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 Alpharius wrote:
Emily Blunt probably would have been awesome, BUT, I'm with J.H.D.D. - I'm going to wait to see how Brie does before passing judgement!

I thought Brie was great in Kong: Skull Island, so I'm confident in her capabilities here.

But I still hope it will be a good movie.. but Disney can't be trusted lately..

 trexmeyer wrote:
So if Brie Larson is a miscast Captain Marvel, who would be a good pick for Carol Danvers? And I do agree that Brie Larson is one of the blandest actors in Hollywood. I don't understand her appeal at all.

I think Emily Blunt or Charlize Theron would have crushed it. They've both proven that they can play military personnel and/or bad asses. Larson just doesn't fit at all. There's like a laundry list I would've picked before her.

Hell yes to both of those, Charlize theron would have totally smashed it, she can do action and i dont care if she is "too old" for the part, she can act and i would have loved to see an older captain marvel rather than one of the now 8 rebooted comic versions, kinda like older peter parker in spiderverse.

Emilty Blunt... well edge of tomorrow shows she would be excellent for captain marvel too, she made that film for me.

 Formosa wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
So if Brie Larson is a miscast Captain Marvel, who would be a good pick for Carol Danvers? And I do agree that Brie Larson is one of the blandest actors in Hollywood. I don't understand her appeal at all.

I think Emily Blunt or Charlize Theron would have crushed it. They've both proven that they can play military personnel and/or bad asses. Larson just doesn't fit at all. There's like a laundry list I would've picked before her.

Hell yes to both of those, Charlize theron would have totally smashed it, she can do action and i dont care if she is "too old" for the part, she can act and i would have loved to see an older captain marvel rather than one of the now 8 rebooted comic versions, kinda like older peter parker in spiderverse.

Emilty Blunt... well edge of tomorrow shows she would be excellent for captain marvel too, she made that film for me.

You will get a chance to see an older carol danvers. 10 years from now when the MCU is still running. There is no point in casting old in the intro movie for a ongoing universe. Good Job with your old Batman DC.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
I think Emily Blunt or Charlize Theron would have crushed it

Hell yes to both of those, Charlize theron would have totally smashed it, she can do action and i dont care if she is "too old" for the part,

You will get a chance to see an older carol danvers. 10 years from now when the MCU is still running. There is no point in casting old in the intro movie for a ongoing universe. Good Job with your old Batman DC.

Exactly. RDJ has done Iron Man for a full decade! Also SLJ as Nick Fury. You need a younger person simply for the duration of the franchise, someone who can potentially do a half dozen films over a decade.

And SLJ started doing all this when he was 60 no less, so...

Isn't Brie Larson the first time an Academy Award winning actor/actress has been cast as the lead in the MCU?

Cate Blanchett. If you consider lead villain as a lead role.

Katheryn Winnick would have done well.

Given how largely irrelevant and non-present she was for almost all of the film, I certainly wouldn't consider Blanchett a 'lead role' or a 'lead villain.'

She was a B-plot and fairly contrived reason to get Thor to Junkworld sans Mew-mew, and later to nuke Asgard to get the Asgardians into space to get murdered by Thanos

Was she not the main antagonist of the movie? So, lead villain then.

Voss wrote:
Given how largely irrelevant and non-present she was for almost all of the film, I certainly wouldn't consider Blanchett a 'lead role' or a 'lead villain.'

She was a B-plot and fairly contrived reason to get Thor to Junkworld sans Mew-mew, and later to nuke Asgard to get the Asgardians into space to get murdered by Thanos

She qas, in fact, the driving force of the entire movie. She was everyones motivations. Everyones antagonist. The whole plot. Largely irrelevant sounds like you were watching a different movie.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Cate Blanchett. If you consider lead villain as a lead role.

Primary antagonist, yes, definitely!

Lead villain? , not exactly - compare with Thanos, who was the lead for Infinity War.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
So if Brie Larson is a miscast Captain Marvel, who would be a good pick for Carol Danvers? And I do agree that Brie Larson is one of the blandest actors in Hollywood. I don't understand her appeal at all.

I think Emily Blunt or Charlize Theron would have crushed it. They've both proven that they can play military personnel and/or bad asses. Larson just doesn't fit at all. There's like a laundry list I would've picked before her.

Hell yes to both of those, Charlize theron would have totally smashed it, she can do action and i dont care if she is "too old" for the part, she can act and i would have loved to see an older captain marvel rather than one of the now 8 rebooted comic versions, kinda like older peter parker in spiderverse.

Emilty Blunt... well edge of tomorrow shows she would be excellent for captain marvel too, she made that film for me.

You will get a chance to see an older carol danvers. 10 years from now when the MCU is still running. There is no point in casting old in the intro movie for a ongoing universe. Good Job with your old Batman DC.

god no, they will replace Brie larson long before that, I give her 2/3 movies, if the studio can keep her in check and off twitter, I give her longer.

Batfleck is leaving... or is he, who knows with DC at the moment, at least we now have 2 good movies in the DCEU, 2 more and they will equal marvel!

 Lance845 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Given how largely irrelevant and non-present she was for almost all of the film, I certainly wouldn't consider Blanchett a 'lead role' or a 'lead villain.'

She was a B-plot and fairly contrived reason to get Thor to Junkworld sans Mew-mew, and later to nuke Asgard to get the Asgardians into space to get murdered by Thanos

She qas, in fact, the driving force of the entire movie. She was everyones motivations. Everyones antagonist. The whole plot. Largely irrelevant sounds like you were watching a different movie.

Yep. I was watching a -buddy comedy/family finding common ground- story on Junkworld, with a cameo lead in with dr strange, and a strange post climax where Ragnarok just sort of inevitably happened because of the script demands of infinity war, and a bunch of side characters were tossed under a bus in favor of wacky rock revolutionary and his slug sidekick/pet.

She certainly wasn't 'everyone's' anything. She mattered to Thor and Heimdall (who barely mattered in this film) and somewhat (and unconvincingly) to Valkyrie, and vaguely to Loki (and only because he was reconnecting to Thor, somewhat). No one else noticed or cared, except the assortment of out of nowhere Asgardians peasants doomed to die, but they were background, not characters.

Odds are pretty good that infinity 2 will ultimately reset much or all this anyway, because comics.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Cate Blanchett. If you consider lead villain as a lead role.

Primary antagonist, yes, definitely!

Lead villain? , not exactly - compare with Thanos, who was the lead for Infinity War.

To be fair Thanos was the Hero of Infinity War and not the lead villain. The whole movie was actually Thanos' hero's journey.

Thor Ragnarok was not Helas(sp) Hero's Journey.

Thanos was the protagonist of Infinity War, but not the Hero - the anti-Hero

Yes, of course, but Easy E was attempting to be funny there.


Right?

I never was a big fan of Marvel character and I actually almost nothing about Captain Marvel, but is her character and stories hard to pull off? Is she the kind off character that requires a wide range of acting skill? I mean, Captain America is a fairly easy character to both cast and play. He is a fairly archetypical hero with a good heart and a good soldier attitude. Most average actors can pull this off fairly well and it's relatively easy to make a film with those types of characters (there is so many afterall). Iron Man for example is more complex. He is supposed to be an arrogant, insufferable piece of gak, but still loveable and funny, thus a good actor and scenario needs a good balance of both elements and a certain charisma for it to look natural and credible. So I guess my question isn't if Larson is a good actress or not, but if she's simply good enough.

Your wrong about iron man.

He wasnt funny until robert downie jr made him so. Stark as a character has always been very stoic. And often tragic (alcoholism). Not a catchy one liners and whatever.

Also captain america on the surface is just big heart and good soldier. But thats boring and chris evans is anything but. Cap done right is very deep and the things he fights for are more complex then simple being a good soldier. His best moments are civil war style moments where he wrangles these complex situations in ways that find that small narrow right path forwardeven when everyone else is tearing it down.

Carol has had a spot light put on her in the last decade or so even though shes been around since the 60s. Shes more of the soldier you think cap is. Shes more stubborn then he is. But shes less often the moral champion he is. Cap is the moral compass of the marvel universe. If cap says what you are doing is wrong it probably is. Carol finds the direct and definitive solution to the problem on front of her and makes it not a problem anymore. She gets a mission and she completes the objective. The moral fall out of that can be dealt with after.

What she is in the mcu isnt necessarily who she is in the comics. Like tony stark its mutable since shes a character most people know nothing about. Her depth and complexity can come from her rich (and often stupid) comics history or just some gak they make up to get past the stupid comic gak.

 Formosa wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
So if Brie Larson is a miscast Captain Marvel, who would be a good pick for Carol Danvers? And I do agree that Brie Larson is one of the blandest actors in Hollywood. I don't understand her appeal at all.

I think Emily Blunt or Charlize Theron would have crushed it. They've both proven that they can play military personnel and/or bad asses. Larson just doesn't fit at all. There's like a laundry list I would've picked before her.

Hell yes to both of those, Charlize theron would have totally smashed it, she can do action and i dont care if she is "too old" for the part, she can act and i would have loved to see an older captain marvel rather than one of the now 8 rebooted comic versions, kinda like older peter parker in spiderverse.

Emilty Blunt... well edge of tomorrow shows she would be excellent for captain marvel too, she made that film for me.

The trick to using an older actor for a new character is... well, how long will she be ABLE to do this sort of movie? The MCU is working on story arcs that are a decade long at a time here. Will she still be available and able to play Captain Marvel for that long or longer?

I think she's got a 5 - 7 film deal?

That's probably 3 main movies (One already in the can, Avengers: End Game and CM2) and maybe a cameo or two in GoG3 and...something else.

That's probably your 10 years right there!

So yes, she should be able to do that.

 Lance845 wrote:
Your wrong about iron man. He wasnt funny until robert downie jr made him so. Stark as a character has always been very stoic. And often tragic (alcoholism). Not a catchy one liners and whatever.

Also captain america on the surface is just big heart and good soldier. But thats boring and chris evans is anything but. Cap done right is very deep and the things he fights for are more complex then simple being a good soldier. His best moments are civil war style moments where he wrangles these complex situations in ways that find that small narrow right path forwardeven when everyone else is tearing it down.

Agree. Iron Man wasn't clever until RDJ took the role. Spider Man was making the jokes.

Captain America is good when he's not secretly a Nazi, because that's a betrayal of everything about the character.

You can blame the Skull and that damn Cosmic Cube for that crap - which everyone knew was the case!

Rumor has it that the Cube/Tesseract twill play an important role in A4 too - hopefully that's just a rumor though...

 Ouze wrote:
Isn't Brie Larson the first time an Academy Award winning actor/actress has been cast as the lead in the MCU?

List of Academy Award winners for Best Actor/Actress or Best Supporting Actor/Actress other than Brie Larson


Notable nominations only


So technically, no 'lead' has a win yet, but it's not as if she's the most decorated or respected actor/actress to appear in the MCU or lead a film.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Isn't Brie Larson the first time an Academy Award winning actor/actress has been cast as the lead in the MCU?

List of Academy Award winners for Best Actor/Actress or Best Supporting Actor/Actress other than Brie Larson

Spoiler:

Benicio del Toro: Best Supporting Actor 2000, also 1 additional nomination in Supporting Category
Jeff Bridges: Best Actor 2009, two nominations
Anthony Hopkins: Best Actor 1992, 3 additional nominations
Forest Whitaker: Best Actor 2006
Tommy Lee Jones: Best Supporting Actor 1993, multiple nominations for Best Actor/Best Supporting Actor
Michael Douglas: Best Actor 1988
Ben Kingsley: Best Actor 1982
Cate Blanchett: Best Supporting Actress 2004, 2 additional nominations in same category. Best Actress 2014, 3 additional nominations in same category.
Gwyneth Paltrow: Best Actress 1998.
Jennifer Connelly: Best Supporting Actress 2002
Tilda Swinton: Best Supporting Actress 2007
Natalie Portman: Best Actress 2010, 1 nomination Best Supporting Actress, 1 additional nomination best Actress.

Notable nominations only

Spoiler:

Robert Downing Jr: 1 each for Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor
Michael Keaton: 1 for Best Actor
Mark Ruffalo: 4 for Best Supporting Actor
Mickey Rourke: 1 for Best Actor
Benedict Cumberbatch: 1 for Best Supporting Actor
Don Cheadle: 1 for Best Actor
Bradley Cooper: 2 Best Actor, 1 Best Support Actor
Angela Bassett: 1 Best Actress
Edward Norton (lol): 1 Best Actor, 2 Best Supporting Actor
Glenn Close: 3 for both Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress
Chiwetel Ejiofor: 1 for Best Actor
Samuel L. Jackson: 1 for Best Supporting Actor
Robert Redford: 1 for Best Actor (Best Director Win)
Michelle Pfeiffer: 1 Best Actress, 2 Best Supporting Actress
Laurence Fishburne: 1 Best Actor
Rachel McAdams: 1 Best Actress

So technically, no 'lead' has a win yet, but it's not as if she's the most decorated or respected actor/actress to appear in the MCU or lead a film.

I would agree she's not the most respected actor/actress in the MCU, but that also wasn't the argument I made.

In terms of acting ability regardless of award I think it's tough to beat Anthony Hopkins, Glenn Close, Michael Keaton, Ben Kingsley, and Tilda Swinton, and the other heavyweights they've snagged in non-leads. My favorite is still Cate Blanchett though!

She really was brilliant as Hela. Not so much scenery chewing as scenery devouring

A lot of actors signed on to the MCU thinking they were getting their shot at pulling off the next Heath Ledger Joker and found themselves extremely disappointed. Cate Blanchett is one of the few to really commit to the kind of villain the MCU has been reliant on.

 LunarSol wrote:
A lot of actors signed on to the MCU thinking they were getting their shot at pulling off the next Heath Ledger Joker and found themselves extremely disappointed. Cate Blanchett is one of the few to really commit to the kind of villain the MCU has been reliant on.

If you don't die immediately, you can't be the next Heath Ledger, whose performance is only "good" because of he died. To me, it was completely blah.

I don't think you'll find many people who agree with your opinion (keep in mind, it's indeed your opinion).