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What is your least favorite thing to have happened in/to all of 40k
Things can be to 40k: model/codex changes and wonky rules, or in 40k: bad fluff, etc

My least favorite is all the MLP ponyhammer crap. There was a line, and all the MLP stuff crossed it long, long ago

Whats yours?

The way it pays to have a variety of units.
There's something pleasing in seeing a field full of guardsmen/tactical marines/guardians.
but that's an entirely romantic notion.

Mat Ward

/firsth8er

Seriously though, my least favourite change since i've been playing was the latest CSM codex. It took a great, flavourful codex and basically removed all the flavour and replaced it with colourless, odourless, tasteless grey gunge.

Some of the things in it i'm not even sure were actually proof-read before it went to printing.

Second to that is probably the FAQs, which are only ever updated when a new edition comes out, a new codex comes out, or there are X many questions that need answering. Would it kill them to clarify one or two things, like the oft discussed Lash?

Avatar 720 wrote:Mat Ward

All the needs to be said.

The need for mech, thus needing melta. When the metagame forces you to field to specific items, or you're already at a disadvantage. This is assuming both opponents are of equal skill. I'm sure an amazingly skilled player can beat a new player who has a full army with only half the points.

The other thing, I'm quite disappointed by a lot of the new fluff and some of the OTT rules out there. Bloodtide still baffles me-yes, I read it. And re-read it. Horrible no matter how you look at it. Draigo-simply god awful and is the ultimate fan-spank. Ultramarines. Wolf-this, wolf-that. Flying Land Raiders. Blood-this, blood-that. Bro-fists over dead bugs. Tyranids with personality. The list goes on.

I remember before I started 40k, back in 2nd edition, I saw a WD battle report on a ziggurat battle and saw a bloodthirster smash EVERYTHING apart, only to be taken down by a space marine with a chainsword. I thought to myself "I want to see that kind of epic battle, I want to HAVE that kind of epic battle." But now I see people who pull absurd actions that are legit that make you think "what was the author smoking when he made this?!" It's still fun, but it doesn't hold a candle to what first enticed me to 40k.

Honestly, I have not been in the game long enough to really tell.

I think what is annoying is that GW says some things that make something seem epic, but it turns out to be not epic.

Which is why I want to get a 3K army, so I an participate in Apoc games. Hopefully this December I will be able to see my first one

The fifth edition Necrons.

Kill Points
2007 Chaos Codex
5E Defensive Weapons Rules.
40pt TH/SS terminators
2009 SW Codex
Psybolt ammo for vehicles in GK book (primarily because it's 5pts regardless if it's just a Storm Bolter or two Twin Linked BS5 Autocannons).
FA Predators+FNP Bubbles+Fast Razorbacks

So basically, Mat Ward and Allessio Cavatore.

Mat Ward
The huge requirment of transports and tanks in order to be at all competitive. I miss my Infantry blobs. Basically 5e has killed 40K for me.

Grey Knights taking all the bad aspects of Chaos, and being perfectly immune. That's just boring.

IE: Matt Ward

I can think of a few things however if I were to name just one core reason, it would be 5th edition. It terms of rules and releases, 5th edition was largely unenjoyable for me. Back to back Matt Ward IoM releases, poorly written rulebook and dishrag status WD are all issues that are unique to 5th edition.

That being said, this probably stems from me being largely spoiled having started out with 40k during third edition when White Dwarf had experimental rules and MEQ books/models didn’t dominate the release schedule.

Least favorite thing for me is the way they have not taken out the need for Close Combat.

I'm still very annoyed GW hasn'r given us a new plastic Chaos Dread! It's been almost 2 decades ffffffff

When Andy Chambers left

5th Edition

The loss ofour beloved "sexy" daemonettes

Vaktathi wrote:Kill Points
2007 Chaos Codex
5E Defensive Weapons Rules.
40pt TH/SS terminators
2009 SW Codex
Psybolt ammo for vehicles in GK book (primarily because it's 5pts regardless if it's just a Storm Bolter or two Twin Linked BS5 Autocannons).
FA Predators+FNP Bubbles+Fast Razorbacks

So basically, Mat Ward and Allessio Cavatore.

This , all of it .

To add , some droll missions (Snore Draw springs to mind) , 4+ cover everywhere and my current personal hate , GW's Codex release schedule . It's a tad frustrating going up against a 5th Codex with your early 4th one , where all game you seem to be frantically pulling rabbits out of hats and your opponent goes into easy mode . Dammit , I play Eldar , I'm supposed to be the cheesy bastich !

The increasing amount of the special character that are in the new codex and just how powerful their abilities are. It's almost gotten to the point that seeing generic HQs is a rarity.

lack of SM customization (like the options, though not the prices in 4e)... and cover saves?!

I can take or leave fluff and meta game silliness and all these new and special characters with their incredible skills and rules, the only thing I truly miss and lament is..

The gradual reduction in unit options, I miss the fun and brain games of equiping my units in huge varieties of wargear and options , now its more a case of copy paste with a few options, and yes i know its to help maintain play balance for competitive play, but I really dont give a rats rear end about that, I like cool options to model and play with, I retired from the high stakes world of competitive play many years ago, now its just for fun with buddies.

Well thats my soapbox rant complete.

I hate that GW never took the opportunity to move away from the old codex/wave release style to something more dynamic. Instead we get codex-creep and new rule editions that result in armies being side-lined for years until their next release with little if any new content or rebalancing.

Instead I'd love to see annual or twice-annual expansions that offer a re-balance to existing underwhelming units, add new units or upgrades to breath fresh air into older codexes, and summarise any new recent content from White Dwarf. I think GW are missing out on an opportunity that can not only benefit players by offering new content to all armies, but can increase sales via a regular expansion most players will want and getting players interested again in the armies they have left to collect dust on a shelf for years.

The imbalance in the armies. Seriously. Grey Knights? Wtf is with pan army force weapons and weapons that shoot 4 shots at str7 ap4 when standing still. Purifiers? That flame psychic ability is op to hell.

Ditching a great CSM codex for the the most bland codex in the game.

Write codexes that fit in the ruleset that exists.

like most of you I hate that tanks HAVE to be in an army to give it winning status and that most tanks cost a feth ton. I still need two more exorcists and four imolaters to make my sisters of battle stand a chance and off the top of my head thats about £150. now factor in I then need 20 more SoBs including sarge's and spec weapons and on top of that two more units of five with two flamers each :3

so yeah my point is it costs too much for a new army :( I remember the good old days when a rhino was about £15 and a battle force was £50 =_=


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oh and when 10 sisters with a storm bolter and flamer only cost £20 >_<

Everybody likes to use certain units and never use others. There is too little variety in armies. And too much marines. Way too much.

gaovinni wrote:Everybody likes to use certain units and never use others. There is too little variety in armies. And too much marines. Way too much.

Well to many marines is partly the players fault. Sure, GW shoves it down peoples throats, but said people don't always have to go with the army most closely matching their favorite FPS heroes.

The thing that wrecked 40k for me is the "assault what you shoot" rule. I have not enjoyed 40k since that rule was introduced in 4th Ed.

The loss of fluff, the fact that fluff doesn't mean anything when it comes to making up the rules, the fact that the new Codex's are all about competitive play and half the rules don't make sense, the fact that GW can't write Codex's anymore without their needing to be an FAQ 2-3 pages long to clarify the often absurd and stupid things that the new codex's let you do, Mech, Melta, Psybolt ammunition, JotWW...I think you get the picture.

5th Edition is the worst Edition in my opinion. I got into 40K during 3rd Edition and my favorite edition is 4th. The 3rd and 4th edition Codex's had so much fluff and the rules match the fluff. As I mentioned above, and in another thread, the fluff doesn't equal the rules anymore. Draigo can defeat and carve his name into a Demon-Mortarion's heart, but he's only a 275pt model that can barely defeat Swarmlord in close combat...and that's assuming Swarmlord doesn't have Tyrant Guard with him.

4+ Cover everywhere

Namica wrote:

gaovinni wrote:Everybody likes to use certain units and never use others. There is too little variety in armies. And too much marines. Way too much.

Well to many marines is partly the players fault. Sure, GW shoves it down peoples throats, but said people don't always have to go with the army most closely matching their favorite FPS heroes.

It helps that they're generally the cheapest armies to buy, *usually* amongst the easiest models to build, as well as being very easy to paint, easy to transport, and you can do just about anything with them, even move from codex to codex if you'd like.


There's every possible economic incentive ($$$, Time, Effort, Options, etc) to play SM's. I could buy my CSM's twice over for what my 2nd IG army cost, probably thrice over for the first (lots of FW models though ).

keezus wrote:The thing that wrecked 40k for me is the "assault what you shoot" rule. I have not enjoyed 40k since that rule was introduced in 4th Ed.

unfortunately I think you'll find yourself in the minority here, that was a much needed game balance change. With the basic equipment so many armies get now (e.g. universal krak grenades, BP/CCW, etc) it'd make them significantly more powerful than they were designed to be, while units that are decidedly mono-role are sorta putzed.

Vaktathi wrote:

keezus wrote:The thing that wrecked 40k for me is the "assault what you shoot" rule. I have not enjoyed 40k since that rule was introduced in 4th Ed.

unfortunately I think you'll find yourself in the minority here, that was a much needed game balance change. With the basic equipment so many armies get now (e.g. universal krak grenades, BP/CCW, etc) it'd make them significantly more powerful than they were designed to be, while units that are decidedly mono-role are sorta putzed.

IMHO, that is poor game design. Not only does it shaft mono-role armies... but it also shafts elite armies to a point by artificially limiting the enemies they can engage a round. The only reason I can see for them to implement this is that the middle of the road MEQs were suffering and needed the playing field tilted in their favor.

Other than Tyranids in general, which I dislike, I'm not going to complain about anything. It seems like everyone wants to groan and moan and complain about every change, and the fact is that I enjoy having a system with a little dynamic flow. I'm looking forward to Necrons with some individuality, and hope that 6th edition brings some nice changes with it, as well.