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Frazzled wrote:
I don't care. Just stay the hell off my lawn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mUP3A9imOYU#t=218s this may be applicable.

I'm straight but I have my own idea of what makes a guy handsome or not, but I don't think I would ever be sexually aroused by it. I have no problem with the LBGT people.

Since I don't know, may I ask why I was called sick

You said if it's cute bang it, so I posted a picture of a kitten.

oh.

Manchu wrote:I don't think terms like "heterosexual" and "homosexual" and "bisexual" are too relevant to what people actually feel. I think these categories arise more for the sake of politics than trying to understand human sexuality.

That makes sense and is a good way to look at it.
it's not necessary to classify yourself... but it generally just gives a "direction".
Sexuality is a lot more than just orientation, anyway...

Amphsix wrote:
I don't think bisexuals are completely blind to gender either.. but the idea that one can love both sexes equally, is quite beautiful I must say
Still, doesn't make straights or gays any more close minded.

I've seen either end of the bi spectrum before, from the dedicated pansexual that would always describe people from the inside out, to the bi-est of them all that could identify and thrive off the differences between the genders just for that (I'm not far from here fwiw). Even amongst the bis, there's a huge amount of diversity that I find fascinating. In my experience those that already fit outside the norm slip into other labels outside the norm much more easily though (i.e. some who identifies as bi is more likely to later identify as gay or trans than someone who identifies as straight).

Sex is a lot more than just orientation, anyway...

Jeez you really are a woman. Men just have an on/off switch.

I once met a homosexual who was very depressed that in order to be a part of the homosexual community at our university he was expected to talk and act and think a certain way, all of which didn't line up with how he actually behaved or thought. It's bizarre to think that you could take one aspect of your life, especially something as circumstantial as sexual attraction, and make your entire life about it. But gay people have been treated that way (people thought they were awful people because they wanted to have sex with someone of the same gender). It's just a pity that this gay movement has in some ways adopted that same style, making everything about being gay. I bet some gay people would even feel guilty if they started to be attracted to people of the opposite gender.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
(i.e. some who identifies as bi is more likely to later identify as gay or trans than someone who identifies as straight).

I think that's got a lot to do with that fact that people with differing orientations from the norm generally think about it a lot more. The thought and time they put into it sometimes leads to a "final" conclusion. Even though I'm not convinced sexuality is always rigid and changes all the time.

Jeez you really are a woman. Men just have an on/off switch.

I laughed at that. Good point. XD

As long as you have your dice, tape measure, rulebook, and models, I couldn't care less about your sexuality.

That being said, some of my favorite anime are gay.

Anime are notoriously... I mean.. -deliciously- gay...


uhm....

Manchu wrote:I bet some gay people would even feel guilty if they started to be attracted to people of the opposite gender.

I run into this all the time. The world of gay politics is no different than any other group with a sense of exclusivity. I have to bat for both sides a large portion of the time, and even get a fair amount of hate for going both ways because "I'm just being greedy." People can be ridiculous. The gayest people I know have been with the opposite side at least once, many of them having a kid or two also.

When I said that my favorite anime are gay, I meant romance between two males, my avatar is of the two main characters of junjou romantica, which has a third series coming soon apparently.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:The world of gay politics is no different than any other group with a sense of exclusivity.

How did people looking for liberation ever stumble upon these categories of guilt and expectation? I mean, it has to be a rhetorical question but it's no less sad.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Manchu wrote:I bet some gay people would even feel guilty if they started to be attracted to people of the opposite gender.

I run into this all the time. The world of gay politics is no different than any other group with a sense of exclusivity. I have to bat for both sides a large portion of the time, and even get a fair amount of hate for going both ways because "I'm just being greedy." People can be ridiculous. The gayest people I know have been with the opposite side at least once, many of them having a kid or two also.

And this is why people can give either the conservative straight -or- gay community the middle finger... your life is for yourself to decide..
That bisexuality doesn't equal promiscuity has been proven ages ago. As I have stated in a comment before, my boyfriend is bi and he's the most loyal partner I could wish for <3

Manchu wrote:I think people are attracted to people. That means more than what parts you have. Social conventions determine what attractions people act on and in what ways they act on them.

I think people's preferred gender is biologically determined, but what qualities they find attractive about that gender is socially determined. For example I'm sexually attracted to women, but the only women I

find sexually attractive are one's with large inviting eyes, slim hourglass figure, bee-stung lips, small nose and big baps (a female body image that the 50's popularized).

Cheesecat wrote:

Manchu wrote:I think people are attracted to people. That means more than what parts you have. Social conventions determine what attractions people act on and in what ways they act on them.

I think people's preferred gender is biologically determined, but what qualities they find attractive about that gender is socially determined. For example I'm sexually attracted to women, but the only women I

find sexually attractive are one's with large inviting eyes, slim hourglass figure, bee-stung lips, small nose and big baps (a female body image that the 50's popularized).

That's what you find -most- attractive. I bet you would like other women too, if it really came down to things like "personality first"

Amphsix wrote:
That's what you find -most- attractive. I bet you would like other women too, if it really came down to things like "personality first"

I heard someone say "I can't have sex with your personality" at some point and I believe it. I will say that there are probably many people he'd click with who don't fit those standards, but it's not all personality at work there either.

Even though (or perhaps because of) I was raised in a very religious, very conservative family, I have always been fascinated by human sexuality. Like many young teenage boys who listed to new wave (yes I am old, most of my early favorite musicians were very gay - Bronski Beat, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, etc.) and since I had a fascination with art and poetry, I questioned if maybe I was a latent homosexual.

Turns out the answer was no, I was never really physically attracted to men but I was attracted to art. Go Figure

Living in Hollywood, I have and have had many gay friends (when you live in Hollywood you either have gay friends or friends who lie to you) and their sexuality never bothered me unless they hit on me and then I felt very uncomfortable.

I don't know what kind of vibe I give off, but I love dancing and when I went to mixed clubs (for alternative music) I got hit on by gay men at least 50% of the time (much to the amusement of many of my friends) even after I got fat. Weird.

Anyway, I think the argument about nature vs. nurture is very interesting. IMHO I think all people have genetic predispositions to certain emotional/behavoir traits that are outside the normal. So some people are predisposed to being attracted to the same sex, some people are predisposed to being violent. Some people are predisposed to cheating. Some people are predisposed to being lazy (guilty here).

Where nurture comes in determines how people react to their genetic predisposition. Just because soeone is born with a sexual predisposition or a violent predisposition does not mean that they will choose to live that life style. Which explains why it seems as though there are a lot more homosexuals now than there were 50 years ago, more people are acting on their predisposition now that their nurture is more accepting of it. Does that make sense?

Oh I meant to add that I think the level of genetic predisposition varies from person to person. For some the predisposition is so strong that they ignore their nurture, for some the expectations of their culture are such that they never consider indulging in their natural urges.

Anyway sexuality is fascinating, I think people who choose an alternative lifestyle are choosing a more difficult life TBH. I guess that difficulty could also make it more rewarding?

A question for the homosexual crowd, do you find you are more attracted to others who look similar to yourself? Curious because most of my gay friends always seem to be with guys that could be their cousins or something . . .

Frazzled wrote:

Sex is a lot more than just orientation, anyway...

Jeez you really are a woman. Men just have an on/off switch.

*Tim-Taylor-Esque simian grunt*

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:
A question for the homosexual crowd, do you find you are more attracted to others who look similar to yourself? Curious because most of my gay friends always seem to be with guys that could be their cousins or something . . .

Absolutely. That particular folder is full of people that look like me. Most that I've interacted with look wildly different somehow, but if I could just pick an ideal I'd want another me. Preferably with opposite hair color so we'd have the best of both worlds. That would be really creepy actually... but only for everyone else.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Amphsix wrote:
That's what you find -most- attractive. I bet you would like other women too, if it really came down to things like "personality first"

I heard someone say "I can't have sex with your personality" at some point and I believe it. I will say that there are probably many people he'd click with who don't fit those standards, but it's not all personality at work there either.

People who I'm not sexually attracted to but click with there personality, usually become friends.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Amphsix wrote:
That's what you find -most- attractive. I bet you would like other women too, if it really came down to things like "personality first"

I heard someone say "I can't have sex with your personality" at some point and I believe it. I will say that there are probably many people he'd click with who don't fit those standards, but it's not all personality at work there either.

Of course it's not all personality. But you wouldn't fall in love with someone who fits the bill perfectly when it comes to looks, but is a total bitch.
I also think that if you fall in love with someone through having a strong basis of friendship first, you're more openminded to what kind of people you can like. For example, all my life I've felt most attracted to tanned men with dark, short hair and medium posture and lenght. But my current boyfriend is a fair skinned redhead who is also rather tall.

So what I mean to say is... you never know exactely what you like. The chances you'll find someone who fits perfeclty both phisically and mentally are -very- slim indeed.
Relationships are still based on personality first and foremost, the stronger you fit together mentally, the longer a relationship will last. That looks play a secondary but also important role is undenyable.. but someone's "taste" is usually a bit stretchy.

Amphsix wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Amphsix wrote:
That's what you find -most- attractive. I bet you would like other women too, if it really came down to things like "personality first"

I heard someone say "I can't have sex with your personality" at some point and I believe it. I will say that there are probably many people he'd click with who don't fit those standards, but it's not all personality at work there either.

Of course it's not all personality. But you wouldn't fall in love with someone who fits the bill perfectly when it comes to looks, but is a total bitch.
I also think that if you fall in love with someone through having a strong basis of friendship first, you're more openminded to what kind of people you can like. For example, all my life I've felt most attracted to tanned men with dark, short hair and medium posture and lenght. But my current boyfriend is a fair skinned redhead who is also rather tall.

So what I mean to say is... you never know exactely what you like. The chances you'll find someone who fits perfeclty both phisically and mentally are -very- slim indeed.
Relationships are still based on personality first and foremost, the stronger you fit together mentally, the longer a relationship will last. That looks play a secondary but also important role is undenyable.. but someone's "taste" is usually a bit stretchy.

Well, of course if I don't get along with the gal on a personal level then a relationship isn't even going to be possible. Also I don't care much for hair, skin or eye colour I more concerned about the body

shape and facial features than anything, but still personality is #1.

For the most part, sexuality is an unimportant factoid to my life right now, as I am focused on education and finding a job first.

As for how the two are related? Born as I am, but my family had plenty of influence on me as well, what with me having the luck of having a caring, accepting father figure rather than some religiosu nutjob.

I imagine if I had a religious nut as a father I'd be far more sexualized than I am now simply out of rebellion.

Melissia wrote:For the most part, sexuality is an unimportant factoid to my life right now, as I am focused on education and finding a job first.

Everyone wants to see the party girl in you.

I'm sure.

But I can't even stand beer, even the supposedly "good" beers that people on this forum recommend are just nasty pisswater. Or wine for that matter, which is slightly better tahn beer but I still can't stand its taste much.

As well as that... I'm a nerd. A total nerd, probably nerdier than hafl the people on this forum and that's saying something given that this is a wargaming forum.

Party girl just isn't me.

Melissia wrote:For the most part, sexuality is an unimportant factoid to my life right now, as I am focused on education and finding a job first.

I'm both unsurprised and thankful.

I've always found the term " perv" somewhat amusing , as with the exception of being a pedo, groping some animal or diving out of the bushes and forcing yourself on someone ( which has nothing to do with sex anyway)...I don't see very much as being " perverted"....just simple choices as to what does and doesn't " turn you on".