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This thread can not help but begin with a massive disclaimer. Let's keep it clean and attempt to have a legitimate discussion about sexuality without it going anywhere un-Dakka-fied.

I'm assuming that the vast majority of users on this site identify as straight males, but regardless of orientation, how do you see sexuality? How significant is it to your daily life and do you feel it would be terribly different if you preferred another gender? Do you think people inherently have preferences or are they born out of environment and conditioning? We hear a lot about bullying as related to homosexuality and suicide; do you believe the two are related or is the sexual preference a side note?

I'll unashamedly peg myself knee-deep in psychosis, but I don't plan on changing it until I get bored or it starts to hurt someone. I know who I am and what I like but I don't believe I necessarily would have ended up with my particular set of likes and dislikes without certain environmental factors kicking in. I personally see some people who try to defend their preference so hard that you can't help but question whether they're trying to prove it to themselves as well. On the same level, I have always felt like I was repressing certain aspects of my personality (namely a fair amount of femininity) in the early years of my life. I have to default to the somewhat cliche stance that sexuality is fluid and evolves overtime for whatever reason, as nothing else makes sense to me. Anyone who's old have any wisdom to spread here?

This will not end well.

However I personally see sexuality as a self imposed restriction.

Straight male, if you all wanted to know.

corpsesarefun wrote:This will not end well.

However I personally see sexuality as a self imposed restriction.

Then again, if you were presented with something really bizarre and weren't into it, you wouldn't call that a "self-imposed restriction" would you? Adult Babies are one of the ones that still evade me and creep me out. Obviously there is some degree of hard-wiring for most people or else it wouldn't be that way.

If you remove someones inhibitions completely they are likely into everything you throw at them.

Straight but after having been propositioned by several gay gentlemen I can't help but feel I give out a different vibe...
I'm good with that though...

Not going to lie mate, even on skype you do kind of give off that vibe.

Ahh well...
There are worse things than seeming gay.

THIS. WILL. NOT. END. WELL.
And about my sexuality, guess.

I personally have never found penis to be attractive... mine or anyone else's. I believe the science, and that points to genetics and testosterone level in your mothers womb.


Did you know the later you are in a line of siblings the more likely you are to be LGBT? Its something like 17% increase in the third child and later.

Straight here. I don't think homosexuality is wrong, I just think its weird. I mean, I understand the emotional/psychological aspects of it (the people I'm closest with on this earth are male, I suppose you could say that I 'love' them, but I don't want to sleep with them, does that make me gay?), its the physical attraction I just don't understand....

As a social Pariah (The 40k kind. I literally don't register to people.), all I can say is that I don't care, whatsoever.

Do whatever you're going to do. More power to you.

corpsesarefun wrote:If you remove someones inhibitions completely they are likely into everything you throw at them.

I used to believe this, but there are some things like, say, putting your hand into fire or approaching snakes which our bodies themselves think are bad ideas.

@purplefood: Why purple, huh? I'm kidding. It's interesting to me being on both sides to hear gay used as an insult and how it just doesn't seem like a bad thing to me at all now. What exactly do people find threatening about it?

And this will end just fine! We need an intelligent opposed point here.

corpsesarefun wrote:If you remove someones inhibitions completely they are likely into everything you throw at them.

I strongly disagree that. I don't find men attractive at all. I can't see any scenario where I'd be in a man/man "situation". (Nothing wrong with it if that floats your boat, but it isn't for me.) I can certainly appreciate a guy that works out and has a toned body because I realize how much work and dedication it must take. But I still don't have any compulsion for physical contact.

Cannerous,

You ask some very interesting questions in that first post. I think it would take a Ph.D. in Psychology with a specialty in human sexuality to even have a chance at getting any of those questions right. Or even half right.

"We hear a lot about bullying as related to homosexuality and suicide; do you believe the two are related or is the sexual preference a side note?"

What are you asking here? Is homosexuality and suicide related?
If so, I don't think it's neccessarily related. There are plenty of cases of heterosexual kids that commit suicide after years of bullying. There's also the peer pressure to be straight, not being able to deal with the stress from parents that don't understand that their kid is homosexual (trying to fix little Johnny's problem and make him straight) and so on.

I'm certainly no expert, though. I have no data to back any of that up.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:If you remove someones inhibitions completely they are likely into everything you throw at them.

I used to believe this, but there are some things like, say, putting your hand into fire or approaching snakes which our bodies themselves think are bad ideas.

@purplefood: Why purple, huh? I'm kidding. It's interesting to me being on both sides to hear gay used as an insult and how it just doesn't seem like a bad thing to me at all now. What exactly do people find threatening about it?

And this will end just fine! We need an intelligent opposed point here.

I don't find it threatening myself but i can understand why a fairly standard man would find it a bit odd. People never really think about the social restrictions men face, admittedly they pale compared to physical restrictions (inability to vote and such) but they are still big ones.

Clthomps wrote:Did you know the later you are in a line of siblings the more likely you are to be LGBT? Its something like 17% increase in the third child and later.

I need the source for this because I find it very intriguing.

chaos0xomega wrote:Straight here. I don't think homosexuality is wrong, I just think its weird. I mean, I understand the emotional/psychological aspects of it (the people I'm closest with on this earth are male, I suppose you could say that I 'love' them, but I don't want to sleep with them, does that make me gay?), its the physical attraction I just don't understand....

I feel the same about being reserved around either If I can explain it this way at all accurately, it's like someone saying they like Dark Eldar but not Chaos Marines whereas I could enjoy either for their differences. For someone to say they don't like either just makes me wonder what they're missing and that I'm getting (not implying ones is better than the other).

@kronk: I'm not looking for a "right" answer, just discussion. I like intelligent (even clean) discussion about this sort of thing and I've been jonesing and thought I'd get the pulse here. I'm so rarely around this many straight people in anyone place anymore (internetically speaking).

Cannerus, you sir confudle me

On another note, I live by this philosophy:
"with this level of cuteness, gender means diddly squat."

That's the thing, I just have no interest in guys. I don't think there's any real societal inhibitions there; guys just aren't something I see and think, "I want to feth that."

It's about as natural a desire for me as trying to eat a doorknob would be. I don't stare at the handle to my bedroom door and think, "FOOD!" At least, not often.

daedalus wrote:That's the thing, I just have no interest in guys. I don't think there's any real societal inhibitions there; guys just aren't something I see and think, "I want to feth that."

It's about as natural a desire for me as trying to eat a doorknob would be. I don't stare at the handle to my bedroom door and think, "FOOD!" At least, not often.

Ah see. I can see why a guy would be attractive to girls but i wouldn't want to shag 'em.

When it comes to sex w/ men (and anal sex with women), all what I can think is: "But they poop from there."

purplefood wrote:
Ah see. I can see why a guy would be attractive to girls but i wouldn't want to shag 'em.

Absolutely. I recognize features that I understand would be ones women would be interested in, but they just don't evoke emotion for me. It's about as exciting (in that regard) as reading an automobile manual.

Okay, for everyone who isn't attracted to men, is the presence of another man a libido killer completely (leaving out any interaction), or is it more a person of that gender being the focus that clashes with your sense of "that's not right"-ness?

@chaos: That particular one seems to be a hang up for a lot of people. I used to be in the same boat, but anything's more normal the more you're around it.

daedalus wrote:

purplefood wrote:
Ah see. I can see why a guy would be attractive to girls but i wouldn't want to shag 'em.

Absolutely. I recognize features that I understand would be ones women would be interested in, but they just don't evoke emotion for me. It's about as exciting (in that regard) as reading an automobile manual.

Yeah i agree...

kronk wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:If you remove someones inhibitions completely they are likely into everything you throw at them.

I strongly disagree that. I don't find men attractive at all. I can't see any scenario where I'd be in a man/man "situation". (Nothing wrong with it if that floats your boat, but it isn't for me.) I can certainly appreciate a guy that works out and has a toned body because I realize how much work and dedication it must take. But I still don't have any compulsion for physical contact.

I'm a subscriber to the idea that personality in all its forms is a purely social construct and that without personality there is little remaining in a person other than the will to survive and raw hedonism.

By a social construct I mean something pieced together by yourself and those you interact with to better interact with people (including yourself), a patchwork that is constantly reworked and rarely shown all at once if you will.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Okay, for everyone who isn't attracted to men, is the presence of another man a libido killer completely (leaving out any interaction), or is it more a person of that gender being the focus that clashes with your sense of "that's not right"-ness?

The presence of another man is a Libido killer for me. Nothing to do with "right or wrong".

Adult movies:
M/F = fine
F/F = fine
M/M = does nothing for me.

kronk wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Okay, for everyone who isn't attracted to men, is the presence of another man a libido killer completely (leaving out any interaction), or is it more a person of that gender being the focus that clashes with your sense of "that's not right"-ness?

The presence of another man is a Libido killer for me. Nothing to do with "right or wrong".

Adult movies:
M/F = fine
F/F = fine
M/M = does nothing for me.

M/F/M =?
do you like a female sandwich

Depends.

Is it in the kitchen?

kronk wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Okay, for everyone who isn't attracted to men, is the presence of another man a libido killer completely (leaving out any interaction), or is it more a person of that gender being the focus that clashes with your sense of "that's not right"-ness?

The presence of another man is a Libido killer for me. Nothing to do with "right or wrong".

Adult movies:
M/F = fine
F/F = fine
M/M = does nothing for me.

What about M/M/F? That still a libido killer or is it when purely males?

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Okay, for everyone who isn't attracted to men, is the presence of another man a libido killer completely (leaving out any interaction), or is it more a person of that gender being the focus that clashes with your sense of "that's not right"-ness?

@chaos: That particular one seems to be a hang up for a lot of people. I used to be in the same boat, but anything's more normal the more you're around it.

this is getting very personal vey fast.

and yes, it is.

I for one could never do a devils threesome, If theres another male, I'm out (more precisely, he's out).