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Is this frowned upon seriously? I'm planning on using a Necron Tomb Stalker as a C'tan, and it's on the flight sized base. This provides disadvantages and advantages, but mainly disadvantages. Usually people frown upon using forgeworld models, and damn this thing is beautiful, and is a good match stat-wise for the C'tan.

Bigger bases? For me, no. Now smaller bases i'd have an issue. Anyway, good luck with using the Tomb Stalker as a C'tan shard... Not seeing how you'll be able to do so outside casual games...

Probably going to take the shooty power, and the grenade power. Shouldn't be too fantastical, considering they have similar stat lines and such. And probably about the same point values too

Ok you need to use a base of equal to or larger as stated in the rules.

Sekai wrote: This provides disadvantages and advantages, but mainly disadvantages.

This is a lie in almost every situation because Humans are smart and players know how to maiximize advantages and mitigate disadvantages. pretending like there is no impact or exploiting the advantages because they are magically balanced out by possible disadvantages is dirty pool.

The correct situation is to play as if it is the correct base in all situations.

60mm Megaboss/Ghaz is the most abusive model in the game and I see him EVERYWHERE. Because disembarking from transports you measure 2" to the back of the base, and then assaulting you measure from the front of the base, you effectively gain the added base diameter to your assault. 40mm to 60mm can add 20mm to your disembark and assault which is almost a FULL inch. For models that assault S&P, it is like adding +1 to his S&P rolls. It is game impacting.

Now taking advantage and claiming somehwere somehow there might be a disadvantage that balances it out is utter crap. What? easier to hit with a pieplate scatter? How often is GHAZ on foot in the open being targeted by a pieplate? never if the ork player plays GHAZ correctly. We naturally mitigate the disadvantages while taking full advantage of the advantages by whitewashing it by saying 'it balances out' (it never does)

The correct way to handle it is to disembark Ghaz 20mm back so he gains no advantage for being on a 60mm base. Admitting he has an unfair advantage and mitigating it by playing as if it is a 40mm solves the problem and respects opponents and makes people more tolerant of oversized cinematic bases. Knowing exactly the advantages and then not taking advantage of them is the correct way to handle it.

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I can't hide the model nearly as well, more folks can get in base to base with it...? What would you see as the major advantages of putting it on such a base?

I'd say if you got (un ish) friends who wanna play and are fine with that it'll be fine one small issue I'd have was you could get into assult quicker but good luck getting agaist my tanks. Imperial guard rule

How could it get into assault quicker? It still has to move the same distance across the board, just because it has a bigger base doesn't mean that it can deploy any differently, or move any differently?

I'm just curious what you mean by that?

Sekai wrote:How could it get into assault quicker? It still has to move the same distance across the board, just because it has a bigger base doesn't mean that it can deploy any differently, or move any differently?

I'm just curious what you mean by that?

Larger bases gain distance when disembarking out of transports. This can extend assault distances. Models that ride around in transports gain a measurable distinct advantage by having oversized bases. I would accept more models in BtB if it meant I had farther assaults as well. Not to mention as the assaulter, you can easily mitigate the large base by surrounding it with your own unit of boyz.

It never measures out. Always play as if it is the correct base size, which means for smaller bases, blue tac it to the right base.

When you delpoy out of a truck you deploy with the rear of the base within 2" of the truck. When you make your assult move you move from the Front of the base. Thus giving you an additional 40mm of movement. 40mm translates to 1.57 inches. Thus making it easier to get the assult off.

Hope that clarifies for you.

cgage00 wrote:Ok you need to use a base of equal to or larger as stated in the rules.

That is not what is stated in the rules. What the rulebook says is that models need to be on the base they were supplied with. Varying from that is subject to opponent approval.

Ah, but in this case, nkelsch, I'm using a monsterous creature. I can't get into a transport or anything like that. Could cgage00 or Portugal Jones quote a page for where it says these things?

BRB page 3, IIRC.

Sekai wrote:Ah, but in this case, nkelsch, I'm using a monsterous creature. I can't get into a transport or anything like that. Could cgage00 or Portugal Jones quote a page for where it says these things?

Yeah, so identify all the possible impacts and play as if it is on the 60mm base.

You can always just set the large skimmer base on a 60mm for games to make sure no one has issues. Admiting it impacts and taking steps for it to not impact is always better than telling people it doesn't impact.

No no, the base I was talking about was the base that comes with Stormravens and such. It's the base that the model is supplied with, not sure if I can really manage to fit the big thing on anything smaller.


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Thank you for the consensus people.

I put my DE Archon on a 40mm base so I could fit his slave on as well, I dont think I have ever played someone who had a problem with it.

Well, it's up to you. I know a gy who puts himsCarnifexes ion 40mm bases. They are all climbing rocks and stuff. No problem.

He has them with Claws and ST, no dakka of any knid, and because of the position of them, he can literally not get into combat.

You could fit loads of bases C'tan come with inside the base the Tomb Stalker is on. They're on the same base as terminators.

Being on a larger base is more advantageous for blocking movement; which is a trick Necrons are particularly interested in.

I would frown at you while playing.

Unless you are playing in a tournament anyone that complains about this is taking the game way too seriously in the first place. Throw it on the bigger base and just ask before you play. If you're just upping the base size to be a dick, then obviously there is an issue. In this case you're already using a proxy so someone could call issue with that alone. Also, isn't the Tomb Stalker considerably larger than a Ctan making it more vulnerable to LOS etc?

I would say squeeze it on the smaller base. You could pose it rearing up or even remove a segment or two to make it fit better. The larger base is unacceptably large. It's almost the footprint of a Rhino.

Also if using the rules that are printed in the rulebook is taking the game too seriously than I guess I'm too serious.

I really just hate the C'tan models, and if I'm going to take a monsterous creature, I'm going to take a model I actually like. I might be able to fit it on a dreadnought base, we'll see when I get it.

Just never expect to be able to play it in a tourney tbh. Talking a Valk Flight Base and saying a 40mm Ctan is on it... You can do the same "trick" people do with Raiders, deploy sideways on the deployment line, turn free inches. Blocking movement, hard to assault around that huge base. Especially if you run more than 1 ... I mean hell Let me put Terminators on those bases, or T-Wolves

Except I'm not going to be playing it in tournaments, or being an donkey-cave like that. I'm going to be running up and assaulting things with it like it should be.


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Thanks for the opinions everyone.

I wouldn't have a problem with you using it because you like the way it looks better. I would suggest you get actual model and have it ready to sub in if a problem occurs.

Approaching your question as a Tyranid player, the answer is quite simple.

The 2 largest released Monstrous Creatures in the codex (the Trigon and the Mawloc), while admittedly being from the same kit, come with a flyer base. In doing so, GW has just signaled that flyer bases are the standard sized base for large Monstrous Creatures. All you need to do is remind anyone who disagrees with your choice of base size for the Tomb Stalker or C'tan that a Trigon does not come with a Carnifex-sized, it actually comes with a flyer base. In my books, any monstrous creature that comes with a C'Tan's stat lines and costs 185points base deserves the proper honour of being on a base larger than what's normally provided. Thus far, any time I've used my Harpy, Tervigon or flying Tyrant conversions, people are usually too busy gawking at the conversions to ever bring up the fact that they are on flyer bases.

As an earlier pointed out, if your models are not using transports, the larger base size does not give you a range advantage. On the contrary, it actually makes it harder for you to navigate a dense battlefield and makes it easier to have more models charge you. So I say just deploy on the large flyer base and start enjoying that model already

Dark_Gear wrote:Approaching your question as a Tyranid player, the answer is quite simple.

The 2 largest released Monstrous Creatures in the codex (the Trigon and the Mawloc), while admittedly being from the same kit, come with a flyer base. In doing so, GW as just signaled that flyer bases are the standard sized base for large Monstrous Creatures. All you need to do is remind anyone who disagrees with your choice of base size for the Tomb Stalker that a Trigon does not come with a Carnifex-sized, it actually comes with a flyer base. Thus far, any time I've used my Harpy, Tervigon or flying Tyrant conversions, people are usually too busy gawking at the conversions to ever bring up the fact that they are on flyer bases.

As an earlier pointed out, if your models are not using transports, the larger base size does not give you a range advantage. On the contrary, it actually makes it harder for you to navigate a dense battlefield and makes it easier to have more models charge you. So I say just deploy on the large flyer base and start enjoying that model already

It's also worth noting that the 2 TMC that have the Valk Base are 6wounded MC's.

True, but considering a C'Tan has 6 wounds at T7 and comes with a power that shakes the ground across the whole board, maybe a large flyer base isn't too far out of proportion.

Dark_Gear wrote:True, but considering a C'Tan has 6 wounds at T7 and comes with a power that shakes the ground across the whole board, maybe a large flyer base isn't too far out of proportion.

Maybe, except the C'tan doesnt come with a Flyer base lol. So you gott use the lil one it does come with.

The standard C'Tan model does, but what we're talking here is using the Tomb Stalker as a C'Tan proxie because it looks better and it's also a Monstrous Creature.

Honestly, I'd be fine with that model being used as a proxy seeing as how it would:

a) Look much better than the diminutive C'Tan models.
b) Be harder to hide and therefore easier to shoot with 12 Splinter Cannons and 23 Lances.

Dark_Gear wrote:The standard C'Tan model does, but what we're talking here is using the Tomb Stalker as a C'Tan proxie because it looks better and it's also a Monstrous Creature.

Honestly, I'd be fine with that model being used as a proxy seeing as how it would:

a) Look much better than the diminutive C'Tan models.
b) Be harder to hide and therefore easier to shoot with 12 Splinter Cannons and 23 Lances.

yes and as a Proxy it should be about the same height, width, and base.

A) I prefer the C'Tan model personally.
B) Possibly depending on terrain, IIRC the C'tan is a bit taller so medium hills, ruins, other misc terrain
C) You can screen off anything with that base size.