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**Ratius**

Taken from BoLS:

Overall Summary
GW is going to produce a set of contingent rules which includes at least 5 new factions with model support.
The contingents will first appear in a White Dwarf (perhaps one or two at a time); WD will become what it used to be, models may appear around the same time. A contingent book encapsulating the new contingents and rules will be further on down the line.

This will not effect the release schedule for other armies

There will be rules to add contingents to your normal lists, possible scheme to add contingents from existing armies.

GW may be using this as an opportunity to clear out old stock of Kislev and Dogs of War.

Rumored Combo Book with WE and Brettonia that Ghost thought might be referring to upcoming contingent rules

A related rumor indicates the contingent paradign may be getting worked into the 40k rules as well, with GW seeing this as an opportunity to expand the scope of their game world without generating detailed armybooks for all the new things they want to include.

Contingent Rules
Contingents are aligned with Destruction, Order, or neutral similar to ally rules, there are supposed to be 2 of each in the first 6 new armies to be released.

Only 2 special/universal characters will make it into the book.
The allies rule has 3 different ways of aligning your force with another theres neutral allies, friendly and unfriendly (unfriendly represents, people forcing them to fight or they don't like each other but its for the best) there will be rules to use say (its just an example) chaos in empire.

There are significant drawbacks to this they also will be balanced for about 750 points to use by themselves, any more they lack any heavy hitters. You can align 2 or all of them together to create a rag tag army or infernal alliance (that's the exact wording), however some really hate each other and so have some drawbacks

There's only 1 character who can be an over general ( removing bad effects) and he's estallian

Allied lists can be used stand alone, but there will be no lord level character
Rules for Pikes were mentions

Future Expansion
Popular contigents may get more units later on. Zoats, snakemen, and fimir are being handled by forgeworld , but ghost felt these may get their own contingent list later on as well.

Rumors on the Book
5 of the coningents will make it into book with the official allie rules and possibly some scenarios.

These 5 armies are:
Insectoids
Fishmen/ichthylids
Estalia
Araby
Other non-human

Contingent Lists
Here are the rumors relevant to specific contingents
Each contingent to have 3-4 units 1-2 characters

Fishmen/Ichthylids
Harry was shown concept art a few years back, which could have been a preview or just a continuation of the long standing studio fishmen Joke
There is a long standing joke in the studio about the next release being fishmen. However tidbits about undersea creates continue to build up in the books (lizardmen book, sea creature rules in BRB). And on models (dark elf corsairs/special character)

Insectoids
Fire Belly Shield motif on latest ogre kingdom model may be clue about insectizoid race. Insect race also mentioned in the Ogre book, possible some fluff reference to kuresh or ind somewhere as well
Hinted at not being in the forces of destruction

Pirate list
Rumored to be White Dwarf Only

Estalia
Have a character that removes negative effects of opposingly aligned allies
Pike units and pike plus crossbow units

Kislev
Cavalry Using Old Sculpts with New Models
Re-releasing old sculpts in fine cast
New Ice wizard model
New unit of arquebus

Non-human Contingent
something that will be in the book, not yet identified

Araby
Will have 2 Cavalry units, 2 infantry units, 1 monstrous infantry unit, and 1 hero
No Elephants
Camel janissaries/ long barreled gun powder cavalry
Araby Wizard with Harem Guard
Djinn (see araby dread fleet boat)
Elemental Type unit for four basic elements with fancy names (e.g. Fire Efreets), presumably the Djinn would fit in here.

Dogs of War/ Tilea
Ghosts said not at first, Harry heard a whisper about them, could have been something about wharfs of Gouda though. Ghost indicated Tilians will get a WD list but will not make it into the book.
Tileasn will get units for duelists, pikemen, crossbowmen, heavy cav, and a wizard with a new poison lore

Chaos Dwarves
No specific rumors other than Forgeworld being told to stop making new ones (Hasstings69, et al). This could potentially mean that they are being reserved for some sort of future GW development, or not, we'll see.

**Lux_Lucis**

Really feels like they've been rooting around in the basement and found all the old moulds...

I hope this is true, I'd quite like to see all of these 'forgotten' races brought to the fore again.

**filbert**

So it seems we have turned full circle from the 'old' method of publishing supplemental rules and lists in WD a la Chapter Approved, through to only publishing official codexes/army books, back to considering using WD again.

How long before GW print some of these supplemental rules or lists, flog a load of minis off the back of it and then quietly drop support for them? Lost and the Damned anyone? I seem to remember a few people getting burnt by that one.

TLDR: A good move in principle as it allows for expansion without the overhead of costly print runs and books, not such a good move if it is being used as a cheap way of flogging old stock and then forgetting about it.

**Sidstyler**

Yeah you're right, probably not a good idea to get too excited about this because GW could always say "Nevermind!" and pull support later.

**HarlequinZero**

Who says FW isn't going to finish filling out the Chaos Dwarf range??? They better! I posted this on their Facebook page last week:

@Forge World: In Tamurkhan there are a LOT more Chaos Dwarf army entries than there are models. Can we expect these to get models in the future?

Then FW came back with:

We are looking at our design priorities at the moment, Michael.

Which made me feel they were giving me a non-answer so I replied with:

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@Forge World: Well, if it helps your priorities at all I am committed to spending a large pile of coin on a Chaos Dwarf army *if* I see at least the hobgoblins and bull centaurs released. When those two iconic units come out I'll finally feel confident enough that you intend to finish what you started and invest in the army.

To which Forge World replied, without any sign of hesitation:

By design priorities we mean 'what Chaos Dwarf units/monsters/whatever we should design next' - apologies if this wasn't clear.
It may take us a while to design it all but we don't plan on leaving a half-finished range!

So they had best finish the range or they were out-and-out lying to me.

**His Master's Voice**

You'll get rules and miniatures. What more support do you need? It's not like we're being promised those will be tournament viable lists.

Also, that BolS post is just a rehash of old info we already discussed, though I guess a roundup never hurt anyone, relatively speaking.

**Ratius**

My bad, didnt realise it was old news.

**Kroothawk**

This is a summary of what we discuss in this FB contingent thread for some time: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/402558.page

**Anung Un Rama**

I can imagine what Snakemen would look like, but what are Zoats and Fimir?

**streamdragon**

Fimir are a cyclopean goblinoid race that live in swamps usually. They're bigger than orcs, but smaller than ogres.

Lexicanum has a small article.

Edit: Zoats were a slave race of the Tyranids in 40K, but I'm not sure I know their place in Fantasy at all.

**endtransmission**

Anung Un Rama wrote:I can imagine what Snakemen would look like, but what are Zoats and Fimir?

Not too dissimilar to the originals I'd imagine

Damn. Beaten to it. Zoats did appear in very early editions of Fantasy. Models can be seen here

**gorgon**

Kislev, woot!

Now if we can just get some Genestealer Cult stuff on the 40K side...

**Kirasu**

Im sure Kislev will be super popular due to how awesome cavalry is in 8th ed!

**Minsc**

Hey, I'm fine with just getting back Kossars. If they somehow manage to return Kislev cavalry and as an effective unit [insert wait for laughs to die down], all the better.

**Vampirate of Sartosa**

Zoats and Fimir (wizards) are back in fantasy in the Storm of Magic book; Fimir Warriors will be in the next WhF book (Magic Arcana).

Anyway, this all sounds good, although I really would prefer it if they released the human races through Forge World.

**notprop**

Both Zoats and Fimir appeared in WHFB 3rd Edition. The former as semi legendary creatures rarely seen with Wood Elves, Fimir as swamp dwellers.

The Fimir also appeared in a WHFRP article in WD, approximately #95 I think.

**Bloodwin**

This might be cool as an entry level part of the game so people can try out Fantasy without paying out for a 2k points army. I hope that they bring back zoats in 40k too, those models were cool. From my very fuzzy memory they seemed to be what the Tyranids and to some extent the modern Dark Eldar became as an alien bio mechanical unit.

**H.B.M.C.**

A contingents-style thing for 40K would be great. Kroot Mercs, Traitor Guard, non-Imperial Assassins, Harlis, Exodites, Ork Freebooterz, Red Corsairs, and so on. It'd be great.

**Kroothawk**

You should read the original contingent thread as well, as e.g. 75hastings69 hasn't heard anything about this contingent thing. And FW certainly isn't supporting this in 2012. And any rumour containing fishmen should be considered ... fishy

These rumours are solely based on ghost21's posts and may turn out as true as his detailed posts about the September Sororitas full Codex release and all its new plastic miniatures (ghost21: "I will run naked through Nottingham, if Sororitas don't get a full Codex in 2011"

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**Dice Monkey**

Wasn't this shot down a month ago?

**Kid_Kyoto**

Araby?

Ooo... GW I just can't quit you!

**Pumpkin**

All I want is for Richter Kreugar's Cursed Company to be brought back. .___. That was such an awesome idea, with some great models. Why'd they ever discontinue them?

**-Loki-**

Dice Monkey wrote:Wasn't this shot down a month ago?

Not really 'shot down', Harry just said it was strange he and hastings had never heard of this. While entirely possible that it's happening, it likely won't be soon if it is.

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Kislev would be the only thing I'd be interested in.

I'd be even more interested in them releasing army books instead of fiddling around with supplements, expansions and contingents.

**Kroothawk**

According to ghost21, Kislev will just get Finecast versions of the old models.

**Flashman**

Kroothawk wrote:According to ghost21, Kislev will just get Finecast versions of the old models.

This will be nice and affordable then (rolls eyes)

**Uriels_Flame**

Pumpkin wrote:All I want is for Richter Kreugar's Cursed Company to be brought back. .___. That was such an awesome idea, with some great models. Why'd they ever discontinue them?

+1 Here. That was an awesome design and execution.