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The Monilith has an ability called the Portal of exile. sucks enemy units into the portal killing them. OK My question is it say that it's treated as a shooting attack. But no where does it say target a unit. So could I move up next to a unit in close combat and use the Portal of Exile?

Playing against the new necrons, that's how I played it. It sucked one of my kans that was in combat with his overlord., leaving the overlord safe.

Looking at the rules now, it definitely suggests that units in combat are unaffected via the shooting statement, though I'm unsure. I don't mind if we played it wrong, it was a fun game

If it is a shooting attack then you cannot target a unit engaged unless it says otherwise.

I doesn't say anything about targeting anyone or anything. It only say enemy models not units within d6 inches of the door.

Yes, but the portal of exile doesn't target anything. It just says any enemy model in range gets hoovered.

AFAIK there are only two ways to "shoot" a model locked in CC.
1. Eldar Vibro Cannon (which was FAQ'd to include models locked in CC).
2. Blast weapons that scattered into CC.

In both of these cases, however, the unit locked in CC was not targeted. In the Vibro cannon's case, you don't need to pick a target.

Yeah that's what we are saying you never TARGET a unit. So you should be allowed to do this. Specially since you can't hit your own units with it.

Just to point out, all other "weapons" that don't have a target (i.e. Blood Lance) do not affect units locked in CC. The only reason the Vibro Cannon does is because of the FAQ. It has nothing to do with affecting them because you don't need a target.

Well all it states is every enemy model in range. Would the door be treated as an aura effect?

It can effect models in close combat, same as Sweep Atttacks

Happyjew wrote:AFAIK there are only two ways to "shoot" a model locked in CC.
1. Eldar Vibro Cannon (which was FAQ'd to include models locked in CC).
2. Blast weapons that scattered into CC.

In both of these cases, however, the unit locked in CC was not targeted. In the Vibro cannon's case, you don't need to pick a target.

3. Necron Death Ray also targets the ground, not units, so can hit things in CC.
4. Inquisitor Karamazov can target into CC.

ok so it can it things in CC. but it just can't target them for the shot?

You dont target ANY unit with the Portal, it just affects any enemy unit within range

nosferatu1001 wrote:You dont target ANY unit with the Portal, it just affects any enemy unit within range

Just to correct, it affects enemy models, not units, and the enemy models must have LOS to the portal.

Which will open the entire can of worms about whether a walker with its back to the portal would have LOS to the portal!

DarknessEternal wrote:

Happyjew wrote:AFAIK there are only two ways to "shoot" a model locked in CC.
1. Eldar Vibro Cannon (which was FAQ'd to include models locked in CC).
2. Blast weapons that scattered into CC.

In both of these cases, however, the unit locked in CC was not targeted. In the Vibro cannon's case, you don't need to pick a target.

3. Necron Death Ray also targets the ground, not units, so can hit things in CC.
4. Inquisitor Karamazov can target into CC.

5. Tesla Destructor's Arc rule hits units in CC, but can also hit friendlies in the process.

Time - or any infantry model, as they cannot see behind them....

Are Strength, Initiative, Toughness, ect. Tests taken against unmodified Characteristics only? I know there are some particular abilities that say "take an X test against and unmodified X Characteristic", but what about in general?

No, see the rules for characterisitc tests on page 8, there is no requirement for unmodified in general

nosferatu1001 wrote:Time - or any infantry model, as they cannot see behind them....

True, so a good counter tactic is to just face away from the monolith on your own turn.
But of course for walkers this exposes your rear armour to the particle whip and 1 or 2 gauss flux arcs!

nosferatu1001 wrote:Time - or any infantry model, as they cannot see behind them....

So, would there be an "arc" of fire from the facing of the model's eyes? If I assault a Monolith, other than being in Base to Base contact, do I have to turn my models towards the target? I've got a tournament coming up next weekend, and I will probably be seeing a lot o' Necrons. Just want to know what the real rules are before a TO rules differently.

"The Portal of Exile is treated as a shooting attack" and is therefore done in the shooting phase. Rulebook p15, 'The Shooting Phase' -Disallowed shooting, "units that are locked in combat with the foe." However it hits ALL models just like the Death Ray hits ALL enemy units. The Tesla Destructor also states it hits unengaged units. The Blood Lance specifically says it misses them. The only problem is the Monolith will hoover up your friendlies as well.

On a side note I played this the other day, my Monolith DSed into a 60 man Crimson Fist horde, 13 survived the strength test, an the Particle Whip promptly scattered 11"

It's a shooting attack. The first line of the rule specifically says so. That means models locked in CC are not affected. All enemy models within D6" of the door and can see the door are targeted.

And the rule specifies that the victims must have LOS to the Monolith, as opposed to the Monolith having LOS to the victims. That means, fluff-wise, I think the effect is supposed to be just like the existentialist vacuums from the movie "Skyline". Did anyone see that?

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No? Oh.

Great movie but a little short. Moving swiftly on I think we should wait till the FAQ. I can see it working fluff wise but its OP in the game if you can hit an entire unit in combat.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Time - or any infantry model, as they cannot see behind them....

So, would there be an "arc" of fire from the facing of the model's eyes? If I assault a Monolith, other than being in Base to Base contact, do I have to turn my models towards the target? I've got a tournament coming up next weekend, and I will probably be seeing a lot o' Necrons. Just want to know what the real rules are before a TO rules differently.

That's one of the big grey areas in the current rules. Technically, infantry models would have an arc of sight defined by where their head is pointing, but it's not set as any specific arc in the rules, and it's not particularly easy to tell just how far around to the side a model would be able to see.

In most situations, that doesn't really matter. It only becomes a problem for things like Rage, or the Monolith.

If they ever get around to FAQing it, I would suspect that GW will just say to treat infantry as having a 360 degree arc of sight, since that's pretty much how most people play it anyway. For a tournament, I would strongly recommend asking the TO how they would rule on it before the event, so you're clear going in.

insaniak wrote:treat infantry as having a 360 degree arc of sight

What about bikes?

All non-vehicle models would be the same, as they all use the same LOS rules.

azazel the cat wrote:It's a shooting attack. The first line of the rule specifically says so. That means models locked in CC are not affected. All enemy models within D6" of the door and can see the door are targeted.

Models in CC can absolutely be affected by shooting attacks. Blasts that scatter onto the CC are the easiest example. Units in CC cannot be targeted by a shooting attack, but that's not the same thing as not being affected, and I don't think the Monolith has to declare a target for the door.

rigeld2 wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:It's a shooting attack. The first line of the rule specifically says so. That means models locked in CC are not affected. All enemy models within D6" of the door and can see the door are targeted.

Models in CC can absolutely be affected by shooting attacks. Blasts that scatter onto the CC are the easiest example. Units in CC cannot be targeted by a shooting attack, but that's not the same thing as not being affected, and I don't think the Monolith has to declare a target for the door.

An good point. I would then treat it as if it were a 180 degree D6" template with no target. I guess that could suck models out of CC and through the door.

Okay, I'm not fully convinced, but you've swayed me enough that I'd probably vote your way.

phantommaster wrote:"The Portal of Exile is treated as a shooting attack" and is therefore done in the shooting phase. Rulebook p15, 'The Shooting Phase' -Disallowed shooting, "units that are locked in combat with the foe." However it hits ALL models just like the Death Ray hits ALL enemy units. The Tesla Destructor also states it hits unengaged units. The Blood Lance specifically says it misses them. The only problem is the Monolith will hoover up your friendlies as well.

On a side note I played this the other day, my Monolith DSed into a 60 man Crimson Fist horde, 13 survived the strength test, an the Particle Whip promptly scattered 11"

Portal of Exile only effects enemy models. And I hope you weren't deep striking and firing both your Ordnance weapon and the Shooting attack of the Portal of exile. You can't make the shooting attack of the portal when you fire an ordnance weapon.

phantommaster wrote:
On a side note I played this the other day, my Monolith DSed into a 60 man Crimson Fist horde, 13 survived the strength test, an the Particle Whip promptly scattered 11"

It's not possible for 60 enemy models to be within 1"-6" of the portal.