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Sanguinor. Rerolling all failed hits and wounds really puts a dent into someone, especially when you're ignoring armour, rolling 3's to hit (I think), and 3's to wound.
Abaddon can't stand up to too many rounds of that.

Gutsnagga wrote:Sanguinor. Rerolling all failed hits and wounds really puts a dent into someone, especially when you're ignoring armour, rolling 3's to hit (I think), and 3's to wound.
Abaddon can't stand up to too many rounds of that.

You mean Draigo.

I mentioned Abaddon because the Sanguinor already beat him out, and I tend to consider Abaddon and Draigo on a fairly even playing field. So if he can beat one, he beats the other.

Sanguinor is S5 right? That means he's rolling 4's to wound. (Draigo is T5, go figure)

But that doesn't change the end result much anyway (Die Draigo, Die!)

Amanax wrote:

Gutsnagga wrote:Sanguinor. Rerolling all failed hits and wounds really puts a dent into someone, especially when you're ignoring armour, rolling 3's to hit (I think), and 3's to wound.
Abaddon can't stand up to too many rounds of that.

You mean Draigo.

I mentioned Abaddon because the Sanguinor already beat him out, and I tend to consider Abaddon and Draigo on a fairly even playing field. So if he can beat one, he beats the other.

Sorry misread the post. But still, Draigo...

voting opened. - closes monday.

So the sanguinor takes down Draigo, to make it to the finals vrs the swarmlord. heres a look at how both managed to get this far.

Swarmlord voted in, and got seeded 3rd overall, and took second spot behind Ghazskull in pool A. he then beat down lysander with a 77% win. he then feasted on Kharn taking 82% of the votes. Ghazskull in the semi finals prooved a bit tougher, but he managed to take him down with a 54% victory.

Sanguinor however was kind of a long shot. he seeded in at the 14th spot (of 16) making it into the contest by only 3 votes. he ended up as the 7th seed in pool B ahead of only grimaldus, he took out mephiston in a squeaker in the first round with 57%, then kicked the pool B top seed abbadons butt with a 81% win. (Abbadon had won his first match vrs grimaldus with 87%) - talk about a reversal! finally sanguinor managed a victory against another top seed in draigo. (number 3 in pool B) - so the 7th seed defeats the top 3 seeds in his pool to make it to the finals.

can Sanguinor do it again? its 7th seed vrs 2nd seed and 14th vrs 3rd overall for the title. - discussion starts now. voting will open thursday, and end monday....

lettssss get readyyyy to rummmmmbllleee...

Sanguinor gets my vote on this one, he is just a beast. Id be interested in seeing the mathhammer on this one but I think it will favor the sanguinor.

I think it's close to 50/50... Which means I have to vote Swarmlord.

My money is on the swarmlord, can't do the math hammer right now, but i'm pretty sure he'll come out on top. He is a nasty mo fo.

This fight needs math hammer, and an epic battle scenario. Xeno vs Imperium.

Just by glancing at their abilities, I'd say it's way too close to call.

Both, I believe, are hitting each other on 4s. Both re-roll hits. Swarmlord wounds on 2s, while sanguinor needs 5 (But has re-rolls). Swarlord only has his 4+ invulnerable save to fall back on, against Sanguinor's 3+, but Sanguinor will be forced to re-roll those successful saves (Which we all know, the greater the chance of failure, the more valuable those re-rolls become). Sanguinor would swing first, but Swarlord has more wounds.


However, if these were sixth edition rules, this wouldn't even be a contest...

I don't think 6th would change it much at all. Swarmy only has a 3+ armor save, so still has to fall back to invul and bonesabres ignore armor so Sang has to use his rerolling invul.

Sang would miss out on 1 init because of Furious Charge changing... But I'm not sure what else would change.

Ooh, this one should be close but I think the Swarmlord will take it. With psychic powers, 2 more wounds, higher toughness, higher WS (9 vs Sanguinor's 8), and forcing rerolls on successful saves the Swarmlord is the ultimate Tyranid weapon of mass destruction.

Amanax wrote:This fight needs math hammer, and an epic battle scenario. Xeno vs Imperium.

Just by glancing at their abilities, I'd say it's way too close to call.

Both, I believe, are hitting each other on 4s. Both re-roll hits. Swarmlord wounds on 2s, while sanguinor needs 5 (But has re-rolls). Swarlord only has his 4+ invulnerable save to fall back on, against Sanguinor's 3+, but Sanguinor will be forced to re-roll those successful saves (Which we all know, the greater the chance of failure, the more valuable those re-rolls become). Sanguinor would swing first, but Swarlord has more wounds.


However, if these were sixth edition rules, this wouldn't even be a contest...

The Swarmlord hits on 3's.

What do you think Sixth would change? It seems it would be about the same to me.

Sasori wrote:

Amanax wrote:This fight needs math hammer, and an epic battle scenario. Xeno vs Imperium.

Just by glancing at their abilities, I'd say it's way too close to call.

Both, I believe, are hitting each other on 4s. Both re-roll hits. Swarmlord wounds on 2s, while sanguinor needs 5 (But has re-rolls). Swarlord only has his 4+ invulnerable save to fall back on, against Sanguinor's 3+, but Sanguinor will be forced to re-roll those successful saves (Which we all know, the greater the chance of failure, the more valuable those re-rolls become). Sanguinor would swing first, but Swarlord has more wounds.


However, if these were sixth edition rules, this wouldn't even be a contest...

The Swarmlord hits on 3's.

What do you think Sixth would change? It seems it would be about the same to me.

Access to Biomancy powers could make a large difference in Swarmlords power depending on what you rolled.

ok, so voting opened now, we will shut it down on monday, so we have a solid 5 days to get this one sorted. id like to see a ton of votes for this one.

Voted for the Swarmlord, I ran the math on this a few times and he came out on top every time. I think he's got this one by a fair margin.

Swarmlord, (four sabre-)hands down.

As much as I want the Winner to be the guy that beat Abaddon, I think it's ever so slightly tipped in the Nids favour.... a worthy second for Sanguinor though.

Swarmy, even before biomancy, and if he gets any combination of Iron Arm/Warp Speed/Endurance, there's just no chance.

swarmlord wins.. did the napkin math and sanguinar per my math deals 2.3 wounds before his death in the absolute best of circumstances.. he doesn't stand a chance

going into the last few days, swarmy with the lead, albeit plenty of time and room left for sanguinor to storm back.

Yeah, this goes to the Swarmlord, no contest.

swarmlord wins this one with 62% of the vote. a little closer then some predicted but still a pretty pointed victory.

next up, a flip of the script and the "dead-est" unit. havent really recieved nominations yet for this one, so i will open the floor to nominate the worst unit possible. do so via reply or PM. entrants must be between 150 - 200 pts, and can be chosen from any codex selection and may include vehicles.

ill leave the OP intact for the next few days, and of course it will be copyed and saved as a document in case anyone wants to refer back to it for whatever reason.

well.... no nominations for the next one, so ill give it till friday. - need 8 nominations by then, else ill assume the ship has sailed here and let her go into the sweet night.