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What is your opinion of Forgeworld, and their models?

They're amazing.

Yes, I have heard all about them. I actually am ordering a few, and hope they turn out good.

I love Forgeworld stuff. Been lucky in that everything I have ordered has been cast well though I know others have had bad experiences.

That's a fairly... broad question.

Generally, I love their models. They get more freedom than the studio to make models for units that would never see the light of day - see Sentinel powerlifters, Meiotic spore mines, cargo Gnarlocs, etc.

Rules-wise, they need to step it up a bit and update their rules for new codices. The Tyranid units are basically unuseable now - Stonecrusher Carnifexes and Malanthropes both have rules and options that are not in the new codex.

People also need to lighten up on the use of non-superheavy units. With a few exceptions (which can be counted on one hand), they're perfectly fine for normal play. Just let your opponent read the unit entry before playing.

Guess what !

Great stuff. Amazing detail. Worth the cost, the effort to put them together, and the waiting for them to arrive when you order them.)

Yes, the detail is great.

As a commission painter, I love painting FW models. They make it easier on the painter to heave to on the detail. However...I don't know that I am too fond of using them in-game. Too fragile.

Forge World is a kaleidoscope of differing methods, qualities and expertise. They are akin to a man of many faces – some beautiful, some ugly, some horrifying – so it really depends on what you want and when you want it as to how Forge World will appear in your mind.

Models – Generally speaking, and of course there’s no accounting for taste, Forge World models look great. They do some really fancy stuff, and while not everything will be a hit you can be assured that you’re going to get some very nice things out of them.

Quality – This is one of those ‘many face’ things I mentioned. You know the Failcast debacle? Well the goons at GW-proper responsible for the Failcast nonsense obviously did their training for that over at Forge World because my God do Forge World have a lot of miscasts. However, it’s not all black and white. Some of this is due to mould wear, others due to the fact that 6-7 years ago they weren’t as experienced with it as they are now. The older the model the more likely it is to be horrendous, but the newer models are usually quite well engineered. There are always exceptions, and they are getting better (miscasts aside), but just be wary if you’re ordering anything Pre-Macharius tanks. Also their QA is non-existent, so be prepared to heat things up to bend ‘em back.

The Company Itself – Forge World is a strange company that tends to operate in a very different manner to GW-proper. To start with, they (along with The Black Library) seem to understand the value of advertising and previews. Rather than keeping things a tight secret for no other reason than they hate the Internet, Forge World instead embraces the world at large, shows off their upcoming models with loving enthusiasm and generally wants to get all the information out there. As the same time, they tend to forget professionalism every now and again and act as if they were just a bunch of guys making models in a friend’s garage somewhere (this extends as far out as chronic stock shortages and elongated shipping times, combined with their lack of communication with customers). So, like with their quality, you get good and bad.

Rules – This is one area where everyone who’s read FW rules is in agreement: FW rules are mostly junk. They’re often overpriced and underpowered, and generally speaking they should never show up in a competitive list. This is why the way people react to them (without reading the rules) is often so funny. People are out-and-out afraid of fighting FW stuff because they fear it isn’t balanced. They’re right about most of them not being balanced, but they’re wrong in thinking that this imbalance will make them too powerful. Often it’s the reverse – they’re unbalanced, which is why they suck. There’s the odd overpowered unit that slips through without any real testing (Meiotic Spores, Cyclops Demo Vehicles), but for the most part FW units are more a liability to your army than an asset. Plus they have editing problems, moreso than GW, IA3 being the best example of this.

Overall I like Forge World. They do stuff that GW either doesn’t or won’t, they engage with their customer base on a regular basis rather than treating them like the enemy, and while their products (rules and models) aren’t always perfect they bring a lot of fun to the game (and that’s what it’s all about at the end of the day). Now if only most 40K players would drink some concrete, harden up, and realise that most FW units won’t run over their precious NetDeck armies in a single turn then maybe we’d start seeing more fun FW units (however useless) on the table.

Worglock wrote:Some others will use this thread to spew bile and hate at GW.

So... this is just you being proactive now is it? Figured you’d get your same old tired mantra about a ‘GW hate thread’ in before anyone really had a chance to respond. Why? Did you have somewhere you needed to be and couldn’t be sure you’d be back later to post the same damn post you post in every single thread?

More importantly i like the "spirit" embodied by FW.

They are experimenters, creators, visionaries that take 40k and familiar models to new places from a modelling/design perspective. The little details and design decisions that make for great kits/models.

Too bad GW design studios couldn't have/is'nt allowed to have half of the spirit and creative freedom that FW has. many of FW's kits should be official plastic kits in the main 40K line...

HBMC said it way, way better than me.

All the FW stuff I have ever bought has been top notch. It is pricey, but I also strongly endorse it other than that.

Great stuff for the most part I think, you get a lot more cool stuff that I don't think GW-central would touch because it wouldn't make the sales margins.

Some issues with QC, although they have been good with replacing faulty merchandise. Although a friend of mine spent a couple of months painting up the big bloodthirster model, only for the resin to bubble afterwards and ruin it. To be fair to FW they did replace the model, but that was scant consolation, a Nurgle Bloodthirster isn't going to carry much stock on the tabletop

Of course now they are doing so much Pre-Heresy stuff, which is either a godsend, or has taken a little of the magic out of it, depending on how you look at it. Personally, I think for the mk5 armour they make alone I would go with 'godsend'

I love Forge World. I used to own a FW Tau fleet for BFG, and more recently I bought a number of Salamanders custom Rhino bits and shoulder pads for my tactical marines. I'll probably splurge a little and buy a Praetor Assault Launcher because the model is just so amazing.

They fill in the 'hobbying' gap that GW neglects more often than not. Great kits, and the Imperial Armour series is very solid with some missions and rules for special characters. Forge World is what keeps me interested in playing 40k, basically.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

So... this is just you being proactive now is it? Figured you’d get your same old tired mantra about a ‘GW hate thread’ in before anyone really had a chance to respond. Why? Did you have somewhere you needed to be and couldn’t be sure you’d be back later to post the same damn post you post in every single thread?

I had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Worglock wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

So... this is just you being proactive now is it? Figured you’d get your same old tired mantra about a ‘GW hate thread’ in before anyone really had a chance to respond. Why? Did you have somewhere you needed to be and couldn’t be sure you’d be back later to post the same damn post you post in every single thread?

I had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Amazing content added to the thread, thank you for your contribution!

On topic, I have only bought one thing from FW, a multi melta Razorback turret that I stuck on a Landraider. The quality was damn near perfect, except for some minor surface blemishes that were easily taken care of with a hobby knife. I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are. Still, not a huge issue, it is easily fixed. I'm looking forward to getting a Contemptor dread and one of the new Landraiders soon.

nectarprime wrote:I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are.

Damn straight. Forgeworld needs to invent a shipping container that keeps items in a heat-free anti-gravity field, keeping them from suffering from heat and pressure during overseas voyages.

P.S. You know all resin models, from any supplier, that ships across the pond, will likely arrive with some degree of warping, right?

-Loki- wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are.

Damn straight. Forgeworld needs to invent a shipping container that keeps items in a heat-free anti-gravity field, keeping them from suffering from heat and pressure during overseas voyages.

P.S. You know all resin models, from any supplier, that ships across the pond, will likely arrive with some degree of warping, right?

Really now? Haven't heard a single thing about Scribor models coming warped. And I've read about a few instances of people in the UK receiving warped FW models. I think a better explanation is that most of FW's parts are demolded quickly, while they are still hot and on the soft side. But, that's an argument for another thread I still think FW stuff is great.

I have ordered some brass and transfers a few months ago, and they arrived in less than a week (from the UK to the US).

Ordered my first actual resin model last Thursday or Friday, arrived in the mail on Wednesday, so less than a week to ship across the pond.

Detail was good, maybe a little more flash and mold lines than I am used to, but easy to fix with a file and knife. But honestly, the detail is simply great.

FW does come at a price, they are a bit higher priced to begin with and the conversion rate does not help. But they are great for putting some personalized touches on your army.

Will you be fine if you go your entire hobby life without every ordering anything from them? Sure, nothing they sell is needed to play the game. But they are a great source for units that have rules but no models, chapter or army specific conversions, personalized touches, or any other version of fun you can come up with.

I am looking forward to ordering a dreadnought soon....I hope.

Love there models though i'm more into metal than resin but i can't fault their creative looks. I've only ordered once and unfortunately it was a bad experience, i'll see how next turn goes before i place judgement.

I ordered
3 x sets of salamander shoulder pads (fantastic no problems)
1 x grey knight vehicle gunner
1 x chaos vehicle gunner
1 x tyberos the red wake

The grey knight gunners shoulder pads were horrible and needed returning. Tyberos was the worst though. His terminator head was basically a mismolded glunky pile of resin and the lightning claw on 1 arm was twisted spagetti and unuseable. I was disappointed due to the distance it travelled (australia) and the fact that the packets they dispatch them in are clear see through so you'd think some sort of quality control quick check would of stopped that, i mean from a quick glance you could tell he was crap. What really annoyed me though was that they requested a photo so i sent it then they rejected the photo saying we want a higher mp one just to prove the point... 7 days later they finally dispatched the parts. So while in the end i got what i wanted i think they should improve the quality checks on it a little. My brother had stuff in the same order a librarian and 10 troops. so all in all there were 2 / 7 items faulty which is higher than 10% (28.7% actually). As i said though i'll reserve judgement until next order.

Got.

Luft Huron
Rex and Retinue x 2
Thunderhawk gunship
Medusa
Sentinal Powerlifter

All are fine, no warpage. Only thing I think is a bit disappointing is the lack of directions for the larger models. My wife bought 2 pylons, 2 railgun battlesuits and a sensor tower. All were fine, minor warping.

Worglock wrote:New and interesting thread is new and interesting.

Some people really like ForgeWorld. Some others will use this thread to spew bile and hate at GW.

I like to call this "preheating the oven".

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Forge World is interesting. They make a lot of really terrific kits with fantastic quality. However, the customer service is a little poor. They have QC that leaves much to be desired. Some of the molds, the older ones, will deliver mediocre quality castings. The onus is on the customer to then follow up with FW for a replacement. While they are generally good about getting replacements out, this experience is not "good customer service".

Their rules are all over the place. Some are over the top fantastic, some are dubious at best. I don't see that many kits where the rules are "about right", in my opinion, but the Necron Tomb Stalker is definitely one of them.

If you can afford them, and have the patience to deal with fixing their quality, they make for very nice kit.

Ouze wrote:

Worglock wrote:New and interesting thread is new and interesting.

Some people really like ForgeWorld. Some others will use this thread to spew bile and hate at GW.

I like to call this "preheating the oven".

I like to call it "welcome to the ignore list". Worglock's nonsense is little more than spam now.

nectarprime wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are.

Damn straight. Forgeworld needs to invent a shipping container that keeps items in a heat-free anti-gravity field, keeping them from suffering from heat and pressure during overseas voyages.

P.S. You know all resin models, from any supplier, that ships across the pond, will likely arrive with some degree of warping, right?

Really now? Haven't heard a single thing about Scribor models coming warped. And I've read about a few instances of people in the UK receiving warped FW models. I think a better explanation is that most of FW's parts are demolded quickly, while they are still hot and on the soft side. But, that's an argument for another thread I still think FW stuff is great.

No offense, but I think a better explaination is you're basing your opinion off a small sample of people rather than, well, everything else.

Scibor stuff definitely does warp. It's resin. Heat and pressure cause warping. However, ht has the benefit of his character models being rather, well, thick for their size. Parts that warp are parts that are long and thin, like barrels, swords, etc. Same with resin bases - they don't warp much because they're quite thick and short. Saying someone makes models with a resin that doesn't warp is like saying they've found the casting holy grail.

Can we agree that there are different resins that are used, some of which are soften and thus more inclined to warp then others?

I haven't gotten any warped Ramshackle Games parts that were warped, as he used a resin that is stiffer (and more brittle). I've gotten lots of FW parts that were warped just because it's softer. I can't complain about warping, as that's just the nature of the medium.

Oh absolutely. And yes, warped resin is just going to happen, and knowing how to fix it is essential to working with it. And accepting that you'll get warped resin will save you a lot of headaches.

-Loki- wrote:Scibor stuff definitely does warp. It's resin. Heat and pressure cause warping.

It's not just resin that does that. I've had warped plastic parts.

I've got resin from a lot of companies, and the only ones that required a lot of cleaning were Micro-Art Studios and Forge World. The only company where I've had significant warping, the kind you get when you take something out of the mould too quickly (because you're acting like a garage business owner rather than a wing of a professional miniature manufacturer) are from Forge World.

Hey, you know what we haven't talked about yet? The Imperial Armour books.

I only own one book, Imperial Armour 8. I love this book. It's heavy, and just feels like it's well made. It has a rich book smell, and that kind of semi-matte finish I love. It was very expensive, and I felt like it was worth every penny. The art is good, and the story is nice. There are all sorts of neat new toys in there, and a lot of just plain fun stuff. I'm not too interested in running the campaign, but absolutely love the "build your own stompa" rules, and the grot tanks, and that sort of stuff.

I've got IA1 through 6. I think they're great ('cept IA6, which is an expensive advertisement for the Reaver Titan kit).