claiming it's good news because hey, at least he/she showed up at all!

It's just sad. In so many ways.

**tastytaste**

temprus wrote:I could be dead wrong but I would assume that the WD Codex is so they can do two things: 1) Update SoB to 5th and eliminate the allies "issue", among other things; 2) Present the SoB Finecast as a whole release instead of bits and pieces here and there like all the current Finecast releases are doing. If it has any non-finecast releases I would assume it would either be a metal re-release (which "sounds silly" with Finecast out) or kit(s) that SoB share with someone else (which is not many at this point, Inq stuff if SoB has any maybe).

and we have a winner for the most logical analysis yet!

**BrookM**

How much time was there between the Blood Angels getting a WD supplement and getting their own codex?

**Melissia**

BrookM wrote:How much time was there between the Blood Angels getting a WD supplement and getting their own codex?

Three years. But they're a Marine army, so double the time for sisters, who aren't Marines.

**Kroothawk**

agnosto wrote:My Chaos Dwarfs started out in WD, got an army book and then went on holiday for the next 15 years.

Chaos Dwarfs never had an army book. They just got a softcover reprint of the WD articles with "WD presents" written instead of "army book". Just check your copy to verify this.

**morgendonner**

I'm happy to see this happen, I haven't touched my sisters army in over a year.

My main concern though is that GW pulled most of the range off store shelves, the thought at the time was that this meant new models were on the way. Now that it would appear that's not the case, how are we supposed to expand an army?

**BrookM**

There was some talk of models getting re-released and other models getting a re-design.

**Melissia**

BrookM wrote:There was some talk of models getting re-released and other models getting a re-design.

Yes, but for this codex, it's a resin re-release.

So basically they're giving us lower quality, equally expensive version of second edition models that nobody wanted to buy anymore anyway.

Isn't it fun to keep using the same exact model range for three editions, and likely four too if sixth edition is as close as people think it is?

**Brother SRM**

BuFFo wrote:I said my peace.

You guys just go ahead and keep falling for the same thing, over and over and over ad naseum. I won't derail this thread by taking off topic, so ya'll can have the final, short sighted, word.

If anything, I do hope GW gives a damn this one time, and does justice to the Sisters, and KEEPS them relevant as a WD army list for years to come.

@yakface

I did edit my previous thread, just fyi... You might not have seen it.

I don't think we're going to "fall" for anything. As has been stated, the previous armies that only got a WD release never had a codex in the first place, and the armies that had codices/army books and then a WD dex both got real codices not long after. The two that did get real rulebooks were the two most recent, Warriors of Chaos and Blood Angels. You can't just say "I won't derail this thread" then repeatedly take parting shots that only serve to take it further off topic.

Sisters will get a WD codex and then a real one in a year or two. They will not be "Squatted" because if they were, they wouldn't get this codex in the first place.

**morgendonner**

Melissia wrote:Yes, but for this codex, it's a resin re-release.

So basically they're giving us lower quality, equally expensive version of second edition models that nobody wanted to buy anymore anyway.

Isn't it fun to keep using the same exact model range for three editions, and likely four too if sixth edition is as close as people think it is?

Meh if they bring back the old models as finecast I'd be fine with that. The sculpts were nice it was just those fugly heads/sugar bowl haircuts that got repetitive but if it's now resin that's much easier to convert out.

**Melissia**

morgendonner wrote:
Melissia wrote:Yes, but for this codex, it's a resin re-release.

So basically they're giving us lower quality, equally expensive version of second edition models that nobody wanted to buy anymore anyway.

Isn't it fun to keep using the same exact model range for three editions, and likely four too if sixth edition is as close as people think it is?

Meh if they bring back the old models as finecast I'd be fine with that. The sculpts were nice it was just those fugly heads/sugar bowl haircuts that got repetitive but if it's now resin that's much easier to convert out.

The entire model range is repetitive. And finecast is already notoriously low quality, so you're gonna have to do some work just to be able to use them UNmodified.

**Brother SRM**

Melissia wrote:

The entire model range is repetitive. And finecast is already notoriously low quality, so you're gonna have to do some work just to be able to use them UNmodified.

**Melissia**

Brother SRM wrote:Finecast is actually of a very good quality. It's the vocal minority who post about the miscasts, then the bandwagon jumpers on top of them. Quality control isn't as good as it should be, but when Finecast models come out right, they're very, very good.

Not a minority by my reckoning. You'd be the FIRST person I've talked to who had anything good to say about finecast. Both IRL and online.

**Mannahnin**

I like the idea of coordinating the Sisters WH list with a Finecast release for their stuff. That would be neat.

BuFFo wrote:You guys just go ahead and keep falling for the same thing, over and over and over ad naseum. I won't derail this thread by taking off topic, so ya'll can have the final, short sighted, word.

If you think there is no difference between what happened with Kroot Mercs in WD vs. BA and WoC in WD, you're not making an effort to see clearly.

**olympia**

My GKs will miss the table-wide psychic hood....like a bad case of diarrhea!

**Slinky**

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ghost21 wrote:
ok that is ironious they will have a proper dex or ill run through the streets of notingham hailing the end of civiliation naked n painted yellow

**Ascalam**

Bring a camcorder and a packed lunch

**kenzosan**

yakface wrote:
kenzosan wrote:my only complaint has and will remain to be that sisters are all metal and are the most expensive army to build. a wd codex only keeps this complaint alive.

And the release of the army list in White Dwarf neither helps nor hurts that problem...it is completely independent of it. Do you think for a second GW has a heap of plastic SoB models ready to release but instead has decided to shelve them so they can put out a 'get you by' White Dwarf army list?

Of course not. In fact, if anything, a White Dwarf army list shows that they ARE working on the army, and based on recent history that means a TON of new plastic models. Unfortunately, sculpting a bunch of new plastic models (along with all the other plastic models that every other release gets) obviously takes a long time, which is why an interim codex bringing some of the rules up to date with those in the Grey Knights codex makes a heck of a lot of sense.

firstly: yes i do believe there are a bunch of plastic sisters sitting around in creates much like at the end of "raiders of the lost ark"

second: yea, your right, i never looked at it that way. im upset because i really want to build sisters i just dont wanna spend twice as much on the army as i did for my ba and am going to spend on my eldar. i do appreciate that they are updating the codex and looking at sisters, but it feels rushed and bad because all i can think of is that 1) they are taking out the inquisition so there is effectively half an army and 2) they could simply update the pdf. i know they want to sell white dwarfs but damn, TWO! i cant even see the whole codex for TWO months. its like if i pay $10 for a book and get half way through and am told 'in a month you can buy the second half for $10' if i want to find out what happens.

**Melissia**

Me, I'm glad they removed the Inquisition, but it's a pity they don't just give the poor sods their own codex instead. Emperor knows they did taht with all the various colors of Space Marines.

**kenzosan**

Melissia wrote:Me, I'm glad they removed the Inquisition, but it's a pity they don't just give the poor sods their own codex instead. Emperor knows they did taht with all the various colors of Space Marines.

i am too. i think inquisition should have been their own, and grey knights and sisters codex would be the perfect time to seperate em.

**Mannahnin**

Kenzo, both the BA and WoC WD 'dexes were available on the website as free PDFs very shortly after the magazines were released.