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Made in gb
Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine






I'm finally managing to refine down my army:

Archon w/Ghostplate, PGL, huskblade, soultrap

goes with


4 incubi, venom w/splintercannon

9 mandrakes (probably a unit of 4 and 5 for maximum havoc)

10 wyches, 2 wych weapons (shardnet and hydra gauntlets) inc Hekatrix w/Agoniser
in a Raider

10 wyches, 2 wych weapons (shardnet and hydra gauntlets) inc Hekatrix w/Agoniser
in a Raider

6 reaver jetbikes w/ 2 grav talons (again possibly 2 units of 3)

Ravager w/ Flickerflield

Ravager w/ Flickerflield

C&C is welcome. I could drop the mandrakes and I'll have 20 kabalite warriors to play with too. (blaster-trueborn in venom?) I am tempted to swap out the archon for lady malys but I think the PGL and huskblade will make the incubi unit more killy.
   
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Sinewy Scourge




Grand ol US of A

I would make the mandrake/warrior swap. 5 guys with a blaster in a venom w/2 SC is really pretty good. I would try to get 4+ troops in since that will be 2/3 of the games you want to play. I would also drop the archon altogether for a haemonculus or 2. Drop a wych and the hydras in each squad for the haemys, and bulk the Incubi to 5.
If you are dead against the haemys or for the archon then give him an agoniser instead of the huskblade/soul trap. It is more reliable if big nasty MCs show up. Also instead of the ghostplate give him a shadowfield. The way you have the reavers kitted out is as harrasers. Thats how I use 'em. Honestly though I'd drop them for another squad of warriors kitted out like the other squad I suggested. Also try and get flickers on the Raiders and Ravagers.

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Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne






Dorset, UK

In my experience, your Archon would be much better off with the Wyches instead of the Incubi, Their inv saves really help his survivability. If you put the Archon with the Incubi you'll probably just flatten an enemy unit as soon as you charge it, and then be left in the open to be shot at in your opponents turn.

IMO Mandrakes are never worth taking, the models may be sexy, but they just arent a good unit.

The wyches are pretty standard, as long as the transports have flickerfields, you're all sorted there.

Your Ravagers, again, are perfect.

I've never used the Grav talon option on reavers before, so cant comment really. I normally run a unit of 6 with 2 heat lances or a unit of 6 with 2 cluster caltrops. They're okay, but they die very easily. If they take the lances they pretty much turn into a "fly at the biggest vehicle on the board and hope it dies" unit, the clusters are good for hopping between bits of cover and cutting stuff up. I'd give the 3 stars, good, but nothing special.

   
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Lethal Lhamean






Venice, Florida

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Phototoxin wrote:Archon w/Ghostplate, PGL, huskblade, soultrap

goes with


4 incubi, venom w/splintercannon

Personally, I think this unit is a bit too...effective for 1250. Pretty much there's almost nothing they will meet that they won't buzzsaw through, and that leaves them open for being shot to pieces. Also, quite frankly, only 2 Troop choices is kinda a poor idea in my opinion - you're burning a lot of points in other slots and 40k is really a game about Troops. As such, immediate first thoughts are just getting ol' Archon here in with some Wyches...but we'll be talking about all the other slots that are possible dumps too

9 mandrakes (probably a unit of 4 and 5 for maximum havoc)

Maximum havoc? Of having a...weaker Space Marine Scout come and threaten you? One without shooting or, y'know, *grenades*. Sorry for the spite but I personally believe Mandrakes are pretty much the second worst unit in the codex. They're really no good at what they're supposed to do, and the one thing they are good at (that cool shooting attack) you need to work at (read that: buy a Haemon and pair him with them somehow for pain tokens) to even get going. I'm really not a fan of these guys, and think any list can be made better by dropping them off it.

10 wyches, 2 wych weapons (shardnet and hydra gauntlets) inc Hekatrix w/Agoniser
in a Raider

I have a vague desire to see Haywire Grenades and flickerfields on these. My big "issue" with them is the shardnet. A shardnet is awesome - but it is built to help Wyches tarpit/deal with walkers. Lacking haywire grenades you're clearly not dealing with any Dreads coming your way, and with 10 Wyches + Hydra I really am *pretty* sure this unit isn't built to tarpit much. I'd like to see the net become FFs or another gauntlet or something, I think it would focus the unit better.

6 reaver jetbikes w/ 2 grav talons (again possibly 2 units of 3)

Pretty neutral on these - they'd be another easy dump to my mind, and that's for a few reasons. Before I tell you why you should dump them let me at least say I think you're quite smart to want to split them into units of 3. They'll be harder to kill and will provide you more options overall.

Now, why should you dump them?

1. You have 20 Wyches, a squad of Incubi, and an Archon - how much more anti-infantry do you really think you need?
2. If you wanted to keep them I'd probably want them to have lances or blasters.
3. They're pretty expensive - and aren't doing anything a Troop slot couldn't do for you (seriously, some Warriors in a Venom would be as good/better for killing infantry)

Ravager w/ Flickerflield

Ravager w/ Flickerflield

Ravalicious.

I am tempted to swap out the archon for lady malys but I think the PGL and huskblade will make the incubi unit more killy.

If you're taking Incubi at this level you are, to my mind, obligated to get them the PGL.
That said, note how many points you free up by dropping them and the PGL - it gives you a lot more options, that's one of their drawbacks in a list this small.

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Made in gb
Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine






Thanks everyone!
*sends minions with 500 souls to each*

I know there's only 2 troops which is an issue. Essentially I'm trying to use stuff I have/that will be in battleforces (eg 2 radiers 6 bikes, 20 warriors 20 wyches. and 10 incubi and 10 mandrakes that I already have (metal... so if i want them in future I don't need to worry about failca$t!)

The wych weapons I can change around - they all cost the same points.

I can put 5 warriors w/blaster in a venom with SC and take it times two.

Also for the reavers I meant cluster calthrops not grav talon! However I can give them blasters instead. Thinking about it I really do need more anti-tank and the blasters are cheaper!

5 Warriors w/blaster in Venom w/SC

5 Warriors w/blaster in Venom w/SC

10 wyches, 2 wych weapons (shardnet and hydra gauntlets) inc Hekatrix w/Agoniser
in a Raider

10 wyches, 2 wych weapons (shardnet and hydra gauntlets) inc Hekatrix w/Agoniser
in a Raider

That leaves me 188 points to get a hq to stick somewhere. If I take 2 Haemys for the wyches (dropping the 10th wych and 2nd wych wep) then that's 128 left (118 if I give them a each venom blade) I could potentially squeeze in another venom with 5 warriors and a blaster or else something small so as not to turn it too spammy! The wyches could have haywire grenades (dropping me down to 92points) but what to get with that? (wracks? 4 Incubi and a moped? )

3 reaver jetbikes w/ blaster

3 reaver jetbikes w/ blaster

Ravager w/ Flickerflield

Ravager w/ Flickerflield


really do wish we played 1500 locally...
   
 
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