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Final Vengeance.
That is all.

Leonus Cohol wrote:Final Vengeance.
That is all.

I play a Devastator and a Assault Marine, so I'm either long gone or to far away to care.

I say Plasma Cannon.

Brotip: If you press (A) + a direction, you can roll!

Must be my lag sometimes, but I'll have jetpacked away as assault and still get killed by it.

daedalus-templarius wrote:Must be my lag sometimes, but I'll have jetpacked away as assault and still get killed by it.

I've noticed this as well. I think it is lag related but am not sure. The same thing sometimes happens when an Assault is using their melee combo. I'll be killed even if I'm not being hit or in melee range. Really weird sometimes.

But yes. Final Vengence is stupid. I hate Martyrdom, especially since in a firefight you rarely have the luxury of being able to get away and live. I can't tell you how often I see assaults with Killing Blow and Final Vengence. If by some miracle of god you survive the hammer, the FV will kill you unless you roll fast (devastators just die).

I would like to say the Lascannon/Plasma Cannon are problems.

Lascannon is a long range gun, akin to a sniper rifle. Yet it just doesn't kill someone in a hit to the head. In a beam.

Plasma Cannon, however, has a blast, kills Feel No Pain and Iron Halo on miss hits (for me, might be lag) and has enough ammo to be a serios problem, especially with certain perks.

Also, add one to Final Vengeance; getting kills for dying is, has been, and always will be, a stupid idea. I could see if it was "Kill Five People to power up a Farewell Gift", but being able to just fly in and die, getting a triple kill in the process, is just stupid.

Slarg232 wrote:
Also, add one to Final Vengeance; getting kills for dying is, has been, and always will be, a stupid idea. I could see if it was "Kill Five People to power up a Farewell Gift", but being able to just fly in and die, getting a triple kill in the process, is just stupid.

More like stupid AWESOME.

Slarg232 wrote:I would like to say the Lascannon/Plasma Cannon are problems.

Lascannon is a long range gun, akin to a sniper rifle. Yet it just doesn't kill someone in a hit to the head. In a beam.

Plasma Cannon, however, has a blast, kills Feel No Pain and Iron Halo on miss hits (for me, might be lag) and has enough ammo to be a serios problem, especially with certain perks.

Also, add one to Final Vengeance; getting kills for dying is, has been, and always will be, a stupid idea. I could see if it was "Kill Five People to power up a Farewell Gift", but being able to just fly in and die, getting a triple kill in the process, is just stupid.

A Lascannon hit to the head kills in one hit, I am fairly certain.

I don't mind a Lascannon killing on one hit, just as long as yyou can't rapid fire it. The plasma cannon needs to be fixed, and why is the Melta Gun in the game? There are NO tanks in it.

Leonus Cohol wrote:I don't mind a Lascannon killing on one hit, just as long as yyou can't rapid fire it. The plasma cannon needs to be fixed, and why is the Melta Gun in the game? There are NO tanks in it.

It's a shotgun that I seem to suck with. I barley manage 15 kills a game with the class that it's on, and that's usually die to the Twin/Storm Bolter and Blind Grenades.

Final Vengeance, yep, that's about it.

As I continue to play I have noticed other balance issues. The plasma canon is basically the noob tube and with upgrades will one shot kill even a Devastator with Iron Halo as a perk. The blast radius is too large to effectively escape from. It's pretty much the noob tube of the game. The vengeance launcher I initially believed would be too hard to use and would never see much play but I've seen one guy just run around and constantly spam his R button to detonate the rounds, which kills you in two shots unless you're have Iron Halo.

The game has numerous minor balance issues on certain weapons. I hope relic patches the game to fix some of these problems. Today I've seen several matches devolve into nothing but Hammer Marines and Plasma launching Devs. It's not much fun.

ph34r wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:I would like to say the Lascannon/Plasma Cannon are problems.

Lascannon is a long range gun, akin to a sniper rifle. Yet it just doesn't kill someone in a hit to the head. In a beam.

Plasma Cannon, however, has a blast, kills Feel No Pain and Iron Halo on miss hits (for me, might be lag) and has enough ammo to be a serios problem, especially with certain perks.

Also, add one to Final Vengeance; getting kills for dying is, has been, and always will be, a stupid idea. I could see if it was "Kill Five People to power up a Farewell Gift", but being able to just fly in and die, getting a triple kill in the process, is just stupid.

A Lascannon hit to the head kills in one hit, I am fairly certain.

Hasn't been for me.... Maybe they are using Rule Shenanigans and taking their armor saves.....



Also, GUESS WHAT GUYS! I'm the Black and White Space Marine!

Lascannons are pretty stupid.

They shouldn't be able to Rapid-Fire like they can now..I've been hit by two shots within a half second of eachother..its just not fair.

I don't think the hammer is overly imbalanced, I didn't like using it because it was slow to swing, so I went back and used the axe. But yes final vengeance is dumb, they should nerf the damage.

Actually I got a better problem: NAT. Can someone PLEASE explain how I overcome this message?

For reference: I have the game on PS3. I keep recieving a message saying the NAT isn't set to Open and could prevent me from connecting to games... and so far I haven't connected to any games successfully.

The only problem I have with this game is the ridiculous matchmaking on PS3.

It takes me around 20-40 minutes to get into a game...

(...)

And yes Final Vengeance is stupid as hell.

Not many complaints, i think final vengeance should be toned down just a bit, its just martyrdom. Frags are also incredibly over powered, one at the foot of a POWER ARMORED SUPER HUMAN will kill him.

Also, Exterminautus needs to come out sooner!

One more for Final Vengeance!

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Actually I got a better problem: NAT. Can someone PLEASE explain how I overcome this message?

For reference: I have the game on PS3. I keep recieving a message saying the NAT isn't set to Open and could prevent me from connecting to games... and so far I haven't connected to any games successfully.

This is something you need to change in your router. You're NAT is likely set to closed, which can prevent certain kinds of connections and often makes online games laggy or difficult to connect to.

It's not a big problem, just roll away. I think I've been killed with it like 3 times max.

MrH wrote:It's not a big problem, just roll away. I think I've been killed with it like 3 times max.

Any perk that rewards a player for dying is a big deal.

Final vengeance. Thats really all.
It either needs to be seriously power nerfed, decrease range, or best yet just make it happen 1-2 seconds later. Id be fine with it if it gave you time to get away, because as of right now its close to impossible if youre playing a cc class.

MrH wrote:It's not a big problem, just roll away. I think I've been killed with it like 3 times max.

I've been stopped from getting a 7 kill streak because of it with a Heavy Bolter. You can't roll with a Devastator class.

Chowderhead wrote:

MrH wrote:It's not a big problem, just roll away. I think I've been killed with it like 3 times max.

I've been stopped from getting a 7 kill streak because of it with a Heavy Bolter. You can't roll with a Devastator class.

Not to mention if your meleeing (Which is a somehwat smart thing to do against a class that should be almost dead from your shooting), its impossible to roll away midswing.

Chowderhead wrote:

MrH wrote:It's not a big problem, just roll away. I think I've been killed with it like 3 times max.

I've been stopped from getting a 7 kill streak because of it with a Heavy Bolter. You can't roll with a Devastator class.

Devastators do some kind of bunny hope or something. Without that perk that blows back enemies when armor gets knocked out, they really have no defense in close combat against someone with a hint of sense. The foot slam works to slowly, and their kung fu kick is not easy to use. The hope and kick also aren't available when a bolter is locked down.

The lascanon and plasma canon might actually be better balanced if they had to lock down as well to be honest.

LordofHats wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

MrH wrote:It's not a big problem, just roll away. I think I've been killed with it like 3 times max.

I've been stopped from getting a 7 kill streak because of it with a Heavy Bolter. You can't roll with a Devastator class.

Devastators do some kind of bunny hope or something. Without that perk that blows back enemies when armor gets knocked out, they really have no defense in close combat against someone with a hint of sense. The foot slam works to slowly, and their kung fu kick is not easy to use. The hope and kick also aren't available when a bolter is locked down.

The lascanon and plasma canon might actually be better balanced if they had to lock down as well to be honest.

I disagree with the Lascannon, but completely agree with the Plasma Cannon.

Slarg232 wrote:I disagree with the Lascannon, but completely agree with the Plasma Cannon.

Yeah. More or less I don't think balance is bad. I'm surprised that in a class system they have it working so well, but of course there are things I would change. I think all the Devastator weapons should lock down (but the hope and melee should be available without releasing it. Plasma Cannon's charge damage should be nerfed or its blast radius heavily reduced (I think the damage is a better option). I'd reduce Lascannon rate of fire. I'd also bring up the bolter's power and decrease the storm bolters ranged accuracy just a little. Personally I also think the stalker could use a larger ammo reserve. I'd also just remove final vengeance because its a stupid idea and nerf the thunder hammer/daemon mace damage.

That's just me though. Maybe if Relic actually did it I'd find that it didn't really fix anything

Also, i think its annoying as all hell when you kill a player, and then they copy the class, even if they don't have the gear and kill you. For instance, a level 2 used my melta gun class after i killed him, they either need to remove that or make it a perk.

I've tried to like is multiplayer, so much...

But I can't... P2P sucks. It always, ALWAYS picks a gakky host, just like in the modern warfare crapfests. There's no redeeming feature about it. It's settling for less when there could have been so much more. The game itself is excellent and great fun, but the P2P ruins it time after time...

Every game I've gotten in after the second day has been gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after gakky host after horrible terrible host.