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this is both a 40k and fantasy question, so im gonna post this tread in both sections.

basically, is it possible for an orc to "tame" a juggernaut? the reason that i added the "" is there might be another way to control the juggernaut.

40k version:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/397535.page#3329590

I don't think so because according to the fluff even powerful chaos lords don't have it easy. There is just too much metal fire and angry for a green skin to handle.

Well...it is possible to tame a Juggernaut in direct confrontation. But I really doubt that an orc would be able to.

Yea they ain't nice happy ponnies that you just decide to tame.

No, Juggernaughts are insane fusions of metal and magic that (as cowpow said), even Chaos Lords struggle to keep under control.

Maybe if they painted it a different colour it wouldn't go as fast and they'd have more success at hanging on.

that, or the tribes great shaman fused some of the great green into the juggernaut for the warboss, thus makeing it less powerful (so it could count as a war boar).

Better bet then "taming" a juggernaught, is a Warboss receiving one as a "gift" from Khorne who is extremely pleased with the massive ammount of carnage the Warboss has caused (maybe even wiping out a Slaaneshi warband in the process).

I believe more to the point, a Daemon is a Daemon. They can't actually hang out in the world, they escape into it and are banished back periodically. It takes the continued favor of a Chaos God to keep daemon-like enhancements hanging around (unless it's a pure mutation).

But all Daemons have to eventually return to the Realm of Chaos. So it's not like you're just going to go picking flowers in a field and see a Jugg and train him over 10 years. Its a daemonic incursion for any daemon to break through.

And as said, they aren't animals. They are monsters. They are daemons. They have as much interest killing Orcs as any other non-chaos thing, maybe moreso since Orcs don't get corrupted much. They have to be gifted to someone and even then they have trouble with them. You can't train a Bloodletter to be your butler, either.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Maybe if they painted it a different colour it wouldn't go as fast and they'd have more success at hanging on.

You are mixing WHFB wiht 40k, there is no 'red ones go faster!!' in Fantasy...

gardeth wrote:Better bet then "taming" a juggernaught, is a Warboss receiving one as a "gift" from Khorne who is extremely pleased with the massive ammount of carnage the Warboss has caused (maybe even wiping out a Slaaneshi warband in the process).

Just no.

Orcs only fuel the Orc Gods, not Chaos, therefore will not receive gifts that only gifted (no pun intended) Chaos Lords can get hold of....

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Maybe if they painted it a different colour it wouldn't go as fast and they'd have more success at hanging on.

You are mixing WHFB wiht 40k, there is no 'red ones go faster!!' in Fantasy...

gardeth wrote:Better bet then "taming" a juggernaught, is a Warboss receiving one as a "gift" from Khorne who is extremely pleased with the massive ammount of carnage the Warboss has caused (maybe even wiping out a Slaaneshi warband in the process).

Just no.

Orcs only fuel the Orc Gods, not Chaos, therefore will not receive gifts that only gifted (no pun intended) Chaos Lords can get hold of....

Chaos gets around with just about anybody, but the Orc gods are pretty specific.

Just because there's no in-game rule concerning it does not mean that red-wunz-go-faster doesn't exist. It's a universal concept that originated in real life. It's also totally scientifically proven. I swear it.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Chaos gets around with just about anybody, but the Orc gods are pretty specific.

Come again?

The Orc Gods are fueled by the Orcs and noone else. They also do not fuel the Chaos Gods.....specific enough?

Just because there's no in-game rule concerning it does not mean that red-wunz-go-faster doesn't exist. It's a universal concept that originated in real life. It's also totally scientifically proven. I swear it.

BS (and i dont mean Ballistic Skill or any of the other things in the Dakka Glossary )

Also, there is a rule in 40k where 'da red onez go fasta!', there isnt in WHFB...

well. looks like that conversion idear is thrown in the trash can.

I dunno, just pretend its a crazy-a$$ Gork-blessed-BOAR!!!!!

Just orc-ify it a bit, should look fairly epic...

I only meant that it wouldnt be a Jugger from a Fluff perspective, model-wise you are golden

big mek crazygit wrote:well. looks like that conversion idear is thrown in the trash can.

all the fluff says no, the rules would onlh allow for a warboar/chariot proxy at best, but if you want to make a kick-ass conversion i say go for it

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Chaos gets around with just about anybody, but the Orc gods are pretty specific.

Come again?

The Orc Gods are fueled by the Orcs and noone else. They also do not fuel the Chaos Gods.....specific enough?

Just because there's no in-game rule concerning it does not mean that red-wunz-go-faster doesn't exist. It's a universal concept that originated in real life. It's also totally scientifically proven. I swear it.

BS (and i dont mean Ballistic Skill or any of the other things in the Dakka Glossary )

Also, there is a rule in 40k where 'da red onez go fasta!', there isnt in WHFB...

Calm down champ. It is apparent that you have a pale grasp of either background or humour, so I suggest you stop quoting and ranting at me. Chaos can turn its attention where it pleases. There were Khorne worshipping Orks, so why not Orcs?

What I said if you had bothered to read it is that 'red wunz go faster' didn't originate from Orks, it originated from real life. I actually acknowledged that there wasn't such a rule in Fantasy, although the triple-negative might have been a little confusing for you... and it was certainly poor grammatical form.

Insinuating that my opinion is bs is a breach of the holiest of Dakka laws, so I suggest you lighten up a bit.

cowpow16 wrote:I don't think so because according to the fluff even powerful chaos lords don't have it easy. There is just too much metal fire and angry for a green skin to handle.

ERRRRRR excuse me!!!! i believe an orc kicked your hardest guys ass!!!!!

If you want to have Jugs in an Orc army as part of your theme, go for it that sounds awesome! I did a similar theme for my 40k Ork army and i've had tons of positive responses and i had a blast making them.

The best part of the game is that no one should tell you, "Just no". There's always an explanation for whatever you can imagine, it's why i play Fantasy based games rather then historical ones.

Rule of cool my friends, rule of cool...

thanks for all the replies. i might kick my ass in gear, aquire the bloodcrushers from the daemons model range and sculpt the warbosses (with GS) or with bits.

Wow this got long but ya could be a sweet army.
You may just need to modify the warbosses legs and he won't be too hard to make.

Don't let anyone tell you that you can't model ANYTHING.

It's your hobby. You paid for it. If you want a Khorne possessed Orc on a Juggernaught, by golly, you build yourself that model.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Calm down champ. It is apparent that you have a pale grasp of either background or humour, so I suggest you stop quoting and ranting at me. Chaos can turn its attention where it pleases. There were Khorne worshipping Orks, so why not Orcs?

and yet my background in both is well defined and diverse...

Yes, Chaos can turn its attention anywhere, but it doesnt turn to Orcs (or Orks, since they are completely different these days. Chaos Orks were also retconned out as well fyi). Chaos turns its attentions to its own champions.

What I said if you had bothered to read it is that 'red wunz go faster' didn't originate from Orks, it originated from real life. I actually acknowledged that there wasn't such a rule in Fantasy, although the triple-negative might have been a little confusing for you... and it was certainly poor grammatical form.

i know what you wrote, i read it, but you insinuated that it was still applicable in this case because it originates in real life. Which is rubbish since neither 40k nor Fantasy are based on real life and is irrelevant in the discussion no?

yes, yes, you have attempted an insult based on my intelligence while making a grammatical mistake.... congratulations.

Insinuating that my opinion is bs is a breach of the holiest of Dakka laws, so I suggest you lighten up a bit.

Actually it isnt, and actually i wasnt. Its not your opinion that i was poo pooing though was it? it was your use of a real life concept that isnt proven AFAIK ( if there is proof, i would quite like to read it. link?), and that also isnt applicable in a Fantasy setting

Cottonjaw wrote:Don't let anyone tell you that you can't model ANYTHING.

It's your hobby. You paid for it. If you want a Khorne possessed Orc on a Juggernaught, by golly, you build yourself that model.

I think he was also implying (which it's why it's in this forum) is: does it make any sense.


Sure, you can model anything. I'm working on a conversion for Grimgor "Fancy Pants" Ironhide, Protector of the Unicorns, Silly Nancy Extraordinaire and Part-Time Yoga Instructor.

would a war boar be a suitable candidate for the juggernaut?

they both have the same movement, toughness and wound value, but the boar has worse WS, A and Ld, but higher I, whilst they have the same strength on the charge.

besides, they both confers better saves (though the juggernaut gives better than boar).

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Calm down champ. It is apparent that you have a pale grasp of either background or humour, so I suggest you stop quoting and ranting at me. Chaos can turn its attention where it pleases. There were Khorne worshipping Orks, so why not Orcs?

and yet my background in both is well defined and diverse...

Yes, Chaos can turn its attention anywhere, but it doesnt turn to Orcs (or Orks, since they are completely different these days. Chaos Orks were also retconned out as well fyi). Chaos turns its attentions to its own champions.

What I said if you had bothered to read it is that 'red wunz go faster' didn't originate from Orks, it originated from real life. I actually acknowledged that there wasn't such a rule in Fantasy, although the triple-negative might have been a little confusing for you... and it was certainly poor grammatical form.

i know what you wrote, i read it, but you insinuated that it was still applicable in this case because it originates in real life. Which is rubbish since neither 40k nor Fantasy are based on real life and is irrelevant in the discussion no?

yes, yes, you have attempted an insult based on my intelligence while making a grammatical mistake.... congratulations.

Insinuating that my opinion is bs is a breach of the holiest of Dakka laws, so I suggest you lighten up a bit.

Actually it isnt, and actually i wasnt. Its not your opinion that i was poo pooing though was it? it was your use of a real life concept that isnt proven AFAIK ( if there is proof, i would quite like to read it. link?), and that also isnt applicable in a Fantasy setting

Actually, what I suggested was that you stop ranting at me and perhaps just discuss the topic. Your insistent ignorance of even social standards is bewildering.

I think the idea of an orc that is attempting to wrest control of a Juggernaut, whether successfully or not, sounds awesome and well in line with O&G trademark humour. It'd make a cool diorama too. I don't think that a war boar is a good approximation in game terms, and on the other hand it'd be impractical in-game as you would be required to constrain it to a standard cavalry base. If you were to take Juggernauts as part of a daemonic pact in a Storm of Magic army, you MUST have orcs riding them!

I disagree that a Juggernaut would vanish in a puff of logic if an orc touched it. War boars and wyverns alike are far from domesticated and barely broken in, and I'm sure there are orcs crazy enough to jump on the back of a Jugger' and manage to hang on for a while! I doubt that orcs can really tame anything, come to think of it - they're barely able to take orders themselves.

cant i just use the base it comes with?

No you cant really have a Juggernaught but add a few cogs and other bits and you will be part way to a super cyber mega boar, perhaps using trike or war buggy rules?
A plain jugger does not fit too well but a model using the Jugger is the type of thing the hobby used to be about.
So less talkie more painty and lets see pics by this time next week.

dude. this isnt a showcase.

big mek crazygit wrote:dude. this isnt a showcase.

I said pics!
Dont make me come over there young man!

I was under the impression that "Khorne Cares not from where the blood flows, as long as it flows" So, while Orcs wouldn't directly serve Chaos, all the Violence they cause would indirectly so.

Perhaps I'm mistaken though.