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Wow, and I've heard great reviews about FW....

I was nervous when I first ordered from FW (back in 08) due to all the comments of QA issues but have yet to have any real problems. And this is after

1) 90+ Elysian Drop Troops
2) 3 Elysian Sentinels
3) Vulture
4) Valkyrie
5) 2 EC deadnaughts
6) LR extra armor
7) Mars pattern Leman Russ
8) Vanquisher turret
9) 3/2 Chimer/Leman Russ Track guards

And this is only that start. I can't wait for tax season to order more. I plan on getting a warhound when I make Sargent.

Ogryn wrote:Wow, and I've heard great reviews about FW....

Ogryn, are you secretly FW's owner or something?

'YMMV' I think is the most suitable reply to your original answer. Most likely you won't have a problem, if you do you break out the hairdryer or get a free replacement!

Ogryn wrote:Wow, and I've heard great reviews about FW....

Hit and miss. Want to see what happened to my Heirophant?

This is a miscast inside the head joint.


This is a miscast inside the torso.


The squishy bits of the front legs were all filled in (I don't have a photo of it).

The head joint and torso were fixable. An hour with my Dremel and the head fits (but will need some green stuff to fill the gaps) and the inner torso is more hollowed out, but it won't be seen when it's built anyway. The legs needed complete replacement.

@Pacific: Shh, don't tell anyone......

@-Loki-: Sorry about your Heirophant...did you get a replacement?

As I said, I got replacement front legs. The problems with the head and torso were solved with an hour of grinding away with my Dremel, since it was an inner part of the torso that won't be seen once built and painted, and the head was just an issue with resin filling the joint area. Also one of the eyes, but I fixed that myself as well.

The front legs had very obvious detail obscured. So I contacted them for a replacement. The best part is I contacted them 8 months after getting the model. I got it for Christmas last year. They just asked for the batch number, which of course, my Heirophant didn't have (it didn't have the batch sticker on the bag). I gave them the batch numbers of everything else in the order, and they sent me the replacement legs.

I've just had a Forgeworld order as a present.

The Wave serpent turret looks very nice, and seem to have no warping or bubbles in it. Assembly is a mystery, but doesn't look too difficult.

The best bit was the Modelling Masterclass book.
It's not that thick, and costs what you'd expect for a GW hardback book.
But, the tips in there look great.
Each step is laid out in clear pictures, and there's a lot of description on the techniques used.

I've not tried following anything from it yet, but the shopping list in the front looks interesting. Hairspray gets a lot of use in that book.

Skinnereal wrote:Assembly is a mystery...

And that is one of the drawbacks of Forge World. Seldom do they have instructions for their kits. Usually they have a parts list and some shots of the completed model and that's it.

Skinnereal wrote:The best bit was the Modelling Masterclass book.
It's not that thick, and costs what you'd expect for a GW hardback book.
But, the tips in there look great.
Each step is laid out in clear pictures, and there's a lot of description on the techniques used.

I've not tried following anything from it yet, but the shopping list in the front looks interesting. Hairspray gets a lot of use in that book.

Just to be clear, is this the book referenced?

Yep, that's the one. Got carried away typing the title

I think HBMC recommended that book to me a while back and I never picked it up. Perhaps... perhaps today will be the day.

Just recieved my warhound last week, and I must say I am very pleased. With the exception of a few mould slip incidents the whole of the model is very clean. Just some general filing and sanding to do before assembly/painting.

I think FW capture the 40K universe as a more grimdark place than GW does. Their miniatures are great to assemble and paint, and their background is top notch. I would have started a DKoK army if I was't a student with limited money and time.

Breotan wrote:

Skinnereal wrote:Assembly is a mystery...

And that is one of the drawbacks of Forge World. Seldom do they have instructions for their kits. Usually they have a parts list and some shots of the completed model and that's it.

Yeah. For anyone considering a more 'complex' model from Forgeworld, let me show you something.



This here is my Heirophant right out of the box. Notice how many fething bits are in the kit. Notice all the fething flash and resin pipes. See those 'blocks'? Each of those have around 5-10 spikes on them that need to be attached to various places on the body. See those straight bits attached to another block? Those are the lash whips, which you need to actually drill holes into the torsoe to attach.

The instructions I got? A part list and a shot of the completed model.

Have fun.

Just for fun, I took this shot, which is a size comparison of the torsoe to a Carnifex.

I haven't ordered any of their stuff myself but I've been thinking of ordering the Ork Kommando bits pack. I also think Elysians are some of the coolest models in 40K, but the price puts me off a bit at the moment. What I particularly like about Elysians is that they show a side to the varying levels of technology and types of tactics tactics in the Guard that perhaps isn't always emphasised so much. I've also had several games incorporating the Imperial Strongpoint board and I do think playing on a cool-looking board like that made the games even more enjoyable.

Ouze wrote:I think HBMC recommended that book to me a while back and I never picked it up. Perhaps... perhaps today will be the day.

The Modeling Masterclass is a stupidly good book, and has a permanent spot on my modeling reference shelf with FSM, Osprey's Modeling Masterclass, and the Testor's Modeling Masterclass as well.

The only thing I do not like about it is that it is a hardback, in the vein of a normal book.
Why is this a problem? It's not easy to reference it while you're working. If you have a big enough workspace, it's not a problem or if you take pictures of the page you need on a smartphone and reference those whilst you work.

It might just 'my' issue though, as I like having reference photos while I work.

I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

And looking at those Hierophant pics... yeah... there's a reason I'm never ordering one of those, and it' ain't because of the flash. It's because that massive thing is held up on four thin spikes. It's entire weight is meant to be held up buy four joints. Outside of drilling into it and putting some copper rod in there, it won't stay, and that's assuming the rest of it doesn't break on those tiny spikey 'feet'.

There's actually a note that says something to the effect of 'due to the nature of the model, it should be pinned to a base'.

It's actually not necessary. With some acrylic rods with rubber stoppers on top, you can make a kind of flying base for the model. Have two that sit inside the inner torsoe, and two that sit beneath the belly. They will hold the weight and hold it stable during a game.

This also removes the need to drill holes into the body. Well, aside from the lashwhip holes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

Yeah, I wound up googling it and it was someone else. But now I have several people saying it was really great.

If i could simply order it on Amazon, I would have long since done so.

Much lol's at that comparison shot of the heirophant or whatever to the Carnifex. That's really quite the model. I had no idea it was so huge, that's what she said.

Thought I'd throw this in here.

Are Malcador's all older kits that might be a little dodgy or have they been re-worked/mastered/wizarded so that they aren't such a gamble?

+1 to the "master class book is great" crowd, one of my favourite FW products as well

Ouze wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

Yeah, I wound up googling it and it was someone else. But now I have several people saying it was really great.

If i could simply order it on Amazon, I would have long since done so.

If you're worried about the cost of ordering it from FW, you can actually get it from Games Workshop's website, here.

O snap, I forgot you could order them there. Nice.

Personally love the look of FW stuff,

Only own IA8 so far since I'm considering starting an elysian army or a mek dread army. Flicked threw the masterclass book its really nice.

One of the things I dont like about FW (besides the cost) is that there postage is 12% for everything in the uk. Personally think this is an odd way of doing things

For my elysians 1000 points list I may as well throw in another squad or something just to get free postage...

If you like Elysians might I recommend the IA 3 book? Bloody awesome book, great story, and the Elysians feature a lot in it (in a very cool way).

Shame the Elysians are such a deadly combination of awesome looking models yet are wallet-tearingly expensive!

Pacific wrote:If you like Elysians might I recommend the IA 3 book? Bloody awesome book, great story, and the Elysians feature a lot in it (in a very cool way).

Shame the Elysians are such a deadly combination of awesome looking models yet are wallet-tearingly expensive!

Thank you for the recommendation, might pick it up in a few weeks, need to get the army sorted first.

Yea there beautiful looking models, I'm planning on making about a 1000 - 1500 point list with them, then using that list as a core for a guard army, with some changes to it.

Just need to come up with a nice scheme.

Edit: some of there stuff isnt too much more expensive, sentinels are only £3 more expensive, and tauros arent that dear. Just the troops are soo damn expensive

Better yet, why not pick up IA8?

The Elysians are the focus of it, alongside of the Raven Guard Chapter.

The list within it is also 'up to date' versus the IA3 book which is two editions old.

Kanluwen wrote:Better yet, why not pick up IA8?

The Elysians are the focus of it, alongside of the Raven Guard Chapter.

The list within it is also 'up to date' versus the IA3 book which is two editions old.

But all the Elysian Fluff is in IA3!

jokes aside, IA8 is a great purchase for Elysian players. Not so much for Raven Guard, there's only about 4 pages about them excluding the storyline. If you want the Elysian background like the Krieg background found in IA5, get IA3.

Already have IA8

Would just pick up IA3 just for the fluff, but not for a while.

Yea IA8 seems like a great book so far, the ork stuff really makes me want to start a death skullz army but have to resist.

Am I right in thinking that elysians will feature in IA11? Swear I seen them mentioned on pics from FW gd seminar?

They're going to be in IA11, but it seems that Cadians are gonna be the 'stars' alongside of the Space Wolves.